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I came across this order last night while perusing Reddit.

For those of you who aren't familiar with it, the order is this: Episodes IV, V, II, III, VI.

Have any of you tried it? If so, how does the story flow? If not, why? Do you like this order? Does it preserve the twist in ESB? I plan on doing it soon to determine if I like it or not but i wanted to ask here first.

I don't see how it wouldn't preserve the twist in ESB as you're still seeing ANH and ESB in the original order. The only tweak is then you watch AOTC and ROTS after ESB to see what happened with Anakin and the starts of the Empire before you watch ROTJ to see how the whole Vader/Luke thing pans out. Honestly I wouldn't think it'd change a whole lot unless you've never seen the prequels or even the original trilogy... it might help you appreciate the prequels in relation to the OT if you've already watched them the one time back in the day, I guess.

One needs to come up with a revised version of this order to determine where you fit Rogue One in (I presume TFA would just come after VI, as per the original).

Seeing Rogue One first, I expect, would very much affect your perceptions of IV, but I don't know if Vader would carry nearly as much weight in the film without the context of having seen at least the OT first.

I've done the Machete order, and it works well until you get back to ROTJ. It just falls down completely because the Jabba scenes drag on and the battles aren't as impressive after the massive CGI shows of the prequels. The throne room scenes are decent, but I think by that point I just wanted out.

The Romulan Republic wrote: ↑2017-08-24 01:58amSeeing Rogue One first, I expect, would very much affect your perceptions of IV, but I don't know if Vader would carry nearly as much weight in the film without the context of having seen at least the OT first.

Meh, fuck Rogue One. It adds nothing to the Skywalker story.

I'm of the view that while the big trilogy films should be about the Skywalker saga, the universe is big enough to support stand-alone stories that explore other aspects of it.

So we tried Machete order in the runup to EP7.

I came away disappointed, can't speak to the other SDNers in the marathon. I felt going to TPM/AOTC right from ESB was just lame, it's just out of place. Moving back to ROTJ was actually pretty good, clean battles are so much better than the ROTS opening battle, which is a total dumpster fire.

I heard that by adding II and III after V helps with the backstory re Anakin and makes the redemption in VI far more meaningful.

Given that you have almost certainly seen all of them already, I don't see the point. Especially given that it keeps the worst of the prequels as well. Jar Jar may be annoying, but he is still better than a series of terrible romance scenes that are supposed to be the emotional core of the story.

Adam Reynolds wrote: ↑2017-08-24 11:14am Given that you have almost certainly seen all of them already, I don't see the point. Especially given that it keeps the worst of the prequels as well. Jar Jar may be annoying, but he is still better than a series of terrible romance scenes that are supposed to be the emotional core of the story.

Meh. I like AOTC and ROTS. Don't care for some parts but overall worth watching imo.

My ex and I watched them on TV 4,5 then 6 right up to the point where Luke leaves Dagobah for the last time. Then we watched 1-3, followed by the rest of 6. It was like Godfather 2* with the long flashbacks of young Vito. She thought it was like going from a cowboy or a WW2 movie to The Wizard of Oz and then back again. It really does add to ROTJ, the weakest of the six movies.

*Francis Coppola did a "reverse" machete order where they took all the scenes from the three Godfather movies and rearranged them in chronological order, starting with Vito in Sicily. It shows up as The Godfather Saga every so often on HBO or Cinemax.

Gandalf wrote: ↑2017-08-24 02:03amMeh, fuck Rogue One. It adds nothing to the Skywalker story.

They've had 6 movies. Time to move on. I'm going to be really pissed if it turns out Rey is somehow related to the Skywalkers.

Especially given that this would actually be the more obvious reveal at this point. It would be more interesting if she went through the movie with the increasing belief that she really was Luke's daughter only to find out from Kylo Ren that she is not. She could even take up the name Rey Skywalker and decide to keep it regardless of who she really was.

The novel Bloodlines makes it rather unlikely that it was Luke, because she was already on Jakku before Ben Solo fell to the Dark Side.

fractalsponge1 wrote: ↑2017-08-27 06:39pm

Gandalf wrote: ↑2017-08-24 02:03amMeh, fuck Rogue One. It adds nothing to the Skywalker story.

They've had 6 movies. Time to move on. I'm going to be really pissed if it turns out Rey is somehow related to the Skywalkers.

Its been so heavily implied already that she's Luke's daughter that it would probably irritate me if she wasn't.

And they have the stand-alones for non-Skywalker stories. I don't mind the main trilogies following the Skywalkers.

fractalsponge1 wrote: ↑2017-08-27 06:39pm

Gandalf wrote: ↑2017-08-24 02:03amMeh, fuck Rogue One. It adds nothing to the Skywalker story.

They've had 6 movies. Time to move on. I'm going to be really pissed if it turns out Rey is somehow related to the Skywalkers.

Right, and Episodes 1-6 are the story of Anakin Skywalker.

Rogue One adds fuck all to that, so it may as well not be a part of the Machete order.

Gandalf wrote: ↑2017-08-28 10:36am

fractalsponge1 wrote: ↑2017-08-27 06:39pm

Gandalf wrote: ↑2017-08-24 02:03amMeh, fuck Rogue One. It adds nothing to the Skywalker story.

They've had 6 movies. Time to move on. I'm going to be really pissed if it turns out Rey is somehow related to the Skywalkers.

Right, and Episodes 1-6 are the story of Anakin Skywalker.

Rogue One adds fuck all to that, so it may as well not be a part of the Machete order.

Where did this idea that 1-6 are about Anakin come from?

I'm doing Machete order this weekend. I'll report back with my thoughts. Skipping Rogue One, however, because it's too damned sad.

JLTucker wrote: ↑2017-08-28 12:09pm

Gandalf wrote: ↑2017-08-28 10:36am

fractalsponge1 wrote: ↑2017-08-27 06:39pm

They've had 6 movies. Time to move on. I'm going to be really pissed if it turns out Rey is somehow related to the Skywalkers.

Right, and Episodes 1-6 are the story of Anakin Skywalker.

Rogue One adds fuck all to that, so it may as well not be a part of the Machete order.

Where did this idea that 1-6 are about Anakin come from?

Lucas, IIRC. Something along the lines of 'Star Wars is the story of Anakin Skywalker' or something like that.

So aside from "lol ep1 sux" what makes this any different from the Flashback Order?

IV, V, I, II, III, VI is the usual way some people have suggested bringing someone in who is completely new to Star Wars, rather than Chronological (so as to preserve the Luke-Vader twist), basically making the PT a flashback prior to Vader's ultimate redemption.

As for this order, I feel like it would jumble things up too much. Padme acts like old friends to Obi-Wan and Anakin, which would come out of nowhere. The whole Sith conspiracy angle comes out of nowhere. Why is Anakin's mom suddenly in danger, why does he hate Tatooine, wait this whole slave business who is this Watto guy, etc. Basically most of Anakin's plot will make no sense without Episode I.

As someone who knows the story, I guess you could roll with it if your dislike for Episode I is strong enough. But as a modification of the Flashback Order so far as introducing someone into Star Wars...no, not really.

Elheru Aran wrote: ↑2017-08-28 04:08pm

JLTucker wrote: ↑2017-08-28 12:09pm

Gandalf wrote: ↑2017-08-28 10:36am

Right, and Episodes 1-6 are the story of Anakin Skywalker.

Rogue One adds fuck all to that, so it may as well not be a part of the Machete order.

Where did this idea that 1-6 are about Anakin come from?

Lucas, IIRC. Something along the lines of 'Star Wars is the story of Anakin Skywalker' or something like that.

Yeah. His word means absolute shit, imo. Goes for al directors trying to say something "factual" about their work.

JLTucker wrote: ↑2017-08-28 04:30pm

Elheru Aran wrote: ↑2017-08-28 04:08pmLucas, IIRC. Something along the lines of 'Star Wars is the story of Anakin Skywalker' or something like that.

Yeah. His word means absolute shit, imo. Goes for al directors trying to say something "factual" about their work.

Not Anakin specifically at this point, but Kathleen Kennedy said they're about the Skywalker family:

• Kennedy revealed that the core movies are considered the "Saga" movies by Lucasfilm, while the spin-offs are "Anthology" movies (A terminology now replaced in titling by the phrase "A Star Wars Story," judging by recent Rogue One announcements.).
  "The Saga films focus on the Skywalker family saga," she explains. "The stories follow a linear narrative that connects to the previous six films. The Force Awakens follows Return of the Jedi and continues that generational story. The Anthology films offer opportunities to explore fresh characters, new storylines and a variety of genres inside the Star Wars universe."

The Hollywood Reporter

So as far as Lucasfilm is concerned, the Episodes are indeed about the Skywalker family. Since they're the ones making them, well, I'd say it's a safe bet that's where the narrative focus will be.

JLTucker wrote: ↑2017-08-28 04:30pm

Elheru Aran wrote: ↑2017-08-28 04:08pm

JLTucker wrote: ↑2017-08-28 12:09pm
Where did this idea that 1-6 are about Anakin come from?

Lucas, IIRC. Something along the lines of 'Star Wars is the story of Anakin Skywalker' or something like that.

Yeah. His word means absolute shit, imo. Goes for al directors trying to say something "factual" about their work.

So the man who came up with the entire universe and most of the original characters and plots, doesn't know what he's talking about and the fan knows better. #okay #thatslikejustyouropinionman

I realize he's changed his stance on some things a few times. You think GRRM didn't tweak things every now and then with ASOIAF? Robert Jordan with Wheel of Time? Stephen King with The Shining?

And I find your quote-marks around 'factual' interesting. I'm not sure if you're aware, but it's a *work of fiction*... which he created, or at least had a large hand in creating. I think he's entitled to have an opinion about how it works. You *have* heard the phrase 'Word of God' right?

Elheru Aran wrote: ↑2017-08-28 04:36pmSo the man who came up with the entire universe and most of the original characters and plots, doesn't know what he's talking about and the fan knows better. #okay #thatslikejustyouropinionman

I realize he's changed his stance on some things a few times. You think GRRM didn't tweak things every now and then with ASOIAF? Robert Jordan with Wheel of Time? Stephen King with The Shining?

And I find your quote-marks around 'factual' interesting. I'm not sure if you're aware, but it's a *work of fiction*... which he created, or at least had a large hand in creating. I think he's entitled to have an opinion about how it works. You *have* heard the phrase 'Word of God' right?

He's probably going with Death of the Author here.

RogueIce wrote: ↑2017-08-28 04:38pm

Elheru Aran wrote: ↑2017-08-28 04:36pmSo the man who came up with the entire universe and most of the original characters and plots, doesn't know what he's talking about and the fan knows better. #okay #thatslikejustyouropinionman

I realize he's changed his stance on some things a few times. You think GRRM didn't tweak things every now and then with ASOIAF? Robert Jordan with Wheel of Time? Stephen King with The Shining?

And I find your quote-marks around 'factual' interesting. I'm not sure if you're aware, but it's a *work of fiction*... which he created, or at least had a large hand in creating. I think he's entitled to have an opinion about how it works. You *have* heard the phrase 'Word of God' right?

He's probably going with Death of the Author here.

Oh god. If we're going to get into literary criticism territory beyond just 'hey does mixing up the order of these movies make them play better', I'm out. It's all entirely too goddamn subjective.

I feel that movies must stand on their own and if a director has to explicitly say something about a movie, then it isn't conveyed in the work. Kind of like JKR saying Dumbledore is gay. Yeah, well, book doesn't convey that, so STFU, JKR.

Now, Kennedy saying the Saga is about the Skywalkers is conveyed in all the movies. Saying they're about Anakin is BS and not conveyed outside of The PT. OT is Luke, as evidenced by his journey.

The Romulan Republic wrote: ↑2017-08-24 01:58am One needs to come up with a revised version of this order to determine where you fit Rogue One in (I presume TFA would just come after VI, as per the original).

Since this is centered on the main storyline I think Rogue One can be left out and people wouldn't miss anything.

Well... people would be missing a blatant and very soulless-feeling cash-grab tie-in made by the evilest empire of all (Disney), but don't most people want to miss out on that? Leaving it out is fine in either case.

(Seriously, give R1 the Atari E.T. treatment, at least the Holiday Special brought us an enjoyable cartoon and a funny Rifftrax.)