Lucasfilm to fans : Fuck You!

[Mange]

Someone needs to preserve screen-captures and copies of these threads.

We should begin cataloging and saving a record of Hidalgo's behavior and commentary.

An excellent idea! Does anyone have a good idea how this can be done in a correct manner?

[Ender]

An earlier poster wrote that he is a subscriber to Hyperspace and didn't appreciate the article. While I think you guys are overreacting, I have a simple solution that just might get Lucasfilm's attention (certainly more than e-mails, which I doubt they even read):

Send a certified or registered letter to the offending party. Tell them that you are cancelling your Hyperspace and/ or Insider subscriptions because of what you consider insulting comments from Pablo, and you will encourage others to do likewise.

Will it work? I think it has a better chance to get their attention than e-mails (which nobody reads) and boycotts (which nobody follows through with). I'm serious. If you're that dissatisfied, stop paying them.

Been done, don't work.

By the way, it looks like one drama queen dropped his tiara in a fit of rage.

You know, I do a quick scan of all your posts made here, and I don't see anything but trolling and insults going on here. That you have nothing better to do but come here and start shit on a weekend says exactly how pathetic your existance is. Piss off troll

[President Sharky]

This guy has no respect for us at all. Something must be done to have his behaviour brought before the people at LFL.

Meanwhile, the fuckers at TF.N are celebrating that logic and science has been thrown out the window of Star Wars continuity, praising Hidaglo for being a fucking moron. Its sad that they don't realize that he insults them as well, by basically telling fanboys to think of Star Wars as if it was a motherfucking Dragon Ball Z episode.

[Elfdart]

Nothing but trolling? Try "anything but trolling". A troll is either a monster from Scandinavian folklore or someone who posts in internet forums solely to provoke hostility. I'm neither. The word does not mean "Anyone who causes immature losers like Ender to make fools of themselves." If that were the case, YOU would be the troll of trolls, given the way you've made yourself look like such an obnoxious drama queen. Are you going to stomp on your tiara next time?

So my suggestion of cancelling subscriptions has been tried and found wanting: Lucasfilm won't listen. Well, at least you're no longer paying for the honor of being "insulted". If you feel that strongly, don't buy their products. Even if they don't listen, you can spend your money on something else.

[Connor MacLeod]

Nothing but trolling? Try "anything but trolling". A troll is either a monster from Scandinavian folklore or someone who posts in internet forums solely to provoke hostility. I'm neither. The word does not mean "Anyone who causes immature losers like Ender to make fools of themselves." If that were the case, YOU would be the troll of trolls, given the way you've made yourself look like such an obnoxious drama queen. Are you going to stomp on your tiara next time?

So my suggestion of cancelling subscriptions has been tried and found wanting: Lucasfilm won't listen. Well, at least you're no longer paying for the honor of being "insulted". If you feel that strongly, don't buy their products. Even if they don't listen, you can spend your money on something else.

Lighten up. Ender didnt deserve that.

[Ghost Rider]

Nothing but trolling? Try "anything but trolling". A troll is either a monster from Scandinavian folklore or someone who posts in internet forums solely to provoke hostility. I'm neither. The word does not mean "Anyone who causes immature losers like Ender to make fools of themselves." If that were the case, YOU would be the troll of trolls, given the way you've made yourself look like such an obnoxious drama queen. Are you going to stomp on your tiara next time?

So my suggestion of cancelling subscriptions has been tried and found wanting: Lucasfilm won't listen. Well, at least you're no longer paying for the honor of being "insulted". If you feel that strongly, don't buy their products. Even if they don't listen, you can spend your money on something else.

Oh this from the person who just wants discussion but when pressured into making a relevant point about his opinion goes "It's just discussion!"

Seriously point out Ender is being a troll or shut the fuck up about being a civil man to his barbarian attitude.

[Elfdart]

Connor, yes he did deserve it.

Ghost Rider, if you had bothered to read my post you would notice I wrote that by the tiara-dropper's definition of the word "troll", it was he who was trolling -not me. Did you even glance at the sentence beginning with "If that were the case..."? Apparently not.

[Connor MacLeod]

Connor, yes he did deserve it.

Why, because Pablo attacked the methodolgy he (and others, such as myself, Curtis, Mike, etc.) choose to employ in sci fi debates? I agree he did not attack Curtis directly with his little rant, but he was attacking the METHODOLOGY, which is just as bad.

[Stofsk]

And I'd just like to point out that Ender's complaint doesn't exist in a vaccum, nor was this incident isolated. This Pablo character has screwed with others, including Master of Ossus. This makes Ender's complaint rather relevant.

[Connor MacLeod]

Pablo isnt the only one, either. Several of the Mods exhibit similar attitudes, and I know Dan Wallace (who hangs around there two) has made similar anti-scientific method comments (and has used the "I have all the respect for Saxton but I think his theories are full of shit" argument before)

Hell, the guy doesnt think you can generate hundreds or thousands of gees worth of acceleration or achieve near-c velocites (IIRC) with an ion drive!!

[Eframepilot]

Why is it so bad for Pablo to attack the methodology used here? Practically no one outside SD.net uses rational, scientific analysis on irrational, unscientific fiction, so the number of fans actually offended outside this board is nil. Perhaps scientific analysis is the best way to settle versus debates, but is it really appropriate for in-universe stuff like the aftereffects of the Death Star II explosion? Here in the real world, we can acknowledge that Star Wars isn't real, that it only follows the known laws of logic and physics when convenient (atmospheric-looking flying in space, English in other galaxies, etc.), and that the intentions of its author do exist and are knowable. So if Lucas and Lucasfilm say that Endor survived with no ill effects because the teddy bears deserve a happy ending for their picnic, then Endor did survive. Whatever Pablo's behavior is elsewhere, I see no reason to get so offended over this one statement of his. He even came up with a possible explanation of how the debris vanished! Yes, it used The Glove of Darth Vader (omg teh pain!1) but I've seen theories based on even sillier material (i.e. freaking Star Tours proves the existence of a 3rd Death Star).

I think everyone should just calm down and recite the end of the MST3000 lyrics quietly a couple of times.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Because it doesn't really work like that. Consistency has to be maintained.

[Ghost Rider]

Ghost Rider, if you had bothered to read my post you would notice I wrote that by the tiara-dropper's definition of the word "troll", it was he who was trolling -not me. Did you even glance at the sentence beginning with "If that were the case..."? Apparently not.

Right, because his complaints about Pablo was that the ass is essentially going anyone who applies anything real world in terms of calculation or applicastion is 3rd grade moron who obviously doesn't see the big picture.

Amazingly I agree with Connor's thoughts on it but your POV was the last part about someone dropping a tiara is akin to going "Stop bitching what do you know?"

So you care to say that Ender didn't do shit or that he's overreacting to a statement that he knows full well where it's directed at(and likely not at Dr Saxton a single bit)

Still nice you can't read or PROVE YOUR POINT.

[PainRack]

Why is it so bad for Pablo to attack the methodology used here? Practically no one outside SD.net uses rational, scientific analysis on irrational, unscientific fiction, so the number of fans actually offended outside this board is nil.

Except that every fan expects a somewhat "real", and adult SW movie. The fans of the OT, are now in their thirties. The newer fans, are in their twenties. Yet, Pablo and his attitudes are pandering to the below ten years old,when all evidence shows that the SW most significant fanbase(in the case of purchasing power) range from teenagers and mature adults, IOW, fifteen plus and thirty plus.

We do not expect to be treated like kids.

So if Lucas and Lucasfilm say that Endor survived with no ill effects because the teddy bears deserve a happy ending for their picnic, then Endor did survive. Whatever Pablo's behavior is elsewhere, I see no reason to get so offended over this one statement of his. He even came up with a possible explanation of how the debris vanished! Yes, it used The Glove of Darth Vader (omg teh pain!1) but I've seen theories based on even sillier material (i.e. freaking Star Tours proves the existence of a 3rd Death Star).

Except he insulted someone else and rode shit over him to do that.In the debates, that isn't a matter cause we're releasing steam. However, he's has to do PR work.

[Mange]

Nothing but trolling? Try "anything but trolling". A troll is either a monster from Scandinavian folklore or someone who posts in internet forums solely to provoke hostility. I'm neither. The word does not mean "Anyone who causes immature losers like Ender to make fools of themselves." If that were the case, YOU would be the troll of trolls, given the way you've made yourself look like such an obnoxious drama queen. Are you going to stomp on your tiara next time?

So my suggestion of cancelling subscriptions has been tried and found wanting: Lucasfilm won't listen. Well, at least you're no longer paying for the honor of being "insulted". If you feel that strongly, don't buy their products. Even if they don't listen, you can spend your money on something else.

Ummm, I'm Scandinavian... Seriously, while I don't think the statement in the Insider warrants a boycott or any other action, I think that we should track LFL in general and Pablo in particular to see how he's dealing with the fans in the future. It'll be interesting to see whether he answers my question I asked him in the Drop Box (which I don't think he will, but still).

[Elfdart]

Connor, I was referring to tiara-boy's attacks on me. I try to be civil, but I'm not about to adhere to The Marquess of Queensberry Rules while this guy keeps trying to punch my nuts.

Apparently in addition to poor reading and comprehension skills, Ghost Rider can't tell the difference between fact and opinion. An opinion can't be proved or disproved. For example, based on the tiara-dropper's shrill response to some off-the-cuff remarks by Pablo and myself, I am quite justified in thinking Ender is a thin-skinned drama queen who responds to the slightest of put-downs (or no put-downs at all) with shreiking shit-fits.

Another example: As I pointed out before (and those who can read noticed), the article refers to "armchair" scientists. Since Saxton is a REAL scientist, it obviously didn't refer to him.

[Lord Poe]

Another example: As I pointed out before (and those who can read noticed), the article refers to "armchair" scientists. Since Saxton is a REAL scientist, it obviously didn't refer to him.

Yes, but you're pointing to one section of the article, and missing the whole point. Pablo insults the entire methodology by smirking and including the yellow words passing into space as part of it. And this isn't the first time, or the most blatant he's been. It's a concentrated effort to downplay the importance of such a format of fandom that demands consistency with Star Wars ALREADY ACCEPTED physical rules be they scientific in nature or character driven.

Where they dismiss such, is where we get idiotic "Essential Guides" that seek to conform with RPG mistakes that the authors were either the creators of, or had a hand in, or we get those stupid fucking Naboo fighters which require R2-D2 to stretch his dome up into the droid socket.

If this shit really doesn't matter, they should have hired the artist for Barbar the Elephant to design spaceships, instead of Ralph McQuarrie.

(Oops, they may have. See above.)

[Darth Wong]

Why is it so bad for Pablo to attack the methodology used here? Practically no one outside SD.net uses rational, scientific analysis on irrational, unscientific fiction, so the number of fans actually offended outside this board is nil.

Oh really? You've taken a scientific survey of all SW fans to determine this? You've asked a thousand people outside this board whether they think the SSD was just 5 times longer than an ISD because the book says so and that overrides the movie, even though virtually any normal person will promptly side with the movie if a picture is shown to him? Do you realize that Saxton's crusade against the 8km SSD is one of the first things that alienated certain people against him, and that it is a perfect example of the "objective data vs official statement" quandary?

Perhaps scientific analysis is the best way to settle versus debates, but is it really appropriate for in-universe stuff like the aftereffects of the Death Star II explosion?

What makes you think that the average person, when asked about the possibility of a nuclear winter after the destruction of DS2, would say that it's out of the question? In my experience, normal people say "I don't think Lucas intended it to be that way, but that's what would realistically happen, yes."

Here in the real world, we can acknowledge that Star Wars isn't real, that it only follows the known laws of logic and physics when convenient (atmospheric-looking flying in space, English in other galaxies, etc.), and that the intentions of its author do exist and are knowable.

So? The intentions of its author change all the time. Vader wasn't even originally supposed to be a cripple; that suit was supposed to be a space battlesuit. And Leia wasn't originally going to be Luke's sister either. Appeals to your perceptions of Lucas' intent don't mean shit.

So if Lucas and Lucasfilm say that Endor survived with no ill effects because the teddy bears deserve a happy ending for their picnic, then Endor did survive.

Have they yet made this clear in a canon or quasi-canon in-universe source, as opposed to sniping at people?

Whatever Pablo's behavior is elsewhere, I see no reason to get so offended over this one statement of his.

It's not the theory we're offended at; it's his longstanding pattern of abusing his position to publicly denigrate fans who disagree with him, moron. If this were the only thing he'd ever said or done on the matter I don't think people would make a big deal out of it, but coming as it does from someone who clearly carries vendettas and grudges on the sw.com forums against people who support the oh-so-unreasonable "what you see is what you get" attitude toward the movies, it is the proverbial straw upon the camel's back: something that neither you or elfdart seem to be comprehending. Instead, you walk up to the camel and screech "it's just one fucking straw, grow up!"

[Lord Poe]

Hey all, Pablo has been called out on the Official Site forums:

+http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jsp?f ... 25#6703002

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Better take screencaps of it before it gets deleted.

[Ender]

Connor, I was referring to tiara-boy's attacks on me. I try to be civil,

No, you aren't. You are being passive aggressive. That is not anything close to civil, it's just what pussies to afraid to openly speak their minds do.

but I'm not about to adhere to The Marquess of Queensberry Rules while this guy keeps trying to punch my nuts.

Wrong forum then. Read the HoS or ASVS FUQ. We don't smile to someone's face here and then stab them in the back later or pull this passive aggressive shit. It's straight up "donkey fucker" here. Right now I don't see a single thing from you that doesnt' involve you pulling that crap to talk down to someone else, be it in the ROTJ alteration thread or here.

Apparently in addition to poor reading and comprehension skills, Ghost Rider can't tell the difference between fact and opinion. An opinion can't be proved or disproved.

Apparently you didn't pay any attention to the rules of this board - an opinion must be backed up by the facts. Which you don't have at all, you just came in here to talk down to people and pull this passive aggressive bullshit.

For example, based on the tiara-dropper's shrill response to some off-the-cuff remarks by Pablo and myself, I am quite justified in thinking Ender is a thin-skinned drama queen who responds to the slightest of put-downs (or no put-downs at all) with shreiking shit-fits.

Now see, since your head is located somewhere around your liver, you have no idea of all the history and bullshit that has gone on here that validates my response. So you came in and started talking down like the ignorant pig fucker you are. And amazingly, that isn't flying here.

Now be a good bitch and shut the fuck up.

Another example: As I pointed out before (and those who can read noticed), the article refers to "armchair" scientists. Since Saxton is a REAL scientist, it obviously didn't refer to him.

Still can't read, can you? Its the methodology he attacked, not any one pereson, and its a culmination of him abusing his authority to do so.

Piss off troll.

[Mange]

I did NOT like that Pablo didn't dare to answer and the comments made by the forum's moderator. I think it's good that someone reacted, but I don't think we'll see any of Pablo in that thread.

[YT300000]

Hey all, Pablo has been called out on the Official Site forums:

+http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jsp?f ... 25#6703002

Haha!! My first attack on a mod on the SW.com forums is posted. Now I am no longer clean on ANY message board.

[Elfdart]

What "authority" does Pablo have, Darth Wong? He writes a Q & A column in a fanzine where he fields questions from pre-adolescents about Gammorean Guards and Twilek Brain Tails. The fact that people like tiara-boy come unglued over what Pablo writes says more about them than Pablo.

Darth, if you went up to a thousand people and asked whether the SSD was 8 or 17+ km long, they would ask "What are you talking about?". If you asked any but the diehard fans, you'd get a blank stare or maybe a request for more information. Most diehards would probably take the "official" line and say 8km unless you actually showed them the screen shots. Even in that case, most would either think it was trivial or just a goof like Han Solo's arms being bound when he's lowered into carbon freeze in TESB, but unbound when he is thawed out in ROTJ.

Sure I enjoy arguing over stuff like this, but I realize that I'm a tiny minority of a tiny minority. Most people -even most fans- don't care one way or the other.

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[General Zod]

if you went up to a thousand people and asked whether the SSD was 8 or 17+ km long, they would ask "What are you talking about?". If you asked any but the diehard fans, you'd get a blank stare or maybe a request for more information. Most diehards would probably take the "official" line and say 8km unless you actually showed them the screen shots.

define what a diehard fan is. i for one don't consider myself a diehard starwars fan despite enjoying the series, although i'd still know what was being talked about. *shrug*