NecronLord wrote: ↑
The worst thing is, that's how they work in roleplaying games, too. Jedi teaching is valuable but there's plenty of examples of it not being necessary to realize basic skills in the EU and other sources.
Well, to be fair to roleplaying games, you mechanically just buy/choose new force powers when you level up. It's expected from a roleplay perspective that you probably at least do something to earn them.
Like in D&D, wizards can learn spells from other wizards, or on level up; it's just kind of assumed that any spells you learn on level up you were either researching or learning about on your own.
I'd say in however many years between ANH and ESB, maybe Luke was practicing with the force and learned he could move small objects on his own; he also likely made some use of the lightsaber, but never fought another opponent who had one. (He basically just uses it as a convenient cutting tool) Later in RotJ his powers have matured fully so he can use the jedi mind trick too. Yoda trained Luke in the understanding of the nature of the force and its connection to everything, which enabled him to fully use his powers.
Rey instantly learning every force power kind of stands out. She can casually move tons of rocks without ever having the "size matters not" self doubt that Luke had, and she can order soldiers to just release her and drop their guns. Luke can make Bib Fortuna look kind of confused and repeat what he says (oh yeah, and he force chokes a couple gammorean guards).
Basically there was nothing for Luke to teach her, other than explaining to her what the force is (basically just rehashing the first lesson Obi taught him) that's about it, she was already intuitively stronger than he ever was. The screenwriter had nothing to say about the force. If they could come up with anything interesting or new I'm sure they would have put it in the movie.
Snoke knowing sith lightning also came out of nowhere. We've only ever seen the emperor or his apprentices use that ability, but I guess any old schmuck can use it now if he's evil enough. I guess the Sith's thousands of years of secrecy and tradition through the rule of 2 was pointless. Any random can just come up with all the sith techniques on his own.
I guess force stasis is Snoke's technique, but why give him lightning too?