Kane Starkiller wrote: ↑2018-01-11 07:55am
I think I explained quite clearly that guarding against possible hyperspeed ramming is a matter of basic self preservation when in space once it is established that you can actually ram ships like that. Hux "incompetently" dismissing a turning ships would be like someone dismissing an ignited lightsaber. It's something that can instantly kill you. Is Hux incompetent or medically diagnosed idiot?
And is this supposed to be an excuse for the movie? Oh they intentionally
created a drooling moron therefore when he does something idiotic it's him not the film.
What they would destroy the main cruiser before it was even done doing a 180 turn? The rebels couldn't put the pedal to the metal for a few moments, increase the distance and then turn around and start smashing into the main First Order ship?
Ah yes, that's a reasonable assumption - when a ship turns around on you, of course
it must be about to commit suicide.
As to the cruiser should put "pedal to the metal" for a few moments - because for some reason you don't think it wasn't already travelling at its maximum acceleration?
Yes Rey turned the "force interrogation" back on Kylo after rattling him with a jab that he fears he will never be as cool as DARTH VADER. Which would be like Neo turning the mouth melting onto Smith after taunting him that he will never be as cool as T-1000. That's how fucking stupid that scene was. Now, obviously, Darth Vader is actually a character in the same saga but neither Rey or even Kylo have ever met him and he was dead for 30 years so the name dropping was pretty much as jarring and played as a cringey pop culture reference for the movie audience.
Kylo has never met him? Oh sure, he prays to him in his room and has his melted helmet as a relic, but sure, how stupid, that he's sensitive about his grandfather's legacy.Tell me, did you actually watch this movie?
Is Maz allowed to say something about the Force? Sure she is but it's like a fat guy in a gym who squats 30kg sharing wisdom on dieting and proper technique. It doesn't come across as real convincing. Obi Wan demonstrated his skills and then guided Luke until he deflected blaster bolts. At no point does Rey demonstrate ANY skill with the Force before she is captured.
What special force powers does Obi-Wan Kenobi needed to say "stretch out with your feelings"?
If the movie got into great pains to explain why Rey defeated Kylo Ren then the fight wouldn't have gone the distance. He would try to swing the lightsaber a few times and then would have lost his breath and fell down because of his injury or something to that effect. Instead they are prancing around in the snow smashing lightsabers at each other. If you tuned in the movie when Rey-Kylo lightsaber duel starts would you be able to guess he was injured? I sure as hell wouldn't.
What? Kylo was weakend in terms of his connection to the Force
, not his physidcal stamina. When a Force sensitive fights, these are not mere displays of physical skill. This is basic stuff that is in all the movies. From the very first.
The meaning of Snoke saying "it split you in two, you are unbalanced
, you lost to a girl who had never before held a lightsaber" should be readily apparent.
But Rey DIDN'T show any force powers. By all means show her using the force since the very first scene on Jakku and then have her explain that she could do that since she was a child and it always came naturally to her and she doesn't know why yadda yadda yadda.
Instead she doesn't know what the Force is, she never used the Force she has never seen a lightsaber, has never used a lightsaber, received no training and then starts straight up humiliating the man villain.
Do you also think Luke being a fantastic pilot has nothing to do with the Force?
The problem is these plot points start compounding on each other: she turns the force against Kylo, she knows about hyperdrive kinks on the Falcon that even Han doesn't know about
Why wouldn't she know about this? The Falcon was stolen from Han years prior and Unkar Plutt made modifications to it of which Han was not aware. You do know that Rey works for Unkar Plutt and displays obvious familiarity with the Falcon's history of ownership (though not its actual identity), right?
she is performing crazy stunts flying through Star Destroyer wreckage, she maneuvers the entire Millenium Falcon so precisely that Finn can shoot down a TIE fighter even with a jammed turret etc.
It's like she's got amazing reflexes. Or something that looks like it.
You can say that mathematically speaking this is no more unlikely than Luke hitting the Death Star exhaust port but narratively it just screams Mary Sue.
Only if you continually don't pay any attention to the script or how we know the Force works.
That was a good scene but it belonged in the previous movie. The equivalent of this would be Yoda teaching Luke about lumionous beings after Luke already went to Bespin and kicked Vaders ass there. What's the point?
Because defeating Kylo Ren was exhaustively justified by both TFA and TLJ and you've totally failed to appreciate what two films now have unambiguously explained.
- The script for TFA specifically says that Kylo Ren is "somehow WEAKENED" (in terms of the Force, not his physical stamina) by his act of killing Han.
- The movie makes this obvious when Kylo fails to stop Chewie's blaster bolt, even though he easily detected and caught Poe's bolt the moment it comes out of the barrel - with his back turned - at the beginning of the movie.
- Kylo is wounded (the script says "Kylo Ren is obviously hampered by his wound")
- We then have Snoke lambasting Kylo Ren when he brags about not hesitating to kill Han Solo, specifically saying that it cleft his spirit in two and left him unbalanced, causing him to lose to Rey.
NeoGoomba wrote: ↑2018-01-11 08:31am
It's been awhile since I saw TFA, but didn't even Finn land a hit or two on Kylo before Rey took up the fight?
A grazing hit, yeah. It was at that point that Kylo stopped toying with him and ended the fight.