I feel like people are being overly defensive about Rey. I understand there's a lot of sexists hating Rey as a character, but it becomes dangerous to inherently distrust any arguments against Rey.Kojiro wrote: ↑2018-01-27 12:15pmWhile you're at it, you can explain why I really like Rogue One or don't have any gripes about Jyn?ray245 wrote: ↑2018-01-27 11:58amWe have rules against ignoring evidence in a debate in this forum. If the mods think there's actually debating rules being broken, they will let us know. You don't get to pretend everyone else is somehow worse at debating than you just because they disagreed with you. You need to actually show when is a double-standard actually being made against Rey.
The issue with Rey is she's going to be the real founder of the new Jedi Order instead of Luke. She's the real hero that will save the galaxy by leading the new generation of Jedi kids. There are some who see this as tearing down Luke as a hero so that the new Disney, true hero will be the one that did what Luke failed to do.
Jyn didn't replace anyone as the hero. She's the hero of her own story, and hence why her death felt more meaningful. Jyn has a much stronger character arc, growing from someone who ran away from the fight to someone giving up her life for the cause.
Rey is created almost as a "new and better" version of Luke. And that's the major problem with Rey as the new protagonist in the Star Wars franchise. Regardless of the character's gender, making a character that is in many ways an improved version of the old hero is problematic. Rey's journey as a hero is nothing than an attempt to emulate Luke's. She's all about learning to be a Jedi and rebuild the new Jedi Order that was destroyed. Except this time, she will succeed where Luke has failed.
Having Luke's Jedi order be destroyed and having Rey be the one that rebuilt it creates a sense of Rey's superiority over the old cast. And that's the core problem for me with the sequels. The sequels feel like an attempt to sell the new heroes as the "real" heroes that can succeed in ways that the older generation can't. Luke, Han, and Leia aren't the real heroes because their success is shortlived. Their Republic and Jedi Order collapsed in a very short amount of time.
And if you ask people whether Rey is better as a Jedi than Luke was in ESB, I think it will be hard to say no to that. Rey is a better Jedi than Luke was in ANH, and Rey is a better Jedi than Luke was in ESB.