So, comments on the first episode:
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In the establishing shot, there's at least a dozen Venators lined up in two rows, with two of those corvettes from the previous season a bit ahead of the front Venator line. Later shots also have some Acclamators in view.Srelex wrote:What was the scale like? Dozens of ships, or hard to tell?
Are you kidding me?The Romulan Republic wrote:-The clones used the children in battle. One more war crime for the Republic.
Not in the slightest:Thanas wrote: Are you kidding me?
The United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, Article 38, (1989) proclaimed: "State parties shall take all feasible measures to ensure that persons who have not attained the age of 15 years do not take a direct part in hostilities."
Under Article 8.2.26 of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC), adopted in July 1998 and entered into force 1 July 2002; "Conscripting or enlisting children under the age of fifteen years into the national armed forces or using them to participate actively in hostilities" is a war crime.
Yeah, and we also saw clones pick droids off towers dozens of meters away during the training exercises. As for the droids, while I'll grant that their marksmanship may leave something to be desired, at least they weren't doing comedy.Thanas wrote:In any case, good episode (the latter, the first one wasn't that good), but I really, really think the aiming skills need to be improved. Heck, we saw clones and droids miss from a few meters.
Actually, I thought the Clones were consistently good in the training exercises. Maybe the sucked more on the actual battlefield, but that's probably to be expected.Thanas wrote:The same clones that were also fighting in the sniping positions and sucked at it. Really, the capabilites seem to vary according to the "not enough bolts on screen yet" level.
I wonder, if this is going to become a lengthy debate, if it might not be better suited to its own thread rather than highjacking this one?Thanas wrote:Also, with regard to child soldiers - I see that you weren't kidding and are actually that stupid. Riddle me this - what would you have the cadets do? Also, children does not apply here, as these are obviously not normal humans.
Hey, what a coincidence - that is exactly what the Republic did. The cadets mention they got cut off on their way to the barracks. And the Republic did not even arm them outright.The Romulan Republic wrote:I would put the cadets, who are clearly undertrained, physically weaker than adult clones, and under-equipped for combat somewhere as far away from the fighting as possible. I would arm them, but with strict orders not to expose themselves or open fire except as a last resort in self-defense.
Obviously not by the standards of that universe.I would argue that the very act of cloning children for the purpose of turning them into soldiers violates the Rome Statute, as previously quoted.
I will give the Republic credit for appearing to initially try to keep them out of the fighting. Later, however, they used the children to set up an ambush and fire on the droids from above. Granted, these were a few clones acting on their own initiative.Thanas wrote: Hey, what a coincidence - that is exactly what the Republic did. The cadets mention they got cut off on their way to the barracks. And the Republic did not even arm them outright.
Obviously. However, you surely cannot deny that by real-world standards and definitions of war crimes, the Republic is guilty of war crimes.Obviously not by the standards of that universe.
They were also protecting them from getting slaughtered by the droids, who had orders to kill all.The Romulan Republic wrote:I will give the Republic credit for appearing to initially try to keep them out of the fighting. Later, however, they used the children to set up an ambush and fire on the droids from above. Granted, these were a few clones acting on their own initiative.Thanas wrote: Hey, what a coincidence - that is exactly what the Republic did. The cadets mention they got cut off on their way to the barracks. And the Republic did not even arm them outright.
Which ones? Aside from cloning soldiers.Obviously. However, you surely cannot deny that by real-world standards and definitions of war crimes, the Republic is guilty of war crimes.
Or the mass rapes. Yes, sir, it is totally awful and dishonest to point out Soviet war crimes and "crimes against humanity" in addition to the German ones.Thanas wrote:Which ones? Aside from cloning soldiers.
Really, this is a bit like some revanchist bringing up the point that the soviets also broke the rules of law when they shot captured Germans.
Quit trolling and use your brain to read the word revanchist in my post.Darth Hoth wrote:Or the mass rapes. Yes, sir, it is totally awful and dishonest to point out Soviet war crimes and "crimes against humanity" in addition to the German ones.Thanas wrote:Which ones? Aside from cloning soldiers.
Really, this is a bit like some revanchist bringing up the point that the soviets also broke the rules of law when they shot captured Germans.
Why did you add that, then? What reason did you have to compare The Romulan Republic to "revanchists" (presumably German such)? Unlike me, he has not (to my knowledge) been anti-Jedi/pro-Empire in the past.Thanas wrote:Quit trolling and use your brain to read the word revanchist in my post.
From what I recall, in those cases it was more a matter of volume than quality that drowned my arguments. Some were successfully nitpicked, but I never saw one that succeeded in actually defeating most of them.Also, don't you dare try and turn this thread into one of your stupid "The Jedi were actually worse than the empire" spiels, or I will simply link to the sound trashings you received on the subject in the past.
Let me qualify that: I would consider myself anti-Jedi (more the institution than its individual members, who were mostly well-intentioned but indoctrinated). However, I am also unapologetically anti-Empire, and while I have not spent a great deal of time arguing the issue here, on the rare occasions when I do enter a debate on the morality of the Empire, that is always the position I have taken.Darth Hoth wrote: Why did you add that, then? What reason did you have to compare The Romulan Republic to "revanchists" (presumably German such)? Unlike me, he has not (to my knowledge) been anti-Jedi/pro-Empire in the past.