Alyrium Denryle wrote: ↑
So... in the all-non-combat screen time she had prior to that, she had no need to move things with her mind, therefore it is out of character when she does?
It's fine to have trained her, but show us
that she's been trained with some subtle use before going full-superhuman.
Luke got practically zero training in using the force between ANH and TESB, beyond IIRC picking up Obi Wan's journal. And there he is, using the force to move his lightsaber in the Wampa cave, despite what turns out to be massive conceptual problems and internally-generated limits. He didn't grow up with Jedi as legendary figures the way Rey did. He bound up what the force could do in his own expectations for how the world worked and was limited thereby. Leia, by the time she knows she has that power, has no such problems and she's had thirty years.
That's a much more minor feat IMO. Obi-wan and Vader (known force-users in ANH & TESB) do similar-scale force tricks, and we know Obi-wan was
training Luke prior to his fall. We see
it. So his learning to force-grab isn't such a leap as Leia's going from zero
force use to able to survive vacuum, like no Jedi or Sith ever before
It's entirely a scale problem for me. If they showed her force grabbing something or any other
force trick we'd seen before and she'd be established as having trained as a Jedi and it'd be fine.
Alyrium Denryle wrote: ↑
They probably can't do a microjump that small. The First Order fleet isn't actually that large potentially, and is likely engaging in mop up actions against a decapitated new republic. They are, afterall, an imperial rump state. Why can't a mon cal cruiser outrun star destroyers?
But later, the rebels have no trouble
micro-jumping right through
the FO ships. If an act of plot is needed to save the day, at least it shouldn't be obvious that that should have happened ealier or could have been attempted by the other party. Same effect could have been her just regular ramming
the FO fleet, and it wouldn't have left us all head-scratching. Could have also had the FO arrive between
the rebels and their intended destination.
That wasn't a microjump. She just jumped, and during the run-up hit the FO flagship at a significant fraction of C with a ship the size of a small town.
As far as I know, we have zero evidence of microjumps in the revised cannon.
I'm... not so sure. I immediately interpreted that as a jump into
the FO flagship (as we are shown, jumping through shields is possible for other ships in TFA and TLJ), not just the spool-up to it. Otherwise what good are shields?
It still stands, why didn't the smaller ships do the same thing, and why don't other ships try this trick in times of desperation? Shoot, why didn't the FO throw one of their many
ships into the remnant of the fleeing resistance if this is a thing that ships can do?
Alyrium Denryle wrote: ↑
What are you, some kind of toxic monarchist? Why cant some rando be strong in the force?
I'm fine with Rey being strong in the force, but annoyed that she is apparently better
in the use of the force than many of the OT/PT characters were ever shown to be. And that she's got essentially no training.
If she's a freakishly powerful force user, fine, but at least show her struggling to maintain control of power she doesn't understand or something
to make her seem less plot-armored. She just gets it and uses it like nothing, when she started out barely scraping by on a backwater nothing planet.
The Force isn't dark sorcery. It partially guides one's actions. Like that kid we see at the end, she's likely been using the force without knowing she's doing it for her entire life. She then eases in, gets *some* training with Luke (which we don't see all of) as well as some practice and oh look, she can move shit with her mind and doesn't seem to have the hangups about size and number that Luke did.
It's a scale disconnect for me; as I said before - and probably a theme throughout the new series as specified by the directors wanting everything bigger and superhero-y. I don't need things bigger
and more superhero-y
. Rey doesn't need to lift more boulders than even Yoda to be a hero as cool - in fact, it clearly cheapens her as so many other posters feel she's a Mary Sue. She could do something more subtle - more the way the force works in the OT and
PT (bigger stuff sure, but not beyond belief bigger when there are Jedi everywhere
) - and be cool in her own way.
Alyrium Denryle wrote: ↑
Fighters probably had to pull back because without the capital ships being in effective range, they'd be unsupported against a mon cal and several frigates with formidable anti-fighter armament, and only capable of doing superficial damage.
Eternal_Freedom wrote: ↑
Kylo and Co's attack on the Raddus? Did not do significant damage. Two or four missiles hit the bridge and solely managed to blow in the windows and wreck the room. It wasn't even immediately fatal to someone barely twenty feet from the point of impact!
That does not, in any stretch of the imagination, constitute doing "serious damage" to the ship! ...
So, lucky hits that in the bridge case were only serious because of who happened to be there. No serious impairment of the ship's fighting ability, and there is a backup bridge available as well.
I'm really not buying the whole "capital ships are useless against fighters" narrative here.
What I don't get is why they pulled back when they were having success, had suffered no losses, and could/should have launched additional fighters we know they have
because we see them attack the rebels later on
. If the FO motherships can't micro-jump to catch them, call in reinforcements, or do damage from the range they are at; why would they care about a few fighters
when their ultimate goal is exterminating the fleeing target that only their fighters can catch? I'd understand calling just Kylo
back, but the rest of the scene doesn't make much sense. Especially
considering the rebels only had, what, 400 people total remaining? The FO must have had that many fighters available, we see dozens just exploding in hangers.
What do you expect? An "as you know..." exposition dump about tactics that everyone in the room understands?
No, I expect a better thought out chase scene than the "uh oh, almost out of fuel and they found us! Well, better use our other
engines that are also
low on fuel (but a different kind, so we'll still be able to jump if we have to
) to just barely
stay out of range for a limited amount of time!". Let them jump, then jump again to loose the fighters; don't mention how
low the fuel is and don't just hand the resistance the answer to how the FO is finding them so quickly.
when the way the FO is finding them is really game-changing - how will the MF hide & escape now? If every ship
in the FO fleet has hyperspace tracking, the MF can't hide once the FO knows to look for it.
And while we're fixing world building problems, give the resistance a real
fleet and if the goal of the story is for them to get whittled down to ~30 people, whittle them down over the drawn-out chase and find; building the FO forces up with reinforcements while the chase goes on. That'd help with the "wait, what happened to the New Republic, exactly?" question. Maybe dreadnoughts could have been shown leveling
more NR planets on the way, and Finn & co could be dropped off in a less-jarring manner.