Galvatron wrote:Anguirus wrote:Can we not pretend that this "the Sith are so confusing!" argument existed before someone came up with it on page 16? It's a disingenuous complaint.
How soon we forget.
Oh snap! Conceded! I remembered there was some thread on RLM/TPM before but didn;t have the events of a year and a half ago memorized completely. I like Wong's response though!
Holy shite, we are just retreading the same fucking ground aren't we? Except I was wittier and less irritated back then. Can we all just like...get beers and move on with our lives or something? Shit, I still haven't even bothered to see this guy's review.
Bakustra wrote:
They are an example of bad writing because they allude to an important event they want to get revenge on the Jedi for.
Nooo, this is an example of not necessarily bad writing that Lucas likes to indulge in. He likes implied history, and the sense of seeing only one part of a larger epic/universe. That's the whole stated reason for adding "Episode IV: A New Hope" to the first movie.
We already know all that we need to know about this event. Who the fuck cares how the Jedi killed off the Sith? We know that they did, and even when.
You remain disturbed that the film is not filled with trivia. Granted, trivia > fart jokes and Gungans.
What polluting does he do, if he's literally a Captain Planet villain?
We see his forces bulldoze a fucking forest, man! Oh god, that made my night.
If he's supposed to be platonic patheticness, that's a)inappropriate for an adventure movie, or indeed any movie that's not a surrealist farce, and b)undermined by him objecting to anything people say, which ties back into a)
a) Why? That's just some statement you made.
b) Wait, what? So a villain can't symbolize anything unless he's a perfect symbol, with no human qualities? That's something else you just pulled out of your ass, dude!
If he's supposed to be Captain Capitalism, his dialogue doesn't reflect that. He doesn't reflect on how much money he's going to make off these Naboo suckers, he doesn't even seem overly concerned with cash beyond what is told to us by others. It's certainly never shown. Replacing all the fart and poop jokes with jokes about him being miserly would be at least a minor step towards that.
Yeeeah, much as anything would be better than poop jokes, that's a little heavy-handed for my taste. YMMV. (While we are at it, having Darth Sidious electrocute a puppy would have conveyed critical information to the audience.)
Destructionator wrote:
For example, I watched "The Defector" (TNG episode) again this last Saturday. I noticed things I hadn't noticed before: the Romulan's poison disc in his boot. Worf being sent to deal with something.
Wait a minute. No, I really mean it...put a pin in this damn debate for the moment.
Are you my alternate personality or something? I just went on a TNG on Netflix kick, just watched that very episode, and just noticed those two little bits of business for the first time! *Trekkerbrofist*
The thing with TPM is the more you think about it, the less sense it makes.
Yeah, if you squint at it you see the "blarg taxes blarg INVASION" handwave. Is that all you're getting at, or was there something else? Cause like, ok, it's a handwave, and it's crappy, but then things still kind of work because it's still just some excuse that happened before the movie. When we get to the movie, the situation is that the TF has to be kicked off Naboo.
Also, the more you think about it, the more you realize why it's actually an unsatisfying experience. It drags in the middle, it takes too long to introduce Anakin and he's either useless or enjoying some contrived success. Oh, and Jar Jar just EATS screen time and craps it out as dreck.
which you haven't shown objectively btw.
I have to poll children now? The fact that you're even using the word "objectively" is kind of symptomatic of your preoccupation that there is only one valid opinion of not only that TPM is bad, but of HOW bad it is. It's a bit much to ask. You and I and the rest of us are each a data point of one, i.e. an anecdote. There is no objectivity to be had.
And even this doesn't work well for TPM because it contradicts itself from time to time!
Where? Or is this another incarnation of the "characters disagree whether the blockade is legal" thing?