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Post by PhoenixKnig » 2018-02-27 12:42pm

Oh yeah I didn't think too much about that
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Trailer looks to have a Dreadnaught Cruiser in the imperial fleet.

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Re: Star Wars: Rebels

Post by Rogue 9 » 2018-02-27 10:00pm

Well that was a fairly thorough mindfuck. Series ends next week. We'll see how they wrap it up.
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Re: Star Wars: Rebels

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-02-28 04:59pm

Anyone want to place bets on how many characters die for the finale?
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Re: Star Wars: Rebels

Post by Lord Revan » 2018-02-28 05:20pm

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Anyone want to place bets on how many characters die for the finale?
I think it's more or less comfirmed that Sabine survives past the Battle of Jakku so she's safe and depending on how the finale relates to Rogue One Hera might be safe too. The fate of the rest of the cast is uncertain though.
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Re: Star Wars: Rebels

Post by Burak Gazan » 2018-02-28 05:31pm

Kallus and Zeb I fear are expendable. Rex probably makes it. Hera, yeah. The droid could always be rebuilt....
But Bridger? DEAD. And he needs to be dead. Aside from being annoying 99% of the series, he has now, personally , pissed off the Emperor, actual. If he skates away on that, in any fashion, it's just retarded
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Re: Star Wars: Rebels

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-02-28 05:41pm

Ezra and Kanan both need to either bite it or not be Jedi/part of the Alliance at the end, or it causes some serious issues with the whole "Luke is the last Jedi" thing in the OT.
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Re: Star Wars: Rebels

Post by Batman » 2018-02-28 05:49pm

Um-Kanan is a goner already...
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Re: Star Wars: Rebels

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-02-28 05:53pm

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Um-Kanan is a goner already...
Yeah, I think I heard something about that, though I haven't watched the most recent episodes.

So... one down, one to go.

I really hope Hera makes it, though. But since she was at Scarif, then unless the series extends past Scarif, the only place she could die would be during the battle itself.
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Re: Star Wars: Rebels

Post by PhoenixKnig » 2018-02-28 06:05pm

Lord Revan wrote:
2018-02-28 05:20pm
The Romulan Republic wrote:
2018-02-28 04:59pm
Anyone want to place bets on how many characters die for the finale?
I think it's more or less comfirmed that Sabine survives past the Battle of Jakku so she's safe and depending on how the finale relates to Rogue One Hera might be safe too. The fate of the rest of the cast is uncertain though.
What's the source in that
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Re: Star Wars: Rebels

Post by Batman » 2018-02-28 06:09pm

Technically Luke wasn't the last Jedi. Ben and Yoda were still around, and if one wants to get nitpicky neither Ahsoka (remember she's still around, too) nor Ezra are full-on Jedi
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Re: Star Wars: Rebels

Post by Lord Revan » 2018-02-28 06:10pm

PhoenixKnig wrote:
2018-02-28 06:05pm
Lord Revan wrote:
2018-02-28 05:20pm
The Romulan Republic wrote:
2018-02-28 04:59pm
Anyone want to place bets on how many characters die for the finale?
I think it's more or less comfirmed that Sabine survives past the Battle of Jakku so she's safe and depending on how the finale relates to Rogue One Hera might be safe too. The fate of the rest of the cast is uncertain though.
What's the source in that
For Sabine I've heard that Poe refers to New Republic propagandist in a comic or novel, that's very similar to Sabine or could have even been confirmed to be her, I've not actually personally seen that source only hear about it second hand. As for Hera there's a backround PA announcement for "general Syndulla" in Rogue One and that was comfirmed in tweet to be Hera and not her father.
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Re: Star Wars: Rebels

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-02-28 06:19pm

Yoda tells Luke he will be the last of the Jedi shortly before dying.

Tarkin also believed the Jedi to be dead in A New Hope, though he could, of course, be in error.
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This last episode also hade the first canon on screen appearance of time travel in Star Wars. :o
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Re: Star Wars: Rebels

Post by Batman » 2018-02-28 06:39pm

Sigh...
Spoiler and quote tags no work together
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Re: Star Wars: Rebels

Post by Reyvan » 2018-02-28 06:51pm

About the Spoiler Spoiler
Its not something thats at all easy to do. And it seems that the ancient Jedi hid the the way to do Time Travel deep under at least one temple, possibly in an area that was completely inaccessible until the Empire completely removed the temple. Vader never knew about it, and its likely the Jedi of the Prequels didn't either. Palpatine may not even know that its possible despite trying to gain control of it. He may think that the gateway leads to something else. It also seems to be the type of Time Travel where you don't really change how events unfolded, rather any changes you make have already happened.

That doesn't seem to be explained very well, basically, Ezra didn't change Ahsoka's fate in this episode. There's no timeline where she was killed by Darth Vader, Ezra always rescued her. So basically, because Padme died, its impossible for Vader to use Time Travel to save her, because if he had, she would never have died. Or, if it is possible, Bad Things are likely to happen. Ahsoka stops Ezra from rescuing Kanan for precisely this reason. If Kanan were rescued, then Ezra and the rest of the Ghost crew would die, and who knows how the force would deal with that paradox.

If Palpatine does know Time Travel is possible, its probably the sort of thing that he would make absolutely sure to never let Vader know about. I'm not sure exactly what Vader would do if he could Time Travel, but I'm pretty sure every possibility would end very badly for Palpatine.

The only known location where its possible to Time Travel was also destroyed at the end of the episode.

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Re: Star Wars: Rebels

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-02-28 07:12pm

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Which is fine, in and of itself. In fact, unless you want to start creating alternate universes all the time, its the only way to really handle time travel logically, in my opinion.

But it opens the door to time travel in Star Wars, and I doubt all others will use it as well.

Mixed feelings about Ashoka being alive. I love Ashoka, but you don't want to keep bringing back "dead" characters all the time because it undermines the story. And it leaves a loose thread which could fit awkwardly with the OT.
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Post by Batman » 2018-02-28 07:58pm

When, exactly, was Ahsoka killed? If you mean the Ahsoka/Vader fight at the end of s2 we saw her walk away from that
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Re: Star Wars: Rebels

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Batman wrote:
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When, exactly, was Ahsoka killed? If you mean the Ahsoka/Vader fight at the end of s2 we saw her walk away from that
Yes.

Personally, I always felt that it was somewhat ambiguous weather Ashoka survived, but I guess they left the door open.

Still leaves a messy loose thread that could fit awkwardly with the OT if not handled well.
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Post by Burak Gazan » 2018-02-28 08:16pm

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Ahsoka, disengaged from the duel for the split-second to plunge both blades into the floor and destroy the Sith Weapon; Vader struck her down then -- or he would have, except Bridger snatched her away before the blow landed. She returned to that timeframe, thus we saw her walking down stairs and thru doorway...
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Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-02-28 08:20pm

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Which works alright, in and of itself, but leaves the big question of Ashoka's future as unanswered as ever.

I wonder if she's still alive in the ST era, now.

Oh, nasty thought...

I wonder if she was one of Luke's students who got killed by Kylo Ren.
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Re: Star Wars: Rebels

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As for Hera there's a backround PA announcement for "general Syndulla" in Rogue One and that was comfirmed in tweet to be Hera and not her father.
In the animated Forces of Destiny microseries, which according to Wookiepedia is canon, there's an episode where Hera, Chopper, and the Ghost show up at Endor. So she survives up into ROTJ

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Re: Star Wars: Rebels

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-02-28 08:22pm

Its going to suck to be Hera if she's the only one of her crew (besides the droid, anyway) who makes it out.
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Post by Burak Gazan » 2018-02-28 08:28pm

Sabine prob safe; she's cute and has boobs, and has all that Mando plot armour, for them to use in another series
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Post by Knife » 2018-02-28 10:45pm

The idea anyone not seen on the OT is automatically dead is asinine anyway. Not dead unless said dead.
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Post by Burak Gazan » 2018-02-28 10:55pm

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RR, she held her own against Darth Vader; and he kicks little Kylo's butt all over the playground. I think she'd do fine in that matchup, hypothetically. If we don't see her, I can only GUESS they planning something with her in the next series
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