Imperial Rank Insignia Discussion

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Re: Imperial Rank Insignia Discussion

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Re: Imperial Rank Insignia Discussion

Post by RogueIce » 2018-06-17 01:08am

Darth Winter wrote:
2018-06-14 11:36am
RogueIce wrote:
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So I'm not sure what you're doing with your uploading, but it's not coming through. Even when I go to the link it just says "410 Gone" on the page.

Have you considered just uploading to imgur.com or something like that?
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It does, thank you. Some commentary:

You'd need to address the double row badges for the Army. Veers has RRRR/BBBB and the stormtrooper officer he orders to deploy troops has RR/BB. Also, when Brom Titus got demoted, he was still referred to as "Commander" but with a RR badge, which in your scheme is Ensign. While it's possible his title was being used as an honorific, IIRC he did have command over other officers, so it's unlikely. Which would indicate a RR badge has more seniority than you're giving it here.
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Re: Imperial Rank Insignia Discussion

Post by Darth Winter » 2018-06-17 03:10pm

RogueIce wrote:
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You'd need to address the double row badges for the Army. Veers has RRRR/BBBB and the stormtrooper officer he orders to deploy troops has RR/BB.
Doble row bage same in army, navy and administration, etc. It show level in the general imperial hierarchy. Captain of the ship have same bage, as comandant of the city. Director of State Agency equal to Admiral. It mean it is common insignia for all brunches and sevices. I think we can call it Officer Level 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6.

General Veers commander of all land forces of Death Squadron (Vader personal armada led by the Executor-class Star Dreadnought Executor, supported by six smaller Imperial-class Star Destroyers). Admiral Ozzel commander of all Death Squadron. Piett and Needa - commanders of one of the ships. So we have this signification in Navy

RRRRRR
BBBBBB - Level 6 - commander of fleet or separate (not part of the fleet) squadron (like Death Squadron). Usually it Admiral or Fleet Admiral.

RRRRR
BBBBB - Level 5 - commander of squadron. Maybe assystant of fleet commnader. Usually it is Vice Admiral. Assistent of separate squadron commander is captain of flagship. Assistent of Ozzel was Piett. This explains why we do not have this insignia in movie.

RRRR
BBBB - Level 4 - commander of Division. Usually it Rear Admiral or Commodore. Commander of all Separate Squadron's land forces looks equal position to me.

RRR
BBB - Level 3 - captain of the Ship. Usually it Commander, Lt. Commander and Captain.
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In non-English-speaking countries all this ranks named Captain. In continental Europe countries it calls Captain of the Navy, Captain of Frigate and Captain of Corvette. In Russia more simple Captain First, Second and Third rank.


RR
BB - Level 2 - first and second offciers. Chiefs of battle stations. Usually it Captain (if ship captain have rank commander) or Senior Lieutenant.

R
B - Level 1 - junior officers. Usually it is Junior Lieutenant and Ensign.
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Also, when Brom Titus got demoted, he was still referred to as "Commander" but with a RR badge, which in your scheme is Ensign. While it's possible his title was being used as an honorific, IIRC he did have command over other officers, so it's unlikely. Which would indicate a RR badge has more seniority than you're giving it here.
Commander it is not necessarily rank. It coud be position. Like commander of the ship or commander of the fleet. Degraded ensign could command a salvage yard. He have only civilians on his command. No one officer exept him.

Also captain Piett rank can be Lt. Commander or Commander. Captain could mean his position - Captain of the Ship. Executor is a flagship so she's capatin could be even commodore.

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Re: Imperial Rank Insignia Discussion

Post by MKSheppard » 2018-06-17 10:18pm

Also, ROTJ....everyone had the same damn insignia (!!!)
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Re: Imperial Rank Insignia Discussion

Post by Darth Winter » 2018-07-12 02:06pm

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I make a few changes. In new canon there is no (yet) Major of Lieutenant Generals.Brigadier General exist (look at wookiepedia). Also Colonel equal to Commodore. It mean Rear Admiral equal Brigadier General. But next rank looks to strange (Vice Admiral equal to Major General :( ). So i change german system (Major General, Lt General, General, Colonel General, Grand General) to french system (Brigadier General, Division General, Army Corps General, Army General).

Also I add starfighter ranks and few administration positions.

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Re: Imperial Rank Insignia Discussion

Post by sammlego333 » 2019-01-03 04:17pm

Hello there, new guy here, first post, anyway, I like a lot of the ideas presented, however, a few things bother me;

First off, I do not think the 'line branch' has different insignia, different uniforms? perhaps, but that is all. I think for the 'operations branch' the closest relative (at least in the navy) would be the naval guards, who, from what I understand, were skilled; enlisted, NCOs, and low officers within the navy, who guarded positions, and ran high-importance facilities such as the Death Star.

2nd, and I forget where I heard this from, think it was Mr. Saxon himself, but the Empire almost certainly has different ranking systems under different commands, and in my opinion, we have seen 2 or 3, ANH, ESB, and RO, however RO and ANH could be one in the same, the only thing throwing this off, is 4 blue being lieutenant in ANH, vs a 4 blue rank being captain in RO.

3rd, I think starfighters were under their assigned branch similar to proposals for ISB.

4th, I have a proposal based off of previous assumptions on this thread, along with various canon sources, and have concluded an army, and navy rank system, and intend to make a rank chart. (Parentheses are assumptions made.)

Corporal Petty Officer
Sergeant Chief Petty Officer
Sergeant Senior (Master Chief Petty Officer)

2nd Lieutenant Ensign
1st Lieutenant Junior Lieutenant (could be 'sub-lieutenant')
(Captain) Senior Lieutenant (could be normal 'lieutenant')
(Major) Captain
(Lt Colonel) Lieutenant Commander
Colonel Commander

(Brig General) Commodore
(Major General) Rear Admiral
(Lieutenant General) Vice Admiral
General Admiral
(High General) Fleet Admiral
Grand General Grand Admiral

Now, for the ranks of Captain, Major, and Lt Colonel, I took a guess, because the original ranks were respectively Commandant, Commander, and Major, and I didn't like the way those ranks felt.

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