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Post by Rhadamantus » 2017-11-13 03:11pm

This will be a long, rambling post.
As a baseline, around the time of the Trade Federation Occupation of Naboo, they are about 10,000 star destroyer masses worth of ships under the central republic in Coruscant. Roughly half of them are core reserve, to protect against the great powers. Sector defense is sparse, light, and mostly provided by local powers. A much smaller fleet than the Imperial one at the time of Endor, but not the minimalism of much of the EU.
Great powers and corporations control, in sum, a quite substantial fleet. About 15,000 star destroyers worth of material are in sum under their control. Powers range from Kuat (3000), or Corellia (1000) down to minor local worlds. The trade federation has in total about 2000 star destroyers worth of material, and the other corporations and worlds 6000 (accounting for republic desertions).
Shipyard capacity rises rather rapidly during the war, to the extent that about 200,000 star destroyers worth of material are made during the span. By the time of Coruscant, confederate forces control about 50,000 star destroyers worth of material, and republic forces 135,000.
The imperial fleet divides and conquers the separatist remnants in the first years of the new order, but industrial production is slow to step down. By Endor, there are about 180,000 star destroyers worth of material in Imperial Livery, and 40,000 in local forces.

So, a fleet list at the time of Coruscant
Speculative: Heavier ship. 200 times the size of a star destroyer. A ship designed to kill Battleships.

Battleships: 19,400 ISD masses

Mandator-III: A Kuati ship, and the head of them all. About 60 times the size of a star Destroyer, and 80 times the firepower. Speed is fairly low, out of necessity. The ship is built as a gun platform and planet killer, not a fast ship. About 2800g. Kuati owned about 10 of them, and 10 were sold to other powers by Naboo. At the time of Coruscant, they’re the backbone of the main fleets, as the best and biggest battleship there is. There are about 70 of them. Anon 4.
Procurator: A new updated Legator type, more or less. 14 times the size of a star destroyer, 18 times the firepower. Fast, especially for a big ship. About 3200 g, and there should be about 400 of them all told.
Legator: A decent pocket battleship, albeit old. 12 times the size of a star destroyer, and closer to 15 times the firepower. Decent speed at 3000g. There are roughly 300 of them.
Praetor: The “We’re not buying all of our battleships from Kuat” class. 25 times the size of a star destroyer, and 35 times the firepower. About 2700g, but decent maneuverability. There are about 150 of them.
Admiral: The Navy groups it as a cruiser, but by old standards it’s well into battleship territory. About 15 times the size of a star destroyer, and close to 22 times the firepower. A new design, just starting to come into production. Speed is low at 2600 g, a factor of the ship being built much more for set pieces than other small ships. There are 150 or so. Anon-II cruiser.


Cruisers: 32,000 ISD masses
Urbanus: A destroyer leader, more or less. About 8 times the size of a star destroyer, and 7 times the firepower. Pretty fast, at about 3200g, and with a decent fighter complement. Not a ship built for mauling other ships. There are about 1000 of them, a lot for a newish ship.
Senator: Pursuit cruiser, and very fast. 3600 g in total, and loaded with fighters. It’s been around for a while, and there are a lot floating around. 10 times star destroyer size, 7 times the firepower. There are 1200 of them, a factor of age and usefulness. Anon-III cruiser.
Speculative: Some kind of heavy carrier (3 or 4 ISD size).
Allegiance: The murder boat. 4 times star destroyer size and 6.5 times the firepower. It could go toe to toe with a Senator and win possibly win out. Decent speed at 3000g, especially for it’s role. There are about 3000 of them.



Destroyers: 59,050 ISD masses
Tector: A ship built for mauling, and that job it performs to a tee. The same size as a star destroyer, but 1.5 times the firepower. Slower, at about 2900g, but the firepower makes it up. There have been about 8,000 of them made so far.
Venator: The republic navies attempt at stuffing a carrier and a destroyer inside one hull. Decent speed at 3000 g and firepower at 30% of a star destroyers, especially for a ship 35% the size. One of the mainstays of the republic fleet, there are about 40,000 of them.
Victory: A similar size to the Venator, but built for fighting. 2800g, 35% the firepower, and 30% the size of a star destroyer. Slightly fewer in numbers than the Venator, but there are still 35,000 of them.
Secutor: Big, at about 2.5 times the size of a star destroyer, and 2 times the firepower. At 3400g, the ship is pretty damn fast, a result that leads many to call it the little Senator. There are about 6,000 of them.
Procursator: A light destroyer, but a decent one for that role. About 40% of a star destroyers firepower at 35% the size, a better gunboat than the Victory in some respects. 3300g, which makes it quite fast. There are about 15,000 of them currently.
Retextor: The Venator’s bigger sister. 2800g, and 60% the firepower of a star destroyer on a hull 90% the size, but with a ridiculous amount of fighters. Pretty common at 7,000 ships.


Smaller ships to follow.
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Re: Thoughts on a Republic fleet list

Post by CetaMan » 2017-11-14 12:16am

Well, using the legends ship types you could probably fill some of the gaps.

Going for the wedge-shaped vessels, acclamatory + only we have:
Acclamators (I&II, as well as carrier versions of the I, paelleons more combat-orientated frigate seen in the comics, and presumably some other modifications)
Victories (Missile ship and Destroyer versions of the Vic-1, apparently also some Vic-II's by the end of the clone wars)
Venators (Our well-known cruiser/carriers, probably some variants)
Imperators (Imperial-1, gives the large number of ion cannons validity against CIS heavily-automated warships and post-war police duties)
Tectors (presumably more firepower/armor as an ISD-1, more ship-to-ship focussed)
Secutors (Massive carrier, something I can see as being able to handle a Lucrehulk with full hangars)

Mandator I, II's and III's we actually have hard numbers for from the EGTW, consider the treaty limitations and the handful make more sense
Procurator - Going to go with fractal's depiction, really the only thing we know is that they are old
Praetor is a KDY design, probably the same as a praetor-II but smaller continuing the trend
Got fractals depictions for the Anon designs also, but again we don't really know much.


One heavy ship to note would be the older Invincibles, if maintained its a decent amount of firepower on a presumably durable frame with lots of space for shield and power generation, not something to turn a nose at even if it is a cylinder.

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Re: Thoughts on a Republic fleet list

Post by Abacus » 2017-11-14 09:42am

Pretty sure I already did something like this...and as for the pre-Clone War era Navy of the Republic, it was highly cropped down. Local systems and corporations had greater space-going navies than did the Republic. The only reason why most organizations tipped-toe was because of the Republic's ability to set up onto a war-footing (which is did with the advent of the Separatist Crisis).

You're not going to be getting any legitimate figures of ships and their tonnage before the Clone Wars, sadly. Unless you have linked sources to show us that we're all missing somehow.
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Re: Thoughts on a Republic fleet list

Post by Rhadamantus » 2017-11-14 09:47am

Abacus wrote:
2017-11-14 09:42am
Pretty sure I already did something like this...and as for the pre-Clone War era Navy of the Republic, it was highly cropped down. Local systems and corporations had greater space-going navies than did the Republic. The only reason why most organizations tipped-toe was because of the Republic's ability to set up onto a war-footing (which is did with the advent of the Separatist Crisis).

You're not going to be getting any legitimate figures of ships and their tonnage before the Clone Wars, sadly. Unless you have linked sources to show us that we're all missing somehow.
This is for the late clone wars republic.
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Re: Thoughts on a Republic fleet list

Post by Abacus » 2017-11-14 12:46pm

Rhadamantus wrote:
2017-11-14 09:47am
This is for the late clone wars republic.
Care to pick a particular time or battle?
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Re: Thoughts on a Republic fleet list

Post by Abacus » 2017-11-14 01:38pm

There should be a fairly easy way to guesstimate the figures based on the Imperial Navy's OOB, which carried over various elements from the Republic Navy. The easiest way is to start with the lowest composition that we have references to, which in this case is to Imperial Naval Squadrons which were, in Republic terms and organization, full fleets.

According to the Imperial Navy OOB, 'Heavy Squadrons' were engaged in planetary systems that possessed known enemy presences, each containing two 'heavy attack lines'. A heavy attack line was composed of "four to eight medium or heavy cruisers, including a Victory-class Star Destroyer."

According to Republic Navy standards, an Imperial Naval Squadron was equivalent to a full Republic Fleet presence within an entire sector (with natural alterations judged upon the importance of said sector), but not including local security forces.

So we can extrapolate using median numbers: an average Republic fleet within a given sector would have been six medium or heavy cruisers (Acclamator-class) and one or two VicStar or Venator-class ships. Accounting for the number of sectors (as created after the Ruusan Reformation), of which there are 1,024, that would give you the following estimates:

6,144 Cruisers (Acclamator-class or equivalent)
1,000~2,048 Destroyers (Venator/VicStar)

This does not account for corvettes, frigates, or lighter vessels than the Acclamator that existed before, such as the Dreadnought-class or Carrack-classes.

After the start of the Clone Wars you have the sudden Grand Army of the Republic, which includes a massive influx of ships and material that had been quietly produced for a decade before the start of that conflict, being created.

The GAR created Sector Armies, of which there were twenty, overlapping this older system. Each Sector Army was composed of four corps; each corp was paired with four Navy assault lines, containing two Acclamator-class ships and two frigates. That gives you eight Acclamators per corps, and 32 per Sector army, giving you 640. That accounts for GAR Sector Army support.

Then you have the various Fleets that were created, such as the Coruscant Defense Fleet, the 5th Fleet, the Open Circle Fleet, etc.

By the time of the Battle of Coruscant, you've got at least a thousand Venator-class vessels participating in that battle; comprised of elements from the Coruscant Defense Fleet to the Open Circle Fleet under Jedi Generals Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker.

These calculations do not take into account, nor can they, the numerous local system defense fleets that various star systems maintained -- such as Kuat, Corellia, Chandrilla, Anaxes, Carida, etc.

Ultimately, it's like chasing a pipe dream. No official source has given us ultimate numbers, not even the Essential Guide to Warfare, which I used for all of the above.
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Re: Thoughts on a Republic fleet list

Post by Rhadamantus » 2017-11-14 03:44pm

Abacus wrote:
2017-11-14 12:46pm
Rhadamantus wrote:
2017-11-14 09:47am
This is for the late clone wars republic.
Care to pick a particular time or battle?
This is my guesses on republic fleet strength and composition just before the battle of Coruscant.
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Re: Thoughts on a Republic fleet list

Post by Rhadamantus » 2017-11-14 04:10pm

Abacus wrote:
2017-11-14 01:38pm
There should be a fairly easy way to guesstimate the figures based on the Imperial Navy's OOB, which carried over various elements from the Republic Navy. The easiest way is to start with the lowest composition that we have references to, which in this case is to Imperial Naval Squadrons which were, in Republic terms and organization, full fleets.

According to the Imperial Navy OOB, 'Heavy Squadrons' were engaged in planetary systems that possessed known enemy presences, each containing two 'heavy attack lines'. A heavy attack line was composed of "four to eight medium or heavy cruisers, including a Victory-class Star Destroyer."

According to Republic Navy standards, an Imperial Naval Squadron was equivalent to a full Republic Fleet presence within an entire sector (with natural alterations judged upon the importance of said sector), but not including local security forces.

So we can extrapolate using median numbers: an average Republic fleet within a given sector would have been six medium or heavy cruisers (Acclamator-class) and one or two VicStar or Venator-class ships. Accounting for the number of sectors (as created after the Ruusan Reformation), of which there are 1,024, that would give you the following estimates:

6,144 Cruisers (Acclamator-class or equivalent)
1,000~2,048 Destroyers (Venator/VicStar)

This does not account for corvettes, frigates, or lighter vessels than the Acclamator that existed before, such as the Dreadnought-class or Carrack-classes.

After the start of the Clone Wars you have the sudden Grand Army of the Republic, which includes a massive influx of ships and material that had been quietly produced for a decade before the start of that conflict, being created.

The GAR created Sector Armies, of which there were twenty, overlapping this older system. Each Sector Army was composed of four corps; each corp was paired with four Navy assault lines, containing two Acclamator-class ships and two frigates. That gives you eight Acclamators per corps, and 32 per Sector army, giving you 640. That accounts for GAR Sector Army support.

Then you have the various Fleets that were created, such as the Coruscant Defense Fleet, the 5th Fleet, the Open Circle Fleet, etc.

By the time of the Battle of Coruscant, you've got at least a thousand Venator-class vessels participating in that battle; comprised of elements from the Coruscant Defense Fleet to the Open Circle Fleet under Jedi Generals Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker.

These calculations do not take into account, nor can they, the numerous local system defense fleets that various star systems maintained -- such as Kuat, Corellia, Chandrilla, Anaxes, Carida, etc.

Ultimately, it's like chasing a pipe dream. No official source has given us ultimate numbers, not even the Essential Guide to Warfare, which I used for all of the above.
Before Naboo, or around there, from those figures, the total weight of the republic fleet measured maybe 1000 star destroyers worth of material. I’m inclined to about 2 or 3 times that size. By Endor, more than two orders of magnitude more. So there’s the trajectory, scale, and timing of that vast expansion to consider. To be sure, plenty of the expansion would come from the incorporation of local forces, but the empire is still far more militarized than the late republic.

To guess at numbers by 40 BBY, from my thoughts before.
Battleships (few, and mostly small, core reserves and heavies to intervene in great power fights)
Mandators: 2
Procurator: 6
Legator: 15
Praetor: 8
Admiral: 2
Total: 614 ISD masses

Cruisers
Urbanus: 30
Senator: 50
Total: 740

Destroyers
Venator: 500
Victory: 1200
Secutor: 70
Procursator: 300
Retextor: 100
Total: 905

about 2,300 star destroyer masses, all told, with the addition of various smaller ships. In comparison to the scale of the fleet by the end of the war, tiny. Still, a decent force, and a good core for the future fleet. In comparison to the imperial fleet, I am struck with the suspicion that the republic fleet was a lot more top heavy. The imperials try to have a ship in the sky of every backwater. The republic fleet, in contrast, seems most likely a reserve for intervening in conflicts between great powers. That's a situation where cruisers or battleships are much more useful than corvettes or frigates.
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Re: Thoughts on a Republic fleet list

Post by Abacus » 2017-11-16 10:05am

Dude, you're not going to be able to get hard numbers, like I said. There are zero sources of any clarity to provide any definitive numbers. Not to mention that the Legator is not a canon ship (it was created by Ansel). Also, what-the-hell is an "Urbanus Cruiser" or a "Senator Cruiser"? Retextor?

You're pulling names and numbers out of a hat.
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Post by PhoenixKnig » 2017-11-16 10:09am

Rhadamantus wrote:
2017-11-14 09:47am
Abacus wrote:
2017-11-14 09:42am
Pretty sure I already did something like this...and as for the pre-Clone War era Navy of the Republic, it was highly cropped down. Local systems and corporations had greater space-going navies than did the Republic. The only reason why most organizations tipped-toe was because of the Republic's ability to set up onto a war-footing (which is did with the advent of the Separatist Crisis).

You're not going to be getting any legitimate figures of ships and their tonnage before the Clone Wars, sadly. Unless you have linked sources to show us that we're all missing somehow.
This is for the late clone wars republic.
Can some post some links anyway
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Post by PhoenixKnig » 2017-11-16 10:16am

Abacus wrote:
2017-11-16 10:05am
Dude, you're not going to be able to get hard numbers, like I said. There are zero sources of any clarity to provide any definitive numbers. Not to mention that the Legator is not a canon ship (it was created by Ansel). Also, what-the-hell is an "Urbanus Cruiser" or a "Senator Cruiser"? Retextor?

You're pulling names and numbers out of a hat.
Urbanus I have heard of before; it was related to the SWTC
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Post by Rhadamantus » 2017-11-16 10:25am

Abacus wrote:
2017-11-16 10:05am
Dude, you're not going to be able to get hard numbers, like I said. There are zero sources of any clarity to provide any definitive numbers. Not to mention that the Legator is not a canon ship (it was created by Ansel). Also, what-the-hell is an "Urbanus Cruiser" or a "Senator Cruiser"? Retextor?

You're pulling names and numbers out of a hat.
I'm not claiming this is canon sources, this is my attempt to fill in the gaps.
Urbanus is Anon-I, Senator is Anon-III, Retextor is Anon Star destroyer 4.
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Post by PhoenixKnig » 2017-11-16 10:32am

I see what you're trying to do you trying to do something I try to do a little bit earlier
In which give names numbers and fill out more info the SWTC Destroyer section. Correct me if I'm wrong
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PhoenixKnig wrote:
2017-11-16 10:32am
I see what you're trying to do: you trying to do something I try to do a little bit earlier
In which give names numbers and fill out more info the SWTC Destroyer section. Correct me if I'm wrong
I did it again the reply tool mistaken for editing tool
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Post by PhoenixKnig » 2017-11-16 10:35am

Rhadamantus wrote:
2017-11-13 03:11pm
This x
Speculative: Heavier ship. 200 times the size of a star destroyer. A ship designed to kill Battleships.

Battleships: 19,400 ISD masses

Mandator-III: A Kuati ship, and the head of them all. About 60 times the size of a star Destroyer, and 80 times the firepower. Speed is fairly low, out of necessity. The ship is built as a gun platform and planet killer, not a fast ship. About 2800g. Kuati owned about 10 of them, and 10 were sold to other powers by Naboo. At the time of Coruscant, they’re the backbone of the main fleets, as the best and biggest battleship there is. There are about 70 of them. Anon 4.
Smaller ships to follow.
Hate to break it to you, Mandator-III (MSD-3) firmly in the Imperial era a bit early though but still deep in it.
MSD-2 might be a better factor
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Post by PhoenixKnig » 2017-11-26 07:16pm

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Post by Rhadamantus » 2017-11-26 07:38pm

I think so.
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Post by PhoenixKnig » 2017-11-26 08:18pm

Have you ever heard of Cutlass class or Gauntlet class
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Post by PhoenixKnig » 2017-12-02 05:16pm

Maybe you can put that post on the "something big" thread here
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Post by Rhadamantus » 2017-12-02 05:31pm

http://imgur.com/gallery/Hn6Eg
Some ideas on the anon Battleships
Anon-II is clearly similar to a Assertor, only seemingly smaller. Meanwhile, Anon-III appears to be a dwarf Executor.

So, here would be my guesses on sizes, firepower, and roles
Anon-II: Praefulgidor? (Old republic, probably 19 BBY, 12 total made) (They're big ships, and would likely see little use outside strategic formations like Azure Hammer)


11 km long, 210 ISD volume more or less, 250 times firepower, 2600g, 3000 fighters. This thing is big, and functionally speaking probably slow. A predecessor to the Assertor, and less useful generally.



Executor (Imperial, 2 BBY, 15 total)
17.5 km, 182 ISD volume, 118 times firepower, 3400g, 52,000 fighters. The only surprising one here should be fighter count. Still, I have reasons for disagreeing with the established wisdom by 300fold. The executor is a huge ship. Scaling from a star destroyer, at 180 ISD volume, it should have 13,000 fighters. From a Venator, 140,000. 52,000 seems about right for a ship that has a moderate but not overwhelming emphasis on carrier functions.



Assertor (Imperial, 1 ABY, 3 total)
15 km, 300 ISD volume, 405 times firepower, 2750g, 4000 fighters. Self explanatory. An updated Anon-II, bigger and better, probably very few made.

Anon-III/Bajulator (old republic, 68 BBY, 25 total)

12 km, 67 ISD volume, 38 times firepower, 3200g, 60,000 fighters. ECR calls this the Conducor, but I think Bajulator seems the obvious name. Massive, open bottomed, bigger than a Mandator-II with a fraction of the firepower, this thing is a true carrier, though it still has the guns to kill a Bellator. Fighter complement has to be huge, for that bay to make any sense. Small enough that it might be deployed to Regions, but it seems largely a ship without a mission. It's a battleship trying to imitate a light destroyer, and it doesn't work well.

Mandator-III (Imperial, 14 BBY, 110 total)
12 km long, 135 ISD volume, 178 times firepower, 3000g, 3,000 fighters. A ship in between the dreadnoughts and the battleships like the Praetor and Mandator-II, decent strategic niche, possibly fastish. Similar to the Praefulgidor and Assertor, only thinned out, sped up, a smaller ship for Regional rather than Oversector operations.

This fits better here.
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Re: Thoughts on a Republic fleet list

Post by Rhadamantus » 2017-12-03 12:19am

New Work on Frigate types and lower
Arrogant: New, fast, deadly. 1.2 KM, 36% the size and 45% the power of an ISD, one of the many light destroyers popping up. 3600g, good for a ship like this, though they’re notoriously maintenance heavy. There are about 8,000 of them.
Dreadnought: Old, ponderous, slow as hell. They’re about 8% of the size of an ISD and 10% of the firepower, though this is achieved at a 2500g acceleration. Useful, but being replaced by heavier, faster ships. There are about 100,000 of them.
Fulgor: Fast is the byword here, above all else. 4200g, a hull 7% of an ISDs size and 3% the firepower, a fast fleet outrider. There are about 15,000 of them.
Vindicator: The Medium Frigate for a while, and it still has it’s many uses. 6% of a star destroyers firepower on a hull about 6% the size, a medium compromise between the Fulgor and Dreadnought, 3100g. About 60,000 of them.
Meridian: The old version of the Acclamator, a 3500g medium frigate, 12% ISD firepower on a hull 15% the size, fast and heavy. Maybe 30,000 of them.
Ton-Falk: A pocket carrier, 5% the size of a star destroyer and about 1.5% the firepower, slow at 2800g, 40,000 of them. A Victory escort in many circumstances.
Kontos: 3700g, a medium frigate type, angular and fast, 2.5% the volume of a star destroyer and 2% the firepower, there are about 200,000 of them. Common in lighter forces.

Total mass: 27,000 ISD. The fleet starts to lighten out in the Frigate range significantly.

Also, Battleship and Dreadnought classes
Praefulgidor: 11 km long, 211 ISD volume, 247 times firepower, 2600g, 3000 fighters. 211 times the size of a star destroyer, and 250 times the firepower, a slow (2600g) monstrous beast. There are all of 3. Anon-II battleship.
Bajulator: An Aquila writ very large, 67 times the size of a star destroyer and outgunned by a Praetor. It can reach about 3200g. There are about 10 of them. Anon-III battleship.
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Re: Thoughts on a Republic fleet list

Post by PhoenixKnig » 2018-06-03 02:08pm

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Re: Thoughts on a Republic fleet list

Post by MKSheppard » 2018-06-03 03:59pm

Rhadamantus wrote:
2017-11-14 04:10pm
Before Naboo, or around there, from those figures, the total weight of the republic fleet measured maybe 1000 star destroyers worth of material.
Okay, So let's assume that when you mean "Star Destroyer", you mean ISD.

Per this old thread:
https://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=117422

which has some ship volumes:

ISD ================ 9.00e7 m^3 (from thread above)
19 km Executor ===== 19.3e9 m^3 (from thread above)

Plus some other ones I did now:

Corellian YT1300 == 3.95e3 m^3 (very crude guess)
Corellian CR90 ===== 2.30e5 m^3 (very crude guess)
Dreadnaught CL ===== 8.60e6 m^3 (reasonably accurate)

From googling around the internet it appears that warship density is calculated as "Outfit Density (lbs/cu ft):

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112 kg/m3 = Surface Warfare Combatants
64 kg/m3 = Amphibious Warfare Combatants
48 kg/m3 = Commercial Ships

The Millenium Falcon's density can range from:

75.95 kg/m3 = 747/777 weight of 300,000~ kg
32.28 kg/m3 = 707 weight of 127,500~ kg

I'm going with 54 kg/m3 for the Falcon as a nice compromise middle.

Using the above assumptions:

YT1300 (54 kg/m3): 0.213 kilotons
CR90 (54 kg/m3): 12.42 kilotons
Dreadnaught (112 kg/m3): 963.2 kilotons
Imperial SD (90 kg/m3): 8,100 kilotons
Executor SD (80 kg/m3): 1,544,000 kilotons

You'll note that I lowered density for the combatants, as the ISD has a very significant internal hangar space for 72 TIE Fighters PLUS landers for an entire legion of stormtroopers.

It's more of a hybrid carrier/amphibious/surface ship than a pure surface ship, and the Executors are more of a mobile "deep dock" task force ship than pure combatant as well.

So you postulate that just before the Clone Wars broke out; the Old Republic had a "navy" made up of about 1,000 ISD masses.

That comes out to 8,100,000 kilotons of tonnage.

If we use 8,000 kT as the top end -- Star Destroyers and so -- and assume that each level of tonnage is 4.5 times lighter than the previous level, we end up with the following masses:

8,000 kT: "Battleships"
1,800~ kT: "Cruisers"
400~ kT: "Destroyers"
90~ kT: "Frigates"
20~ kT: "Corvettes"

Assuming further that the tonnage is distributed as such:

Battleships @ 5% = 405,000 kT = 50 ships
Cruisers @ 35% = 2,835,000 kT = 1,575 ships
Destroyers @ 35% = 2,835,000 kT = 7,087 ships
Frigates @ 13% = 1,012,500 kT = 11,250 ships
Corvettes @ 13% = 1,012,500 kT = 50,625 ships

With the Ruusan Reformation's 1,024 sectors, divided by say... 64; this leaves the Old Republic with sixteen fleets; each having about:

3 Battleships
98 Cruisers
442 Destroyers
700 Frigates
3,164 Corvettes

But there are probably political elements at play -- the heavy "Star [INSERT NAME]" ships such as

Star Dreadnoughts (19 km or so)
Star Cruisers (5.4 km or so)
Star Destroyers (1.6 km or so)

Are "reserved" into special core fleets that don't move; because they're so staggeringly powerful -- basically the politics of the Old Republic don't allow for large numbers of mobile ships with the capability of slagging a world (BDZ) to be around.

It's quite possible that the vast majority of actual tonnage in OR hands is below 400 kT in size in a sort of "Republic Space Guard", similar to the "republic cruiser" that we saw at the beginning of TPM.

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Re: Thoughts on a Republic fleet list

Post by MKSheppard » 2018-06-03 04:16pm

As regards your "By Endor, more than two orders of magnitude more."

I played around some and got the following items:

1,000 ISD Masses Equivalent Old Republic Fleet Levels
100 times OR levels (2 orders of magnitude larger)
810,000,000 kilotons fleet mass

20% Star Destroyers 162,000,000.00 kT 20,250.00 Ships
25% Cruisers 202,500,000.00 kT 112,500.00 Ships
25% Destroyers 202,500,000.00 kT 506,250.00 Ships
15% Frigates 121,500,000.00 kT 1,350,000.00 Ships
15% Corvettes 121,500,000.00 kT 6,075,000.00 Ships
8,064,000.00 Ships TOTAL
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