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You would actually have massed artillery barrages, which could require tactical thinking. Have a couple people act as artillery spotters, a couple man some of those old Vickers machine guns, and the rest try to storm the enemy trenches. Might require the players to actually coordinate, for once.Simon_Jester wrote:I just hope they don't try and fill everything with ahistorical barrages of automatic weapons fire. A shooter with slow-firing weapons and circumstances that favor close combat could be interesting.
That level of spontaneous mass coordination is unlikely unless there are pretty good zerg-wrangling tools in the game (even then, you'd still probably be reliant on a smaller group of pre-organized players). More likely people on either side will run at each other semi-randomly.Borgholio wrote:You would actually have massed artillery barrages, which could require tactical thinking. Have a couple people act as artillery spotters, a couple man some of those old Vickers machine guns, and the rest try to storm the enemy trenches. Might require the players to actually coordinate, for once.Simon_Jester wrote:I just hope they don't try and fill everything with ahistorical barrages of automatic weapons fire. A shooter with slow-firing weapons and circumstances that favor close combat could be interesting.
if you make the machine guns leathal enough, they would limit zerging in and of themselves. Since zerging was tried in real life and we all know how well that went.Kingmaker wrote:That level of spontaneous mass coordination is unlikely unless there are pretty good zerg-wrangling tools in the game (even then, you'd still probably be reliant on a smaller group of pre-organized players). More likely people on either side will run at each other semi-randomly.Borgholio wrote:You would actually have massed artillery barrages, which could require tactical thinking. Have a couple people act as artillery spotters, a couple man some of those old Vickers machine guns, and the rest try to storm the enemy trenches. Might require the players to actually coordinate, for once.Simon_Jester wrote:I just hope they don't try and fill everything with ahistorical barrages of automatic weapons fire. A shooter with slow-firing weapons and circumstances that favor close combat could be interesting.
You think they'll bitch about that, just imagine if they introduce poison gas....ray245 wrote:Players will simply complain about the MG being too OP and demand they be nerfed.
Just imagine if they introduce malnutrion, trench foot, and spanish flu.just imagine if they introduce poison gas
Well they could make it so that all respawns come out of a pool of reinforcements. Once that pool reaches zero, no more respawns. That would still allow people to try mass rushing attacks if they wanted, but there would be clear consequences, as if most of the regiment was wiped out during the charge leaving only a handful to make it into the enemy trenches.They won't actually make machine guns that powerful. More to the point, in real life, dead soldiers didn't respawn a few hundred yards away several seconds later (which makes it a bit hard to suppress people or inflict enough casualties to actually break an attack). Zerging is a lot more viable when death is just an inconvenience.
Well, disease and sickness wasn't as representative of the war as gas attacks, IMO. When you think of the weapons of WW1, you think of barbed wire, machine guns, trenches, artillery, primitive tanks, biplanes, and poison gas.Just imagine if they introduce malnutrion, trench foot, and spanish flu.
Though I would be surprised if there wasn't poison gas. It will probably just be in form of gas grenades or something similarly odd.
Yeah, various maps could have randomly spawning poison gas clouds that, as you said, means you'll have to choose between wearing the gas mask and accepting it's limitations, or going without and staying away from the gas (and consequently be in a nice kill zone for the enemy machine gunners).It occurs to me that they could use gas to make some hazardous environments, and gas mask *filters* would be an consumable. You have to equip the filter before you equip the gas mask, when you take the mask off you lose the filter. Masks were also pretty shit for vision, so that would be an additional factor to ratchet up the tension.
Well they had a B-17 back in 1942. So how hard can it be to do it again? Although frankly I'd want to see airships.Sea Skimmer wrote:Normal battlefield game combat might as well be 1916 in the first place, utter hoards of people endlessly fighting over a combat zone about 1-2 miles wide with minor hills constantly changing hands. If they screw this up its only because they suck. Lack of helicopters will be the only thing that will really be missed, but made up for I think by the awesome that is a two seater biplane. I can only hope we get proper five-seven seater bombers.
B-17? Please (and it was around before then, just so you know...). Think more like a Gotha.Purple wrote:Well they had a B-17 back in 1942. So how hard can it be to do it again? Although frankly I'd want to see airships.Sea Skimmer wrote:Normal battlefield game combat might as well be 1916 in the first place, utter hoards of people endlessly fighting over a combat zone about 1-2 miles wide with minor hills constantly changing hands. If they screw this up its only because they suck. Lack of helicopters will be the only thing that will really be missed, but made up for I think by the awesome that is a two seater biplane. I can only hope we get proper five-seven seater bombers.
Not hard, though the turrets on the B-17s always had really bad lag problems, its just a question of will and design. IIRC though you still only got three people in those planes. Been a long time since i played though.Purple wrote: Well they had a B-17 back in 1942. So how hard can it be to do it again? Although frankly I'd want to see airships.
He was talking about an in game vehicle, not history. Learn your battlefield noob!Elheru Aran wrote: B-17? Please (and it was around before then, just so you know...). Think more like a Gotha.
Well I see one in the trailer, so I'm sure that exists. Battlefield 2142 had big floating ships you could drive around the map with some player manned guns on them, I'd expect a Zepplin to either work like that, or be a moving, but non player controlled capture point. Either way I hope they'll be mobile spawn points. The rain of players from the sky is what keeps battlefield games interesting and avoids constant bottlenecking problems where you get... a fixed battle line on the map. But yeah I see plenty of ways to make a WW1 game awesome. I just really hope they don't blow it all on nerfing guns to try to make freaking melee work. A better melee I have actually long wanted in battlefield, I don't like one click knife kills in a game where you can't hit someone with your gun... but I do not want anything else made less deadly in reply. The guns are weak on purpose already so you have a chance at all, but they should not be made weaker.Airships would be an interesting addition, but I'm not sure how you could tie them into a game that's mostly people running about a bombed-out hellscape. A biplane is easier to explain, have a 'landing strip' at one end of the game that people can run into and commandeer planes. Zepplins require rather more infrastructure than that. You could rationalize some sort of barrage balloon for artillery observation, which could be shot down by the biplanes...
I was talking about Battlefield 1942. You know, the original Battlefield video game. It had a B-17 model with multiple seats where one guy would act as the pilots and the rest would be gunners.Elheru Aran wrote:B-17? Please (and it was around before then, just so you know...). Think more like a Gotha.
An airship is effectively a bomber, only slower.Elheru Aran wrote:Airships would be an interesting addition, but I'm not sure how you could tie them into a game that's mostly people running about a bombed-out hellscape. A biplane is easier to explain, have a 'landing strip' at one end of the game that people can run into and commandeer planes. Zepplins require rather more infrastructure than that. You could rationalize some sort of barrage balloon for artillery observation, which could be shot down by the biplanes...