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from seeing the pictures i've always figured Conqueror as more of a 'tank destroyer' type ship than a bombardment weapon. made to quickly kill (or at least overwhelm the shields of) hostile capital ships without a drawn out duel, but i've never see/read whatever comicbook or whatever it comes from

Marko Dash wrote: ↑2017-10-06 11:23pm from seeing the pictures i've always figured Conqueror as more of a 'tank destroyer' type ship than a bombardment weapon. made to quickly kill (or at least overwhelm the shields of) hostile capital ships without a drawn out duel, but i've never see/read whatever comicbook or whatever it comes from

It came from the Star Wars role-playing game

Perhaps someone could clarify something for me - given the size of some of the larger ships, and given the line from TESB that the Hoth shield could "withstand any bombardment", how do we reconcile that these extremely large ships don't have shields of similar strength? I realize it may be a case of the "no limits fallacy", and perhaps what they were really implying in TESB is that trying to take out the Hoth shield from orbit would take an overly long period of time to accomplish, but it still makes me wonder...

Hoth was most likely an issue of them not being able to take the shield down without annihalating Echo Base, which would've made recovering Luke alive a tad bit complicated. Also their bombardment options were sort of limited to the ships they brought the largest of which was Executor

Batman wrote: ↑2017-10-07 10:20pm Hoth was most likely an issue of them not being able to take the shield down without annihalating Echo Base, which would've made recovering Luke alive a tad bit complicated. Also their bombardment options were sort of limited to the ships they brought the largest of which was Executor

But why that particular phrasing? Why not say "we can't bring down the shield without obliterating the base"? Is it a bit of a retcon? Maybe planetary shields don't work on the same principles, and won't work on a ship for some reason?

Why bother pointing out something everybody involved knew? The point of the operation wasn't to take out Echo Base, it was to capture Luke.
And Hoth didn't HAVE a planetary shield because they, you know, cover the entire planet. Hoth had a 'theatre' shield which is why the Empire could land outside it and attack on the ground

Batman wrote: ↑2017-10-07 10:44pmThe point of the operation wasn't to take out Echo Base, it was to capture Luke.

Why would the rebels know that? The seemed pretty confident that the shield could protect the base from a fleet of star destroyers and necessitate a ground assault.

Planetary shield generators have to do one thing. Starships that are of any use have to do lots of things. Mass for mass the shield generator is probably dozens of times more effective st build a shield generator than a similar sized starship.

More hard sci-fi the shield gererator also base a planetary mass worth of heat sink, a ship has to either radiate everything or sink it inside its own mass.

We also never heard a single qualifier from anyone on either side of the battle supporting the assertion that the Imperial fleet could have penetrated the shield so long as they'd been willing to destroy the base.

Rieekan immediately ordered preparations for a ground assault after rerouting all power to the shield. Veers then reported to Vader that the shield could deflect any bombardment. I don't see much room for nuance there.

So maybe I was wrong about Death Squadron having the firepower to take down the shield only at the risk of annihilating Echo base. Doesn't change the fact that 'any' bombardment, as brought up by biostem, IS an extrapolation to infinity. Both Veers and Rieekan knew the imperial strength available and that it couldn't hack it. Why belabour the 'with available forces'?

My main point was to counter biostem's 'Why don't they install the super-invulnerable Hoth style shields on those bigass starships'

Like Patroklos said, planetary shields would have certain inherent advantages over their shipborne counterparts.

IIRC, and old Legends source stated that the power generator for Echo Base used to be the guts of the main power plant of a Star Battlecruiser, making it already potent, with all of that power available for the shield (and a single ion cannon) it is not surprising that it could withstand anything Death Squadron could throw at it.

So it looks like the First Order has newer models of AT-ATs and AT-STs.

Can we get the zoomed up pictures?

PhoenixKnig wrote: ↑2017-10-10 11:25am Can we get the zoomed up pictures?

Edit: Topps have an picture of something I might call 'AT-AT/fo' on trading cards

*looks more closely at the hanger scene* could the AT-AT/fo on top of dropships

new pics on the FO ships

wait is this considered dead now?

How about we let the movie get released before declaring this thread tits up? For my money, I'm on information black out until I see TLJ because I don't want some numbnuts to spoil any of the myriad revelations I've heard about.

ok I'm fine w/ that

Oh yeah, it be back after you seen it

This thread is spoiler free, right?

Rhadamantus wrote: ↑2017-12-20 11:36pm This thread is spoiler free, right?

No, read the thread title.

Rhadamantus wrote: ↑2017-12-20 11:36pm This thread is spoiler free, right?

Yes, there may be spoilers as the machines and ships are discussed, as sometimes what they are shown doing is important to what they are.