Re: Anyone else watching Obi-Wan Kenobi?(Spoiler thread)
Posted: 2022-06-08 02:25pm
If the lore is respected, Vader might actually be pissed that Reva kidnapped Leia. The Grand Inquisitor wasn't happy about it either.
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That dead kid could be a useful prop when they give another force sensitive kid the 'join us or die' speech.
It's possible that they don't meet. We only have two episodes left and Vader's only interest in Leia is as bait. Once Obi-Wan gets her home and escapes, Vader should lose interest in her.I wonder what will happen when he eventually meets Leia?
For myself, it makes more sense that she did let him escape. For one, it explains why those two airspeeders were able to approach the tower unnoticed. For another, it ties in to ANH, when Leia was the first to realise that Tarkin let the Millennium Falcon escape. She had been hit with that trick before.bilateralrope wrote: ↑2022-06-08 02:53pm I don't believe that Reva intentionally let Obi-Wan escape. But, she was still smart enough to plan the tracker just in case.
Indeed. From what I can tell about where it's going, it's bridging the gap between Obi-Wan as a broken man going into hiding, and his more upbeat persona in ANH.Crazedwraith wrote: ↑2022-06-08 05:10pm I've not seen it yet, but well it's an Obi-Wan show starring the prequel guy, how was it ever not going to extensively reference and tie into the prequels?
Your point is taken, but it certainly isn't airtight. The Hobbit features Ian McKellen and Orlando Bloom, but it's shit compared to LOTR. Speaking of the movies, not the books. The Sequel Trilogy stars Han, Luke, and Leia, and has no hint of the originals stylistically. Was it really so silly to hope a real artist might have taken the reins? That McGregor might show a little humility?Crazedwraith wrote: ↑2022-06-08 05:10pm I've not seen it yet, but well it's an Obi-Wan show starring the prequel guy, how was it ever not going to extensively reference and tie into the prequels?
I may not hate it as much as you do since my enthusiasm for Star Wars has never really recovered since 1999, but I couldn't disagree with a single thing you said.
They had already explained that the base had no shield, relying instead on people being too scared to dare attack it. There was no sign of any weapons capable of shooting down attackers, nor anyone ordering hidden guns to hold fire. The officer who was suspicious of Durith because it wasn't her sector was scared into doing nothing. Basically, security was based on fear instead of competence.Juubi Karakuchi wrote: ↑2022-06-08 03:05pmFor myself, it makes more sense that she did let him escape. For one, it explains why those two airspeeders were able to approach the tower unnoticed. For another, it ties in to ANH, when Leia was the first to realise that Tarkin let the Millennium Falcon escape. She had been hit with that trick before.bilateralrope wrote: ↑2022-06-08 02:53pm I don't believe that Reva intentionally let Obi-Wan escape. But, she was still smart enough to plan the tracker just in case.
That's clever writing by current Star Wars standards.
Meh. A boomer rant.KraytKing wrote: ↑2022-06-08 03:10pm Honestly some of the worst Star Wars media I've ever seen. The first episode was insulting, but it didn't drive me away like the Mandalorian did for some reason so I kept watching. Now I intend to keep watching, just so I don't have friends telling me "oh it gets better, you're just a curmudgeon" for the rest of time.
Jesus Christ. Did any of the writers ever watch Star Wars? This looks like what you would do if you wanted to write a bad spinoff TV show and you thought the prequels were genuinely good movies. It feels like one of those direct-to-video Disney sequels, but where they hold up the Phantom fucking Menace as the work of brilliant writers beyond their skill.
It's a weird choice from the very start to open with a recap of some of the worst movies ever made. Did they really want to remind everyone of how terrible Revenge of the Sith was, thinking that would put us in a good mood? Let's just broadcast terrible writing, directing, set design, acting, and lighting, why don't we? Maybe they thought it would make the audience judge the show more favorably, being reminded of how much worse it could be.
The first episode gave up REALLY quick on the whole idea of Kenobi being isolated and in hiding. That no-name Jedi really took three sentences to convince him to give up his secret identity. No big scene or nothing, just some punk-ass Jedi schmuck. And why is Kenobi required to rescue Leia? When Bail asks him, he offers several very good options that the show just does not address at all. Bail represents an entire planet, he REALLY can't afford the security to go rescue his daughter? Why would he be willing to risk Kenobi's secret over something he has the resources to solve? He didn't know she had been taken by an Inquisitor, the riffraff he was facing are EASILY within the skillset of men he can call on. Furthermore, Kenobi's whole relationship with Leia is calling MORE attention to the absurdity of his line in TESB: "That boy is our last hope." It was already made stupid since he was present at Leia's birth, but the show is calling attention to something it should have been trying to divert attention FROM.
You know what, that call to action was stupid enough for a second paragraph. Bail Organa is an Imperial Senator. He is high profile, AND he's a public muckraker in opposition to the Emperor. He MUST be watched, and there is no way he doesn't know that. Personally travelling to a planet he has NO legitimate business on, then going straight to the hideout of possibly the most wanted man in the Galaxy, is an absurd risk to both of them. If Kenobi is found out while rescuing Leia, they both die. I don't know how that hasn't happened yet, honestly; the fact that Kenobi has now been found in the guardianship of Leia MUST be enough evidence for the Empire to slot Bail. Or at least go rape his mind until he reveals Kenobi's home base, probably revealing Luke in the process. This isn't even the only evidence of terrible hiding, just the most prominent. How the fuck have these people been hidden for ten years? How the fuck do they stay hidden for another ten?
The shitty thing is that I haven't even gotten to the really bad shit and this post is already longer than I would bother to read.
Aliens. Did everyone forget that the Empire hates aliens? Is it not explicitly stated that the Empire is super duper racist and puts humans first, in addition to it being heavily implied that the Empire is the embodiment of the Third Reich in space? Why in the FUCK is every Inquisitor an alien or a human minority, or an alien played by a human minority? (Minority meaning in America, not the world). I know the Empire doesn't care about human races, but that's just a complaint regarding casting. Obi-Wan and nameless Jedi schmuck are white humans. Kumail Nanjiani is at least a brown Jedi, but it's quickly revealed that he's running a scam. It's a little ridiculous. To be clear, there are two separate problems: questionable casting choices in making every person of color a bad guy or morally questionable; and minimizing the racism of the Empire, thereby minimizing the story of struggle against a racist state.
They could have made a good point about racist autocracies, of course. That they often don't believe the bullshit they peddle, it's just to acquire power. Obviously not true in the case of the Third Reich, but I would give Kenobi a pass there if they had said something profound. But of course they didn't. If the Inquisitors were some internal branch of the Empire, kept secret from the public, then they could be aliens without undermining Human High Culture. But they are very obviously well known to EVERYONE in the Galaxy, since they are instantly recognized on Tatooine. Similarly, there could have been a profound moment with the alien mole-person on the mining world; he is obviously pro-Imperial, which could have been portrayed as the pro-Nazi Norwegians, French, Ukrainians, Romanians, and the rest: a desperate sapient who's only option is to give up and try to make it hurt less. But no, he just seems to be friendly, and the Imperials like him too.
Now the meat. What the fuck is wrong with Kenobi's character? He is NOTHING like the real Kenobi from the OT. He's a plausible development of PT Kenobi, if you assume all his Jedi wisdom and training REALLY didn't help him with his trauma, but that isn't the baseline they should be developing off of. The character of Kenobi is Sir Alec Guinness first, Ewan McGregor second, but it looks like Ewan got a swelled head and decided his Kenobi is the real one. He is continually a total bitch to Leia, no HINT of wisdom and serenity you might expect from a Jedi Master. And when he sees Vader? He fucking RUNS? Fear is the essence of the DARK SIDE, God damn it! Of course, he NEEDS to run, because surviving to train the next generation of Jedi is far more important than killing Darth Vader, but Jesus did they execute it poorly. He was obviously terrified of meeting Vader. The PTSD moments when he feels Vader's presence were excellent, but the anticlimactic series of not-quite-fights were nauseating. And the fight itself! What a character death for Kenobi. I thought HE was the master when they last met? He was tossed around like a punk on the sidelines. That's the kind of beat-down I would expect Kenobi or Vader to deal to one of the Inquisitors, not the climactic clash between two supreme masters of the Force.
There are a hundred more little things, but I'm out of time. Whoever wrote this should be put on basic income and isolated from anything creative ever again. Please tell me someone else on this board hates it too.
Wait. What?ray245 wrote: ↑2022-06-09 04:38am Meh. A boomer rant.
Too bad the kids grew up enjoying the prequels and basically ignores what people like you tried to enforce what Star Wars fans should or should not like.
It's a good thing voices like yours is becoming a minority now with time. Your kind of attitude got us the Star Wars sequels.
Lol, I appreciate the ego boost. Well, here's everything else I thought was dumb.Galvatron wrote: ↑2022-06-09 12:38am
I may not hate it as much as you do since my enthusiasm for Star Wars has never really recovered since 1999, but I couldn't disagree with a single thing you said.
In fact, I want to read about the "hundred more little things." There must be something we'd disagree on.
The Grand Inquisitor was cool. Hopefully he actually is dead and Rebels has been retconned a little, because I can't think of a reason he would be alive and not killing Reva.Juubi Karakuchi wrote: ↑2022-06-04 06:23pm Watching it. Enjoying it on the whole.
I actually liked Rupert Friend's portrayal of the Grand Inquisitor; even if some on Youtube hate it seemingly on principle. Copying the Rebels version was always going to be hard, bearing in mind the art style. And trying to impersonate Jason Isaacs risked sounding fake. Far better to do his own rendition, and be judged on that. Though I do wonder what's going to come of Reva having seemingly killed him.
Owing to seemingly every time the Empire does everything, overconfidence seems to be a factor. They probably don't have the best hiring and promotions regulations.KraytKing wrote: ↑2022-06-09 10:38pm On the whole, they're treating Kenobi without enough reverence in-universe. He is one of only two surviving council masters. He is Vader's teacher and nemesis, and the only man Vader probably truly fears. Allowing your quarry to escape to bring down the bigger cell is generally a smart move, but I think Kenobi is just about the most valuable prey in the galaxy. Expensive bait.
Or they are different people from the same species. Thus removing the need for a retcon.
Another reason in favor of the tracker being planted just in case something went wrong, instead of letting them escape being the plan. Then Reva lied to Vader about why she planted it, because telling the truth would get her killed.On the whole, they're treating Kenobi without enough reverence in-universe. He is one of only two surviving council masters. He is Vader's teacher and nemesis, and the only man Vader probably truly fears. Allowing your quarry to escape to bring down the bigger cell is generally a smart move, but I think Kenobi is just about the most valuable prey in the galaxy. Expensive bait.
Actually, I don't think it's the least bit clever, at least not for tracking the network. The Third Sister knows she's Princess Leia and so why wouldn't Obi-Wan go straight for Alderaan and drop Leia, and the droid, off before going on his merry way.
Or even just the nearest major starport where they can put her on a commercial transport straight to Alderaan. Maybe they can shoehorn Disney's Galactic Starcruiser into this for just that purpose.
That had literally my eyes rolling. It's just downright stupid and illogical. Talk about lazy writing.bilateralrope wrote: ↑2022-06-09 03:09amThey had already explained that the base had no shield, relying instead on people being too scared to dare attack it.Juubi Karakuchi wrote: ↑2022-06-08 03:05pmFor myself, it makes more sense that she did let him escape. For one, it explains why those two airspeeders were able to approach the tower unnoticed. For another, it ties in to ANH, when Leia was the first to realise that Tarkin let the Millennium Falcon escape. She had been hit with that trick before.bilateralrope wrote: ↑2022-06-08 02:53pm I don't believe that Reva intentionally let Obi-Wan escape. But, she was still smart enough to plan the tracker just in case.
That's clever writing by current Star Wars standards.
Yeah, that's possible, but what are the odds that there are two consecutive Grand Inquisitors of the same, relatively uncommon species? And Fifth Brother is passed over for promotion?bilateralrope wrote: ↑2022-06-10 02:16am
Or they are different people from the same species. Thus removing the need for a retcon.
The Obi-Wan Grand Inquisitor has a different eye color to the Rebels one. That detail is something I'm going to want anyone claiming they are the same person to explain.
I like that a lot more, but we still have the problem that Vader found it acceptable. If your theory is correct, then why did Vader put her back on the case? Plus all of the numerous security failings that allowed them to escape. Vader should have thanked her for hedging her bets, then killed her for failing to capture her quarry and set someone else on the job.Another reason in favor of the tracker being planted just in case something went wrong, instead of letting them escape being the plan. Then Reva lied to Vader about why she planted it, because telling the truth would get her killed.
Look, I'm just trying to find SOMETHING good in this show. I'm grasping at straws.
And the base is already on alert, no less.
I might have hated it more if it hadn't followed Episode 3. This was sweet relief after that disaster.
We are talking about an organisation that reports to Vader, with its HQ in his star system.Gandalf wrote: ↑2022-06-09 11:11pmOwing to seemingly every time the Empire does everything, overconfidence seems to be a factor. They probably don't have the best hiring and promotions regulations.KraytKing wrote: ↑2022-06-09 10:38pm On the whole, they're treating Kenobi without enough reverence in-universe. He is one of only two surviving council masters. He is Vader's teacher and nemesis, and the only man Vader probably truly fears. Allowing your quarry to escape to bring down the bigger cell is generally a smart move, but I think Kenobi is just about the most valuable prey in the galaxy. Expensive bait.
Maybe the unlikely happens. Maybe there is something about that species that makes them more easily molded into a Grand Inquisitor that can survive under Vader. Maybe Fifth Brother dies before the Rebels Grand Inquisitor takes the position.KraytKing wrote: ↑2022-06-10 12:55pmYeah, that's possible, but what are the odds that there are two consecutive Grand Inquisitors of the same, relatively uncommon species? And Fifth Brother is passed over for promotion?bilateralrope wrote: ↑2022-06-10 02:16am
Or they are different people from the same species. Thus removing the need for a retcon.
The Obi-Wan Grand Inquisitor has a different eye color to the Rebels one. That detail is something I'm going to want anyone claiming they are the same person to explain.
Maybe Vader believed her lie. Maybe he confuses bold plans with competence until they are a complete failure. Maybe his anger at Kenobi is distracting him. Maybe Vader wants to keep her on the job because he doesn't any of the Inquisitors will survive a fight with Kenobi and she's the most expendable right now.I like that a lot more, but we still have the problem that Vader found it acceptable. If your theory is correct, then why did Vader put her back on the case? Plus all of the numerous security failings that allowed them to escape. Vader should have thanked her for hedging her bets, then killed her for failing to capture her quarry and set someone else on the job.Another reason in favor of the tracker being planted just in case something went wrong, instead of letting them escape being the plan. Then Reva lied to Vader about why she planted it, because telling the truth would get her killed.
Not needed. Nobody would dare to attack the base
Not needed. Nobody would dare to attack the baseWhat about radar?
Not needed. Nobody would dare to attack the baseIsn't ANYONE watching for approaching ships?
Stop worrying about being a called a curmudgeon and go watch something you will actually enjoy. Life is too short to do otherwise. You'll be a happier curmudgeon for doing it.KraytKing wrote: ↑2022-06-08 03:10pm Honestly some of the worst Star Wars media I've ever seen. The first episode was insulting, but it didn't drive me away like the Mandalorian did for some reason so I kept watching. Now I intend to keep watching, just so I don't have friends telling me "oh it gets better, you're just a curmudgeon" for the rest of time.