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Re: New Vehicles TLJ Official Info *Spoilers*

Post by Galvatron » 2017-09-10 08:16pm

As Revan pointed out, from what we've witnessed so far, turbolasers hardly seem well-suited to BDZ levels of destruction though.

The Imperial carrier stationed over Ryloth, although armed with turbolasers, used TIE bombers to conduct punitive strikes in retaliation against the Free Ryloth Movement. Maybe this is also the tactic the Empire uses, on a much larger scale and with more powerful bombs, when they decide that the populace of an entire planet needs to be exterminated.

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Re: New Vehicles TLJ Official Info *Spoilers*

Post by Imperial528 » 2017-09-10 09:20pm

Galvatron wrote:
2017-09-10 08:16pm
As Revan pointed out, from what we've witnessed so far, turbolasers hardly seem well-suited to BDZ levels of destruction though.

The Imperial carrier stationed over Ryloth, although armed with turbolasers, used TIE bombers to conduct punitive strikes in retaliation against the Free Ryloth Movement. Maybe this is also the tactic the Empire uses, on a much larger scale and with more powerful bombs, when they decide that the populace of an entire planet needs to be exterminated.
Nitpick:

Given simple back-of-envelope scaling, that carrier looks to be about 300m wide and only 30-50m thick. From other angles I can't make out any reactor bulges.

Or, for that matter, weapon mounts.

So presuming it is even armed for proper ship-to-ship combat, it may not be able to properly bombard a planet at the scale an ISD (or proper warship) could.

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Post by Batman » 2017-09-10 10:51pm

Um-he never said it was?
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Post by Imperial528 » 2017-09-10 11:32pm

He specifically states that despite the carrier being armed with turbolasers, it used TIE bombers for bombardment. Presumably (from context) this is to back up the hypothesis that turbolasers may not be adequate for BDZ-level bombardments, hence reliance on bombers in this case. This is further induced from the mention of the possibility of using bombers equipped with higher grade bombs to achieve depopulation of a planet.

I am stating that this use of bombers is not an indication of the limitations of turbolaser firepower in general but rather of the limits of the vessel in question.

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Post by Batman » 2017-09-10 11:37pm

Aah. Okay.
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Post by Galvatron » 2017-09-11 02:19pm

Nitpick conceded. It doesn't really change my mind though.

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Post by PhoenixKnig » 2017-09-29 09:19pm

Khaat wrote:
2017-09-01 02:03pm
The line of barrel-nosed frigates or escorts or whatever are not premium warships, certainly not against something like this new mega-eggs-in-one-basket ship.
From the toys they are referring them as NR heavy bombers
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Post by The Romulan Republic » 2017-09-30 02:46am

"Bombers"? They're calling them bombers?

Gah. I mean, I like the ship designs well enough, and good lord do I want more starship battles in Star Wars instead of just fighter battles and super weapons with nothing in between, but they look a bit big to be bombers, and perform like warships, not bombers.

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Post by PhoenixKnig » 2017-09-30 02:51am

The Romulan Republic wrote:
2017-09-30 02:46am
"Bombers"? They're calling them bombers?

Gah. I mean, I like the ship designs well enough, and good lord do I want more starship battles in Star Wars instead of just fighter battles and super weapons with nothing in between, but they look a bit big to be bombers, and perform like warships, not bombers.

Idiot marketing people?
Yeah, I saw it as Hot Wheels toy labeled as "resistance heavy bombers" from Force Friday 2 working event
Yeah I hate that it looks like it could be a frigate
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Post by The Romulan Republic » 2017-09-30 02:58am

Corvette or very light frigate. They do look small, but they look like light escort-type star ships, not bombers.
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Post by PhoenixKnig » 2017-09-30 03:04am

The Romulan Republic wrote:
2017-09-30 02:58am
Corvette or very light frigate. They do look small, but they look like light escort-type star ships, not bombers.
When I first saw them in the trailer yeah I thought it was a light frigate maybe at the very least and escort
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Post by eMeM » 2017-09-30 01:34pm

They are called B/SF-17 (very creative name), and they do seem to be rather small, between 20 and 40 meters in length, IMO closer to 20.

Some measurements and a heated discussion here:
https://community.fantasyflightgames.co ... 70-x-wing/

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Post by PhoenixKnig » 2017-10-01 04:32am

What does B/SF-17 stand for
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Post by Eternal_Freedom » 2017-10-01 05:35am

Presumably Bomber/Strike Fighter or something like that.
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Post by The Romulan Republic » 2017-10-01 04:57pm

Hmm, that is pretty small, though still a bit big for a fighter/bomber.

I'd probably go with "gunship" or corvette, personally.
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Post by eMeM » 2017-10-02 02:37am

It's less of a fighter-bomber, and more of a long range heavy bomber, think... well, B-17, which even has similar size, if the lower end estimates are correct.

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Post by PhoenixKnig » 2017-10-02 12:10pm

Now I think about it, it might be a little more like a B-29 than B-17
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Post by Eternal_Freedom » 2017-10-02 12:18pm

That's pretty much what I was thinking, the SW equivalent of a strategic bomber.
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Post by Patroklos » 2017-10-02 01:04pm

It doesn't look like they are doing anything strategic. I am thinking more like Marauder.

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Post by PhoenixKnig » 2017-10-02 03:09pm

This what I thought of when I saw the description of the Supremacy class

https://cdnb1.artstation.com/p/assets/i ... 1473427636
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Post by Adam Reynolds » 2017-10-02 09:45pm

PhoenixKnig wrote:
2017-10-02 03:09pm
This what I thought of when I saw the description of the Supremacy class

https://cdnb1.artstation.com/p/assets/i ... 1473427636
Based on my extremely rough scaling estimate, that ship is actually only ~100 km long, giving it a fraction of the firepower of the Death Star. For something that is wankery, I am actually surprised that it is not bigger, starting with the inner ball as a normal Death Star and scaling up.

It has nothing on the Ultra-class Star Destroyer Imperium at 260 km long.

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Post by fractalsponge1 » 2017-10-03 04:18pm

PhoenixKnig wrote:
2017-10-02 03:09pm
This what I thought of when I saw the description of the Supremacy class

https://cdnb1.artstation.com/p/assets/i ... 1473427636
That is a random unofficial concept art for an ILM contest, not the MEGA class. And the Mega looks a lot better than that concept.

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Post by PhoenixKnig » 2017-10-03 11:15pm

fractalsponge1 wrote:
2017-10-03 04:18pm
PhoenixKnig wrote:
2017-10-02 03:09pm
This what I thought of when I saw the description of the Supremacy class

https://cdnb1.artstation.com/p/assets/i ... 1473427636
That is a random unofficial concept art for an ILM contest, not the MEGA class. And the Mega looks a lot better than that concept.
yeah,but the similarities b/w them is no less quite interesting
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Post by PhoenixKnig » 2017-10-04 11:18pm

Iroscato wrote:
2017-09-04 07:26pm
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They couldn't have just called it Supremacy-Class? Mega-Class is something a six year old would proudly proclaim as his newest lego creation.

I actually like the shape of it though, but sweet Jesus...60km. There's just no reason for it to be that massive.
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SAAA wrote:
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As for Legends, I'm pretty sure the Eclipse and similar were said to crack planet cores (whatever the heck that means) or continents... in other terms they would resemble what the Death Star did to Jedha or Scarif, if not more.
What was the firepower of the Conqueror-class Star Destroyer's superlaser?
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Post by SAAA » 2017-10-05 04:03pm

PhoenixKnig wrote:
2017-10-04 11:18pm
SAAA wrote:
2017-09-04 04:06pm
As for Legends, I'm pretty sure the Eclipse and similar were said to crack planet cores (whatever the heck that means) or continents... in other terms they would resemble what the Death Star did to Jedha or Scarif, if not more.
What was the firepower of the Conqueror-class Star Destroyer's superlaser?
I don't know what exact canon figures were given, but firepower must be limited to reactor/capacitor power at that point, not so much the practical limit for a downscaled superlaser.

If you take ~1e25 W as power figure (old legend values hovered around that for ISD) and assume it can fire every 1-10 minutes that's 6e26 to 6e27 J, in other words a hundred petatons up to an exaton of TNT equivalent... let's just assume it's similar to Jedha blast again.

I've seen estimation far lower for Jedha but they don't take into account the immense energy required to fracture and move so much planetary crust like we see in the last moments of the shot: remember a magnitude 10 earthquake carries ~6GT energy yet you'd have an hard time seeing any effect on the surface looking from space, we see cracks kilometres wide in the top down view here...
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/QWFe-OkYSiE/maxresdefault.jpg

PS: after looking at legends wiki, I wasn't that far from it...
It was projected that the superlaser on the Conqueror, when properly installed, would give the Star Destroyer the ability to break apart a small moon, or crack a continent in half.

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