FFX and Grandia...seperated at birth?

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2003-06-20 07:53pm

FFX is a straight retelling of the story from Grandia.

And nothing more.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-06-20 09:14pm

Vendetta wrote:FFX is a straight retelling of the story from Grandia.

And nothing more.

Except for the fact that Grandia is retarded and the stories are completely different (if Square was going to rip off someone'e plotline, it certainly wouldn't be the uber-formulaic Grandia).

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2003-06-20 09:22pm

Oi oi oi I smell spoilers >.<

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2003-06-20 09:35pm

Be warned, FFX spoinlers may be evident in the following rant.

Durran Korr wrote:
Vendetta wrote:FFX is a straight retelling of the story from Grandia.

And nothing more.
Except for the fact that Grandia is retarded and the stories are completely different (if Square was going to rip off someone'e plotline, it certainly wouldn't be the uber-formulaic Grandia).

Special Girl is going to have to sacrifice her life to save the world from ancient recurring evil but isn't going to because she's fallen in love with gimpy male lead

It's the same fucking story, in fact, they're so similar, that I knew the exact relationship of the characters in FFX by the Mi'hen Highroad. The first time I saw the cutscene at the travel agency I knew exactly how Yuna's part in the story was mapped out, I knew her relationship with Tidus... I'd even partly counted on Square fucking up a good simple personal story with some 'dream of the fayth' bullshit (though not in as many words), as they have on so many occasions before. (See every FF game, where a good, direct, well told story goes horribly sideways in the last ten minutes and leaves everybody wondering "why the fuck did I just spend fifty hours chasing afvter this guy, when actually he's just a puppet/my brother/an inept fuckwit who likes pulling legs off spiders and happened to obtain godlike power by some spiteful accident)

In fact, Grandia is fare more enjoyable, because although Justin's a tit, at least he's not a morose, teen angsty, tit like Squa..., no Fei... No, Clou... sorry Tidus.

Bollocks to Square at the moment.

Vyse kicks all their asses and looks good doing it.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-06-20 10:45pm

I yearn for the days of FF6.

thecreech · Post by **thecreech** » 2003-06-20 10:48pm

HemlockGrey wrote:I yearn for the days of FF6.

Me too... i haven't really liked a FF since then

Soontir C'boath · Post by **Soontir C'boath** » 2003-06-20 11:57pm

Well FFIX is ok. But yes FFIII is the best....*sigh* ...nine years ago...~Jason

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-06-21 12:57am

Special Girl is going to have to sacrifice her life to save the world from ancient recurring evil but isn't going to because she's fallen in love with gimpy male lead

So take one plot element that's done completely differently in each game and use that as a basis to claim the two are carbon copies of one another?

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2003-06-21 03:49am

Durran Korr wrote: So take one plot element that's done completely differently in each game and use that as a basis to claim the two are carbon copies of one another?

Far from being "one plot element", that's the entire plot of Final Fantasy X, it's the single driving point that the entire pilgrimmage revolves around.

At least Grandia has some energy even before this story kicks in.

As I said before, I knew the story of FFX, without having it spoiled, from the first 5 or so percent of it, it was that close to what I'd already seen elsewhere.

If that weren't enough, despite them being the best handled of any FF game, and despite all the power of the format, the battles in FFX are still just "everyone line up and take turns", there's not even a nice dynamic presentation of them, which even Grandia managed a generation before.

It's ultra-conservative, it's structurally identical to its forbears, the characters just aren't engaging, and the story is lifted wholesale from elsewhere.

Square's school report says: Must try harder.

(I'm currently enjoying Final Fantasy Origins far more than I have FFX)

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-06-21 09:31am

Far from being "one plot element", that's the entire plot of Final Fantasy X, it's the single driving point that the entire pilgrimmage revolves around.

Except for the fact that there is no comparable pilgrimage in Grandia. Grandia, at its heart, is an adventure story, and that is the focus of the game. Saving the world is just something that is done along the way.

Post by **Steve** » 2003-06-22 09:16pm

Blasphemer! Infidel! Heretic! HEATHEN!

*summons the Inquisition to deal with Vendetta*

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2003-06-22 09:22pm

Vendetta wrote:Vyse kicks all their asses and looks good doing it.

HELL YEAH.

And Tidus is a wanker. Auron is the best character in FF10, followed by Lulu.

Post by **Steve** » 2003-06-22 09:36pm

Vyse? Who is this lame character you speak of?

:twisted:

Someone to get 0wned by Auron, perhaps?

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2003-06-22 09:46pm

Heh. Vyse is more of a man at 17 than Tidus, Squall and Cloud combined could be in their entire lives.

Don't argue with a guy who can call a moon down to smite your candy ass.

Post by **Steve** » 2003-06-22 09:55pm

Iceberg wrote:Heh. Vyse is more of a man at 17 than Tidus, Squall and Cloud combined could be in their entire lives.

Don't argue with a guy who can call a moon down to smite your candy ass.

He's not in an FF game, is he? Or a Squaresoft one?

No?

Then he must suck.

*snicker*

But considering some of the things you've said, I can see why you're sticking up for the V-man, Mark. I mean, IIRC, you do use him as an avatar on occasion for, um... never mind.

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2003-06-22 10:02pm

Steve wrote:
Iceberg wrote:Heh. Vyse is more of a man at 17 than Tidus, Squall and Cloud combined could be in their entire lives.

Don't argue with a guy who can call a moon down to smite your candy ass.
But considering some of the things you've said, I can see why you're sticking up for the V-man, Mark. I mean, IIRC, you do use him as an avatar on occasion for, um... never mind.

Just the fact that Vyse isn't a self-pitying whore like oh, three of the last four male FF leads (Tidus, Squall and Cloud, namely) puts him head and shoulders above.