The Clone Wars Season 3 discussion thread.

[The Original Nex]

Terrible, terrible suspicion that I REALLY hope doesn't come true.
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The glowing girl and the red-eyed demon guy will turn out to be antropomorphic incarnations of the Force.

Is there any reason to suspect this at all??

[Force Lord]

*Reads latest SW Insider*



Ventress is a Nightsister!?

[Thanas]

Why is that so unsurprising? People can become nightsisters by training.

[Force Lord]

Thing is, I thought they would keep Ventress's Rattaki background. Now it seems she's originally from Dathomir as far as Insider claims.

[Thanas]

I doubt they will change her background.

[Force Lord]

I hope so. Insider says she goes to Dathomir because Dooku decided to have her killed on orders of Sidious. Apparently Ventress was becoming a little bit too strong for both men's tastes.

EDIT: If this is true, how the hell they're going to explain Obssesion?

[Thanas]

I hope so. Insider says she goes to Dathomir because Dooku decided to have her killed on orders of Sidious. Apparently Ventress was becoming a little bit too strong for both men's tastes.

EDIT: If this is true, how the hell they're going to explain Obssesion?

Dooku can always frame it as a sith test. Ventress is quite gullible when it comes to him - it took him ordering her shot in front of her eyes for her to snap out of it.

[darthscott]

Thing is, I thought they would keep Ventress's Rattaki background. Now it seems she's originally from Dathomir as far as Insider claims.

Well it says she is brought to Rattatak by raiders, so its not that big of a change. What interested me on was on PG 9 where it says
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Darth Maul is still alive. Maybe he is a clone? or that cyborg Maul from the Visionaries comic?

[Srelex]

I hope that's either wrong or applies to some sort of flashback, because otherwise there'll be a helluva lot of convoluting...

[darthscott]

Yeah I did a double take when I read that one. Here is what it says in the SW Insider in case anyone is interested:
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"Unable to best the powerful Dooku, the two escape, but there is one last shock to come, when Mother Talzin reveals Opress has a brother, living in exile in the Outer Rim, who will complete his training: Darth Maul!"

[Srelex]

...I'm trying to concieve what sort of explanation they have for that. I'm putting my money on cloning.

[Talhe]

On a Ventress related continuity note, wasn't her big background exposition by a former enemy of Ventress? According to Wookiepedia it happened in issue 60 of Republic (which I don't have access to at the moment). If that was the only real exposition given, then there's probably room for events in her backstory.

[Ritterin Sophia]

I wouldn't be surprised if it's a clone, there's already an entirely canon story where a Sith Cult creates a clone or doppelganger of Maul that attempts to kill Vader and Palpatine.

[Thanas]

On a Ventress related continuity note, wasn't her big background exposition by a former enemy of Ventress? According to Wookiepedia it happened in issue 60 of Republic (which I don't have access to at the moment). If that was the only real exposition given, then there's probably room for events in her backstory.

I doubt that, especially as "she always was a member of a darksider cult" is a lot more damning than "abandoned by death of teacher and left to fend for herself on one of the most brutal world possible). If you are correct and it was exposition by a former enemy, why not simply reveal the darksider issue?

Also, episode 1 of the clone wars shows her fighting in the arenas.

[Darth Fanboy]

She is depicted as a child in the comics, and that her first master was Ky Narec of the Jedi ORder until he was killed. There are room for events but there is not as much room to eliminate those details without a big retcon.

Which if it's a better story, who cares? If it isn't...well fuck.

[Ritterin Sophia]

Watching the newest episode. Just thought I'd note the shout out to BSG with the droid commander responding to Dooku with 'By Your Command'.

EDIT: WARNING NEW EPISODE CONTAIN TERMINAL IDIOCY

The Nightsisters have fucking lightbows.

[Srelex]

Eh, the EU already gave us lightwhips of all things.

[Ritterin Sophia]

Finished it.
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Mother Taozin refers Savage is a male from her planet, whether this is a retcon for the entire species or it's meant to say he's a Zabrak raised in their culture is unclear as of yet.

We do, however, get to see Dooku fight Asajj and two Nightsisters assassin 3-1 with his senses dulled by some kind of poison.

Also, Ventress' past is retconned, I think the implication was she was sold into slavery to protect her tribe or some such, then her Jedi master found her as a child after her owner was killed.

As for the lightbow the 'strings' were made of some kind of solid-state beam as well.

At this point I need to ask why they don't just make fucking lightrifles and be done with it.

[Talhe]

According to one of the Star Wars magazines (either Insider or Clone Wars), the Zabraks on Danthomir
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are from a group that crashed on the planet and were subdued by this group of Nightsisters. They interbred with them, resulting in the Near-Human appearance of these Nightsisters.

The ret-con discrepancies can probably be hand-waved away by the the story-tellers biases; a former enemy and slave of Ventress probably won't be entirely truthful.

[Vympel]

Savage Oppress = Clancy Brown.

Haven't seen the new episode yet, but ... that's just awesome.

[Srelex]

Saw it, quite a big improvement from recent episodes. Some pretty cool stuff, including some of the most sensible depiction of Force ability yet as far as I know. Wasn't too bothered about any retcons pertaining to Ventress or the Nightsisters, not knowing much of either. Only thing was as usual the capital ships seemingly not having much in the way of visible shielding, but that's hardly unique to this episode.

Also, didn't one of Lucas's daughter write these Ventress episodes?

[Thanas]

The retcon wasn't that bad, to be honest.

[RogueIce]

Also, didn't one of Lucas's daughter write these Ventress episodes?

According to the commentary it was Katie (Katy? Whatever) Lucas.

I enjoyed again. Like others said, I know nothing of the EU backstory so I won't even notice if there are retcons. Filoni did acknowledge that it's there and that they tried to be respectful, but ultimately when they sit down with the GL they get how the "real deal goes for him, in his universe."

So yeah, I guess the EU is only a 'suggestion' for the show, depending of course on how much Lucas cares about any element I suppose.

[Vympel]

This episode's a welcome change of pace (i.e. the prior pace being "fucking awful boredom and idiocy") - but one really obvious question:- why didn't they just use a poison dart with lethal poison on Dooku?

That said, Dooku's ensuing badassery (and hey, some fucking acknowledgement that Jedi don't need to use their eyes in combat! Only happened 30 years after ANH established it!) was well worth it.

[Darksider]

Who says they didn't use a lethal poison dart on Dooku? Jedi and sith have the ability to resist the effects of toxins. It's entirely possible that that dart would have been lethal if used on a non-force user.