Knife wrote:Shroom Man 777 wrote:"You could have let us in on that whole thing sooner."
Why? Dooku is set up as the head of the CIS. Why would he need to devulge every aspect of the 'plan' at every moment it happens? Especially something that trivial. Really it's trivial, some bounty hunter the Republic hired (even though it was Dooku who did it) 10 years ago for a secret project ended up in Dooku's employ.
You're confusing important plot points with important in universe issues.
He could've avoided potential awkward questions by not needlessly having Jango hang out and high five and butt slap and shower in the same room as Nute Gunray and co.?
"Have you gone senile, Dooku? You let a mang who is so pivotal to the Republic war effort in progenating their clone army (while no doubt himself getting paid shitloads of quatloos) into Geonosis with you, to visit our super secret factory facility, and to shake hands and stand beside our top leadership VIPs."
"I stole away an important Republic asset and turned him into a CIS asset." Usually something seen as a positive.
Apparently conflict of interest is a foreign concept in the super deregulated free market indivisible hand capitalistic system of the Trade Federation and CIS corporatocrats?
LOL, apparently turning enemy assets into a friendly, or using assets with knowledge of enemy assets is somehow a bad thing in Shroom world.
CIS asset for
what? Sure, he shot at Amidala a few times (with mutant centipedes at Coruscant, and then at Geonosis I think). But unless the CIS actually knew of the surprise Republic arms buildup and surprise clone army that surprised even the Republic's own shining knight protector Jedis before said arms built-up clone army blew the hell out of your factory world... turns out an intelligence asset that hasn't netted you jack and shit is a pretty crap asset now that you're all surprised and running away from a fuckoff clone army you never knew existed invading the shit out of your factory planet (almost as surprised as you would be if you never had an intelligence asset in the first place).
Nute Gunray: "Hey Dooku, maybe you could've told us about this intelligence asset
before the Republic sent those fuckoff clones at us, so we might, you know, be able to 'prepare' for it and gotten ready for this whole war business? Would've been nice to have actually prepared for this surprise clone army, rather than half-assedly scrambling to counter it
after they invaded the shit out of us."
Or
"What the hell kind of shit intelligence asset was that? We STILL never knew the Clone Army even existed in the first place until they fucking shat at us with 200 gigaton ICS Acclamators over at Geonosis! Come on!"
If intelligence asset Jango actually netted the CIS some assetful intelligence beforehand, and like the CIS were already preparing for a war against some fuckoff huge clone army that they already knew about before Geonosis and were mobilizing (and only got surprised at Geonosis because they weren't expecting the fuckoff clone force they already knew existed was about to attack at an unexpected time and place so quickly) then, yeah, that would be okay.
If they didn't know anything about the Clone Army before Geonosis/AOTC, then Jango was a pretty shit intelligence asset.
Why? America used intell from Ahmed Chalibi for the war, who turned out to be a total douche with his own agenda who gave false info. It was a scandal, but the US governement didn't crash and burn. President Bush wasn't hunted down by the senate and shot on the White House front lawn. Your assertion that because Dooku turned an agent (at best) or outpaid a rival for a source (at worse) that his whole massive government he put together would come crashing down is silly.
When did I say that it would come crashing down? I think it'd be pretty cool if it didn't crash his government down, but just made Nute Gunray all sorts of pissed and undermine confidence and get space tomatoes thrown at Dooky's face. Or at least, just made some guys
ask that question or remark on it or something.
OP: "Wouldn't the CIS' leadership ask some questions when they noticed this?"
Is this little hiccup even acknowledged in the repositories and volumes of the EU's interesting backstories?
It's nagging me. Dooku didn't need to bring Jango to Geonosis in front of his CIS buddies. Yet he did. You'd think it won't pass entirely unremarked. Yet, as far as I know, it did pass unremarked.
It's an important plot point, Jango being the templet for clones, but in universe it is a small matter to current events separated by a decade.
I dunno mang. I think Nute Gunray going "Holy shit Dooks, the guy you had hanging out and chilling with you and us all this time was the grand daddy of that fuckoff clone army that just shot the shit out of us? Daaaaaymmmmnnnn!" and just remarking on that should happen.
Dooks could go like "Hey, yeah, that is a funny thing. It's a small galaxy after all, am i rite?"
And Nutes can go. "Ya rite mang. It's like those times you bump into a guy, but you're not sure if you know that guy, and you dunno what to do cause if you greet the guy but turns out you don't know each other, you'll look stupid, but if you don't greet the guy and it turns out he does know you, you'll look like an ass."
And Dooks can go. "Man that happens all the time to me mang. It's so awkward!"
And Nutes can go "Hey do these Nemoidian robes make me look fat?"
And Dooks can go "No, but your ass does! Hee-hee!"
And Nutes can go all pouty. And Dooks can tell him that wearing black clothes will make him look less fat. And then they can go SHOPPING together! Tee-hee-hee!
Or whatever.
Trust is an important thing to build when, uh, you're asking these guys to fight an intergalactic war on your behalf and coercing them to follow your orders and make sacrifices.
Bwhahahahahahahaha! When has that ever been true in history?
If you're some shadowy overlord appearing out of nowhere and asking a bunch of Nemodian bigwigs to follow your commands in a high risk war against the Republic, it's good to keep them confident about your masterminding chops and not let them doubt you by bringing some useless gun-totting shmuck with significant ties to the enemy, and best to not do this and not let any questions be raised in the first place by not bringing Jangos into the same room as Nute Gunrays?
Also. Dooku wouldn't have had to make these half-assed explanations of yours if he didn't let Jango visit him in Geonosis and thus meet the CIS leadership face to face in the first place. What was Jango doing there in the first place? (I delve into this question in the thread I linked to in the OP too)
Easy, "Gentlemen, its a good thing I hired that bounty hunter, so we had an idea of Republic abilities or we probably would not have made it off Geonosis. Our loses were bad, and they had tactical surprise; however, they have now lost their strategic surprise and we'll start our outer rim siege droid swarm strategy to overwhelm these clones using tactics against the known bounty hunter tactics and strategy we know about because I was smart enough to fore see a use of the man."
I think the argument of why the Republic kept the clones who look like a current CIS agent has more validity than the CIS getting all butt hurt over it.
"Gentledooks, if we knew that guy was the grand daddy of the Republic's clone army and actually got useful information out of this, we would've not have been caught off guard by this inexplicable clone army that we never knew even existed until it just kicked our asses all over Geonosis. At the very least, we would've known of the existence of that clone army in the first place!"
Your argument would work if the CIS had foreknowledge of the Republic's massive clonely military buildup. Did the CIS have this foreknowledge in the EUs that I am unfamiliar with? All I'm going with is the movies, which didn't show any indication of that.
If the CIS
didn't know of the clone army or shit until
after it got its ass kicked at Geonosis, then turns out Jango was a shit source of info and maybe Nute would at least remark on that. He might be as pouty and as sully to Dooku then as he was when Dooku said his ass was fat.