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Re: New Vehicles TLJ Official Info *Spoilers*

Post by Marko Dash » 2017-10-06 11:23pm

from seeing the pictures i've always figured Conqueror as more of a 'tank destroyer' type ship than a bombardment weapon. made to quickly kill (or at least overwhelm the shields of) hostile capital ships without a drawn out duel, but i've never see/read whatever comicbook or whatever it comes from
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Re: New Vehicles TLJ Official Info *Spoilers*

Post by PhoenixKnig » 2017-10-06 11:25pm

Marko Dash wrote:
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from seeing the pictures i've always figured Conqueror as more of a 'tank destroyer' type ship than a bombardment weapon. made to quickly kill (or at least overwhelm the shields of) hostile capital ships without a drawn out duel, but i've never see/read whatever comicbook or whatever it comes from
It came from the Star Wars role-playing game
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Re: New Vehicles TLJ Official Info *Spoilers*

Post by biostem » 2017-10-07 09:46pm

Perhaps someone could clarify something for me - given the size of some of the larger ships, and given the line from TESB that the Hoth shield could "withstand any bombardment", how do we reconcile that these extremely large ships don't have shields of similar strength? I realize it may be a case of the "no limits fallacy", and perhaps what they were really implying in TESB is that trying to take out the Hoth shield from orbit would take an overly long period of time to accomplish, but it still makes me wonder...

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Re: New Vehicles TLJ Official Info *Spoilers*

Post by Batman » 2017-10-07 10:20pm

Hoth was most likely an issue of them not being able to take the shield down without annihalating Echo Base, which would've made recovering Luke alive a tad bit complicated. Also their bombardment options were sort of limited to the ships they brought the largest of which was Executor
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Re: New Vehicles TLJ Official Info *Spoilers*

Post by biostem » 2017-10-07 10:25pm

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Hoth was most likely an issue of them not being able to take the shield down without annihalating Echo Base, which would've made recovering Luke alive a tad bit complicated. Also their bombardment options were sort of limited to the ships they brought the largest of which was Executor
But why that particular phrasing? Why not say "we can't bring down the shield without obliterating the base"? Is it a bit of a retcon? Maybe planetary shields don't work on the same principles, and won't work on a ship for some reason?

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Re: New Vehicles TLJ Official Info *Spoilers*

Post by Batman » 2017-10-07 10:44pm

Why bother pointing out something everybody involved knew? The point of the operation wasn't to take out Echo Base, it was to capture Luke.
And Hoth didn't HAVE a planetary shield because they, you know, cover the entire planet. Hoth had a 'theatre' shield which is why the Empire could land outside it and attack on the ground
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Re: New Vehicles TLJ Official Info *Spoilers*

Post by Galvatron » 2017-10-07 11:02pm

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The point of the operation wasn't to take out Echo Base, it was to capture Luke.
Why would the rebels know that? The seemed pretty confident that the shield could protect the base from a fleet of star destroyers and necessitate a ground assault.

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Re: New Vehicles TLJ Official Info *Spoilers*

Post by Patroklos » 2017-10-08 01:52am

Planetary shield generators have to do one thing. Starships that are of any use have to do lots of things. Mass for mass the shield generator is probably dozens of times more effective st build a shield generator than a similar sized starship.

More hard sci-fi the shield gererator also base a planetary mass worth of heat sink, a ship has to either radiate everything or sink it inside its own mass.

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Re: New Vehicles TLJ Official Info *Spoilers*

Post by Galvatron » 2017-10-08 03:26pm

We also never heard a single qualifier from anyone on either side of the battle supporting the assertion that the Imperial fleet could have penetrated the shield so long as they'd been willing to destroy the base.

Rieekan immediately ordered preparations for a ground assault after rerouting all power to the shield. Veers then reported to Vader that the shield could deflect any bombardment. I don't see much room for nuance there.

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Post by Batman » 2017-10-08 04:43pm

So maybe I was wrong about Death Squadron having the firepower to take down the shield only at the risk of annihilating Echo base. Doesn't change the fact that 'any' bombardment, as brought up by biostem, IS an extrapolation to infinity. Both Veers and Rieekan knew the imperial strength available and that it couldn't hack it. Why belabour the 'with available forces'?
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Post by Batman » 2017-10-08 04:47pm

My main point was to counter biostem's 'Why don't they install the super-invulnerable Hoth style shields on those bigass starships'
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Post by Galvatron » 2017-10-08 05:12pm

Like Patroklos said, planetary shields would have certain inherent advantages over their shipborne counterparts.

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Post by Eternal_Freedom » 2017-10-08 05:48pm

IIRC, and old Legends source stated that the power generator for Echo Base used to be the guts of the main power plant of a Star Battlecruiser, making it already potent, with all of that power available for the shield (and a single ion cannon) it is not surprising that it could withstand anything Death Squadron could throw at it.
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Re: New Vehicles TLJ Official Info *Spoilers*

Post by Admiral Drason » 2017-10-10 11:21am

So it looks like the First Order has newer models of AT-ATs and AT-STs.
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Post by PhoenixKnig » 2017-10-10 11:25am

Can we get the zoomed up pictures?
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Post by PhoenixKnig » 2017-10-10 09:15pm

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Can we get the zoomed up pictures?
Edit: Topps have an picture of something I might call 'AT-AT/fo' on trading cards
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Post by PhoenixKnig » 2017-10-13 12:13am

*looks more closely at the hanger scene* could the AT-AT/fo on top of dropships
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Post by PhoenixKnig » 2017-12-10 01:30pm

new pics on the FO ships
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Post by PhoenixKnig » 2017-12-10 01:30pm

wait is this considered dead now?
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Post by Galvatron » 2017-12-10 01:57pm

How about we let the movie get released before declaring this thread tits up? For my money, I'm on information black out until I see TLJ because I don't want some numbnuts to spoil any of the myriad revelations I've heard about.

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Post by PhoenixKnig » 2017-12-10 08:40pm

ok I'm fine w/ that
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Post by PhoenixKnig » 2017-12-18 07:24pm

Oh yeah, it be back after you seen it
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Post by Rhadamantus » 2017-12-20 11:36pm

This thread is spoiler free, right?
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Post by Mange » 2017-12-21 01:03am

Rhadamantus wrote:
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This thread is spoiler free, right?
No, read the thread title. :)

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Post by LadyTevar » 2017-12-21 01:04am

Rhadamantus wrote:
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This thread is spoiler free, right?
Yes, there may be spoilers as the machines and ships are discussed, as sometimes what they are shown doing is important to what they are.
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