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Weltkrieg Part II - Invasion

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From "Germania rules the waves - Memoirs of Großadmiral Helmuth Cordemann", Bremen 1953:
"....and so, through fortuitious circumstance and the support of my great mentor, Großadmiral Reinhard Scheer, I was placed in command of the greatest fleet the Fatherland had ever put to sea. What a sight it was, stretching from horizon to Horizon - here were the proud Superdreadnoughts, lead by the newly built 60.000 ton Friedrich der Große (2), a worthy successor to the one my mentor had commanded twenty years ago. There were the proud fast battleships, worthy successors to the Große Kreuzer. And all among them were darting the nimble destroyers and fast cruisers, screened by our submarines. All in all, a mighty armada of 264 warships were now screening close to 134 transport divisions, amassing a total of over 4000 merchant ships.
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Yet even more important than the size of the Fleet was its location. For we had finally broken through the British mine barriers and entered the channel on that fateful day. With our fleet safely in our French bases along the former French, Belgian and Dutch coast, which had been painstakingly transformed into vast bases and anchorages, the British Home Fleet did not dare to challenge us, for we had long surpassed them in quantity and quality thanks to the power of German industry. The British meanwhile had concentrated their land forces - though their best had long died an icy death in cold Russia - in Southeast England, ready to oppose any landing in force. And so, while we made final preparations and thousands of men were embarking, an uneasy silence settled over the channel."


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Meanwhile, we had researched a better Naval doctrine and were immediately following that up with more naval research.

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From "First ashore and last to leave. The story of the 39th Armeekorps", by General der Infanterie Gustav von Schlieffen, Stuttgart 1947:
"Finally, on June 1st, a day that will live on in Glory, the first German soldiers landed on British soil. With the enemy having their forces concentrated in the southeast, a smaller fleet was sent out under cover of darkness, carrying my boys to British soil. At the same time, the Luftwaffe, which had already conducted bombing campaigns, dropped 6000 elite paratrooopers on the forts near Southhampton. Those forts, built in the mid 19th-century, had been hastily modernized - but lacked any anti-air weaponry. The night battle was fierce with heavy casualties, but in the morning, 36.000 German soldiers had started occupying Southhampton. With more and more troops landing daily, the bridgehead quickly expanded.
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Soon, 250.000 German soldiers had landed on British soil, facing only light resistance in the unprotected west of England."


From "Germania rules the waves - Memoirs of Großadmiral Helmuth Cordemann", Bremen 1953:
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"With our army ashore near Southhampton, it was decided to begin Operation Sichelschnitt. This was made possible by the shock and confusion reigning among the British Army, which had been unable to do much except to begin starting preparations for a counteroffensive. However, just as the British were looking westwards, our forces from the dutch ports arrived in Eastern England. This time there was no paradrop, for a simple beach assault was sufficient to secure anchorages. Facing little resistance in Chelmsford, our forces pushed on to St. Albans.
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By July 1st, the British troops in the southeast were caught in a massive cauldron, with confusion and mass panic among the civilian population slowing any British breakout attempt. Meanwhile, our troops were busy digging in.



From "First ashore and last to leave. The story of the 39th Armeekorps", by General der Infanterie Gustav von Schlieffen, Stuttgart 1947:
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"With Southhampton having fallen on the 12th of June, regular convoys could start. Soon, 600k German soldiers were on British soil and on the first of July, a general offensive was called to pop the British Pimple.
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275.000 troops attacked the British in Brighton.
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Our troops had an advantage in that the British were reluctant to use poisonous gas. Many of their hastily-mobilized infantry also lacked protective gear, a fact our gallant troops exploited."



From "Germania rules the waves - Memoirs of Großadmiral Helmuth Cordemann", Bremen 1953:
"On July 8th, the Southern British Fleet had been ordered to set sail to prevent its capture by advancing German land forces. This fleet, mainly composed of old and outdated ships, was easily spotted by our floatplanes. On July 9th, the Hochseeflotte caught up with them near the Dogger Bank. In true Nelsonic tradition, they refused to surrender, despite the outcome never having been in doubt as our Superdreadnoughts shelled them from range.
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It was but a taste of things to come."


From "First ashore and last to leave. The story of the 39th Armeekorps", by General der Infanterie Gustav von Schlieffen, Stuttgart 1947:
"The British continued resisting fiercely in Brighton. Meanwhile, they had - unbeknownst to us - concentrated their forces from Northern England and Ireland. Thus, our forces in Oxford, Southhampton and St. Albans were each attacked by 300.000, 105.000 and 105.000 troops respectively. It was a cunning plan, made possible by the fact that most of our strength was engaged in Brighton.
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It was also compounded by an attempt of half their Grand Fleet to blockade Southhampton. Thus denied of reinforcements, our 40k troops had to hold the line against a foe three times their size. Maybe the attempted breakout by their Southern Fleet was just a ruse - a sacrifice designed to draw our fleet away. For if the British retook Southhamptan, it would be our troops cut off. However, just as the British were engaging, our Hochseeflotte reappeared, for thankfully Großadmiral Cordemann had ordered a full speed run back to the Channel as soon as a U-boat confirmed the British fleet entering it. This "run to the South" saved our Campaign and doomed the British Empire, for in the resulting night battle in the Channel....
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they lost one entire subfleet and half their remaining fleet strength. Immediately, a massive convoy with another 100.000 soldiers was sent out from France, while our Superdreadnoughts took turn shelling the enemy attack force near Southhampton.
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The British lost their entire attack force in Southhampton.
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The attack on St. Albans, which had been carried out by 105.000 men against 80.000 of our own, stalled and had to be called off due to the brilliant defensive tactics of General Ludendorff. Finally, we could rush desperately needed reinforcements into Oxford, where the main British attack had started. Words can hardly describe this massive battle, involving over700.000 soldiers on both sides. The British attacked with sheer desperation into our defenses. Oftentimes ammunition ran out and parts of the battle devolved into a massive hand-to-hand slaughter. However, most of our units were experienced veterans with top-of-the-line gear and tanks, whereas some British units of the Home Guard carried hunting rifles as main armament."
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At Oxford, the British Empire died.
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Soon after, the entire British army at Brighton surrendered.
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The 1st. Guardearmee, composed of the Gardekorps and led by the 1st. Guards, were tasked with the much-anticipated assault on London.
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Meanwhile other forces were ordered to fan out, break or destroy the remainders of the British Army and take Cornwall. An attempt by the remaining British fleet to evacuate and save what they could met with disaster as they were caught and destroyed by the Hochseeflotte. On August 5th, we attacked London. This caused the remainder of the British Army to launch another attack on Oxford.
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However, they were too late, for London fell on the 21st of August after bitter fighting reduced most of the city to rubble.
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The last intact British Army, led by General Battenberg, was defeated at Oxford on the 30th.
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By September, we had taken most of Southern England.
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On September 13th, after the battle of Coventry, the English Army ceased to exist for all practical purposes."


From "Germania rules the waves - Memoirs of Großadmiral Helmuth Cordemann", Bremen 1953:
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"On September 15th occurred what Historians have liked to describe as the death ride of the British Navy, a final act of defiance. I myself prefer to frame it in simpler terms - the remainder of the British fleet, including their most powerful superdreadnoughts, tried to evacuate the remains of the British Navy and Government from England. They were spotted, engaged and destroyed. Rumours that the British Admiral committed suicide when he saw our battleships approaching have never been substantiated. All in all, should I ever have the harsh duty of leading my fleet against hopeless enemy odds, I pray to God that I show half the courage the British Navy showed that day. Yet the facts are also undeniable - while we did not lose a single warship, we destroyed a total of 191 ships of all classes and sizes."
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The remainder of the campaign is easier to describe. Without anybody to oppose us, German forces rapidly took control of Great Britain.
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By February 1935, we had begun shipping troops back to the mainland save for a few occupying forces and had started preparations for a campaign against the British colonies, which continued the fight against us."



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Poor Brits. I wonder how the colonies will react to not having a motherland anymore.
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Weltkrieg III - Mopping up

Though the UK itself had fallen, the British continued the fight from their colonies, aided by the USA and a host of smaller nations. The USA tried to rescue the British by invading the Faroe Islands, using their newly formed Marine Corps.The German Army sent a single Korps to deal with them.
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From the halls of Montezuma....to their deaths in Faroe.

Meanwhile, our diplomatic offenses bore fruit.
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Chile, the dominant power in South America, was now a German ally.
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In June, we landed in Marocco, facing little resistance. Our Afrikaarmee was on its way to its first victory.

On the same day, June 2nd, news arrived from the east.
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Lolwhut? The entire Indian Army had made the long trek. Too bad that they were running into our entire eastern armed forces.
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...You sure this was a good idea, India?

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Finally we had proper global supply lines.
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Better naval design was the next goal.

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On July 1st, Casablanca fell.

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On August 23rd, the entire Indian Army perished on the plains of Russia East Germany.

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With those news, Canada decided that they had it and were ameniable to our peace offer.

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Escort carriers and better subs. Tremble, USA.

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With our victory over Marocco, we decided to depose the monarch and install a puppet friendly democracy there. Bringing Liberty to Africa, one gunshot at a time.

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Somaliland meanwhile was placed under the rule of a puppet government, seeing as it was unsuitable for democracy at the time.

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Convoy sailing....hmmmm....
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We put that theory into practice and sent a massive convoy to African shores.

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It was time to go to a fully oil-driven Navy and Merchant Navy.

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...with the Trucal states now in our sphere of influence, we would not run out of the black gold at any time soon.

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And with Colombia being in our sphere as well, we would never run out of the other black gold, for oil and coffee are the two ingredients for a successful modern Empire.

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By December 17th, we had reconquered all of our colonies and were now starting to push into British Central Africa.
Spain used this moment to declare war on its old enemy Britain as well, seeking to gobble up more British territory in Africa.

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By March 1937, Central Africa was completely occupied and our troops were now pushing south. Yet it was in North America that the war would be decided.

From "Germania rules the waves - Memoirs of Großadmiral Helmuth Cordemann", Bremen 1953:
"It was more than fitting that the fate of the British Empire, which had been founded on, expanded and kept alive by Seapower, was decided in a decisive battle at Sea. Sadly, none of the forces that took part in the battle were British. For the opponent of the Hochseeflotte on this day was the American fleet. The fate of Britain would be decided by the fleet of its colonial children and the Hochseeflotte, which was modelled by the Great Großadmiral von Tirpitz after the Royal Navy.

Arrayed on one side was the United States Navy, largely composed of superdreadnoughts of the Standard-type battleship, boosting an impressive 60 capital ships. On our side was the Hochseeflotte, with 72 capital ships. But one thing the USA fleet sorely lacked were screening vessels, for while we had 192 cruisers and destroyers, they only had 41 - scarcely enough to even form a proper vanguard for a fleet this size. And while they had largely trained for daylight fighting, our fleet had become the master of night attacks, especially those massed torpedo attacks carried out by our daring destroyer forces. For nearly a week, our destroyer forces harried them at night ever since we spotted their fleet coming out of New York harbor to meet us. After depriving them of any sleep for that period of time, it was decided that we should offer battle. Given the superior speed of our battlecruisers and fast battleships, the USA had to either accept that battle, or save their faster ships while consigning their slow battleships to their fate. Either option was acceptable to us.
The USA chose to accept one decisive battle. And so it came that we arrayed us in divisions, hoisted the Battle ensigns and entered the contest.
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The result was the most decisive defeat of any force since Trafalgar. We could exploit the superior speed of our forces to pull stricken ships out of the line of battle, as well as rotate fresh divisions in and out. The USN did not have that option. Thus, after three heavy days and nights of fighting their fleet disintegrated into smaller pockets of ships, who were then easy prey for our roaming fast forces. The last US battleship, the USS New Mexico, was scuttled on January 18th by its own crew to evade capture. The naval power of the USA had ceased to exist."


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Three days after the battle of Cap Hatteras, the British government decided to offer unconditional surrender.
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These terms were swiftly accepted....
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....prompting victory celebrations all over Germany.

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The Peace Treaty, called the Treaty of London, was signed on 2nd February 1937. It was officially called the "Treaty of Peace between His Imperial Majesty the Emperor of Germany and all assorted and associated territories, and His Majesty the King of England, acting on behalf of the former United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland and on behalf of the former British Dominions, associated and assorted territories beyond the Seas, former Emperor of India and all other belligerents."

The terms of the treaty included:
- the dissolution of the British Empire and the United Kingdom
- handing over of all British Navy and merchant vessels (with only Nelson's HMS Victory still afloat, she was towed under great celebration to Wilhelmshaven to be restored for display)
- a prohibition on the former United Kingdom, forbidding it to raise any forces and build any Naval vessels over the next five years
- Freeing Ireland and India
- handing back the asian territories of Hongkong to China and Singapore to the newly released Malaysia
- ending the Overlordship over all British Dominions
- handing all other colonies over to Germany at Germany's pleasure.
- heavy war indemnities, forcing the British to hand over 25% of their tax income over the next five years


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The terms of the treaty included:
- the dissolution of the British Empire and the United Kingdom
- handing over of all British Navy and merchant vessels (with only Nelson's HMS Victory still afloat, she was towed under great celebration to Wilhelmshaven to be restored for display)
- a prohibition on the former United Kingdom, forbidding it to raise any forces and build any Naval vessels over the next five years
- Freeing Ireland and India
- handing back the asian territories of Hongkong to China and Singapore to the newly released Malaysia
- ending the Overlordship over all British Dominions
- handing all other colonies over to Germany at Germany's pleasure.
- heavy war indemnities, forcing the British to hand over 25% of their tax income over the next five years
Ouch, lets hope this doesn't turn into another Versailles.
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Compared to these terms, Versailles was a slap on the fingers.
This is pretty much Versailles and Trianon rolled into one for starters, and then he became creative.

I'd love to see the map, with Small Britain as a minor state sharing the island with their more powerful neighbors.
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It actually is how the game models Versailles. That is why this wargoal is so hard to achieve.

I just threw in some other stuff to embellish it a bit, but the territorial changes, prohibition to raise forces, indemnities and ending overlordship are all just the basic vanilla. Only stuff I added to was the Victory bit.
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Next step, release Scotland and Whales.
It has become clear to me in the previous days that any attempts at reconciliation and explanation with the community here has failed. I have tried my best. I really have. I pored my heart out trying. But it was all for nothing.

You win. There, I have said it.

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Only stuff I added to was the Victory bit.
That was pure spite. It was glorious. :)
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Germany, the great Liberator

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We of course took everything we could get our hands on.

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Our allies in the east offered an alliance. Of course we accepted it, after all the Cossacks are our natural allies...and if they should happen to threaten the Russian flank, we better support them and prop them up.

Let us take a look at the nations we freed from direct British control:
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Ghana

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South Africa

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Australia (who promptly allied with France, the ungrateful gits)

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New Zealand

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India, Tibet and Burma (Ceylon will be transferred over to us piece by piece).

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Ireland (which already is in our sphere and quickly offered an alliance). We are already heavily subsidizing their efforts to create an Army and Navy and have lots of "advisors" in their armed forces.

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...and finally Britain, now having almost no prestige, only 15k troops and - most amusing of all - being in the French sphere of influence.

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We, of course, stood triumphant.

How does the transfer of a colony work? Well, over the course of a year or so, mini-events will fire. These look like this:
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If you accept, you get a province. If not, the process stops. After a year or so, the transfer was complete.

What shall we do with the colonies? Well, we have to figure it out on our own, because....
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...our glorious chancellor, who was the leader of the Social Democratic party, retired.

From "A political history of the German Empire", by Thomas Nipperdey, Munich 1954
"The question arose now what to do with the new Colonies. After all, Germany now ruled directly over large parts of Africa, the Caribbean and Asian colonies. Keeping the asian and Caribbean colonies was not a question of debate - after all, they could be changed into full-fledged member states with little effort. However, the question was what to do with the african colonies.
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One option was to start a campaign of ethnic cleansing and forced Germanization. While doable, the German Empire chose to go a different route.
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For the first time in history, a colonial nation decided to free its colonies. What was even more important was that the German Empire did so not according to the former administrative divisions enforced by the British, but by tribal ethnicity, thereby creating stable - if smaller - nations.
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The first colony released was Nyasaland....
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...followed by Zambia....
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...Togo...
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...Mossi, Bambara, Wassina and Wattera...
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...and Sierra Leone as well as many more, smaller states. Most of those states decided to pursue a close relationship with the liberating power, while in some regrettable cases heavily persecuting the British minority."


As a result of our liberations, the middle East and Northern Africa now looked like this:
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...and South Africa like this:
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Note that we ourselves have no colonies anymore, seeing as how even our African territories are full-fledged member states now.

However, just as Africa was enjoying its new freedom under German protection, devastating news arrived from the east:
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Damn. Historically, this was the greatest catastrophe before the Second World war, with the death toll being in the tens of millions. This civil war, unmatched in its brutality and ferocity, turned China from a regional power that was successfully modernizing into a carcass on which the neighbours feasted. (Historical note 2: This war also saved Krupp from bankruptcy after it was forbidden to build weapons for the German Army. No problem, just build them for the chinese market. And the Chinese hired tons of German advisors, making one even the defacto commander of the Chinese army. The German influence went so far that the most effective Chinese divisions were organized according to German models and it was those divisions that eventually bled the Japanese dry. It was one of Hitler's typical blunders that he threw his lot in with the Japanese instead of the Chinese.)
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In any case, China fractured and war soon began.

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Meanwhile, we continued our naval research.

Let us take a look at the Great Powers of the world:
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We are by far the strongest, yet not at the point where the others could not beat us even if they banded together.

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Meanwhile, Germany became more and more the preferred nation of immigrants, including - paradoxically - many from Britain, fleeing the hunger and war damage there.

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New elections were called, which the conservative party (The Christian Socialist Labour Party) won. Well, conservative in the sense that they believe in a King, otherwise their program is more social-liberal than anything else.

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With our naval research complete...
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...we decided to focus on peace technologies once again, especially better infrastructure.

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Hmmm...Immigrants from Britain "enriching" our culture? Well.....we'll allow it.

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Surprise misogyny.

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Japan entered the fray in China and made the Manchurian faction their puppet.

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Can't imagine this will ever become useful for us.

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Hah. Another European nation has seen the light.

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After colonizing this land, we decided to immediately free it and make it a sovereign nation.

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Industry, Industry, Industry. MORE INDUSTRY.

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Niiiiiice.

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Meanwhile, we spent a lot of money on improving the defences and naval bases the British ceded to us, for example Gibraltar and Malta.

Why? Well....
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*chatters excitedly*

Meanwhile, the US got it in their head that they need to organize a crisis to force our satellite (The Netherlands) to release some of their territory to a US client.
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After a stern talking to by our ambassador during which the words "Cape Hatteras" featured prominently they meekly apologised.

Meanwhile, the UK suffered greatly from the loss of their captive markets and the imposed war damages. As a result, their industry shrank from 1046 to a mere 651 within a year, thus triggering the following:
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Invade them to make them pay their debts? Nah. I think we can come up with something more creative.

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Good, good. We definitely need a global wireless network and better battleships.

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Meanwhile, in Britain, a party alliance between the fascists, reactionaries and conservatives started a civil war. We did not intervene. (Though look how huge the Irish army has become).

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The war in China rages on, with neither side making significant gains except the Japanese. To oppose them, we decided to sponsor the Beijing and Anhui factions.

Romania, which had fallen under fascist control again, committed the same mistake again:
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This time, the war did not even take two months before order was restored. We shall not abide a fascist state as our neighbour.


TL, DR: Released former British colonies, killed fascists, browbeat USA. Britain and China are both a huge mess now.

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Why would you release land when you could have conquered the world?
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You win. There, I have said it.

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Not sure how the game works it, but in EU-IV you had overextension that gave you nasty penalties if you took too much land at once. That gave you an incentive to vassalize instead of immediately annex, or release a nation that will become your ally (and annex later).
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Purple wrote:Why would you release land when you could have conquered the world?
Because I am already busy integrating the slavic nations, I do not need millions of african colonies. Besides, colonies are unnecessary at this point.

And it would fit the story, for Germany was already fed up with its colonies in the 1910s.

EDIT: And what would be the point of grabbing africa anyway for a nation that is moving into the economy of the 50s?
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So, after a point, the game becomes less about managing risk and resources, and more "world domination tour?"
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Do you have a point that you want to call it a day at? It seems like there's no challenges left.
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Re: [Vic2 LP] How Bismarck got his herring - game thread

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^I'll play until the end of the timeline, which is 1949.


Highlord Laan wrote:So, after a point, the game becomes less about managing risk and resources, and more "world domination tour?"
If you play a great power, possibly. Much, much less so if you are a secondary power.
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Highlord Laan wrote:So, after a point, the game becomes less about managing risk and resources, and more "world domination tour?"
That's basically true with every Paradox game I've ever seen. You have a struggle phase where you are struggling to get to the same league as the big players, a phase where you are about equal with them and after that a mop up phase where it's you vs the game timer for world domination. Your choice of starting nation than effects the relative duration of these three.
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Re: [Vic2 LP] How Bismarck got his herring - game thread

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The Irish Revenge

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We invented modern power generation and focused next on modern metallurgy.

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The bloody civil war in China claimed its first victim.
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It looks very much like the Anhui clique, which is one of the two states sponsored by us, will be victorious. Good. Also, Siam is very much a huge regional power now. However, we do not have much to fear from them.

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Meanwhile, thanks to our Assimilation policies, Elsaß-Lothringen is now 3/4ths German.

It was now time to ensure our relations with Scandinavia and cement our position here. Of special importance was that the Kiel Canal was now too large for our new Superdreadnoughts and that we needed bases for subs and air forces against the USA, which Greenland was unable to provide.
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So it was decided to turn Iceland and Denmark into a permanent part of Germany.

Meanwhile, the USA and France likewise took steps to ensure their alliance was strong.
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While they were busy celebrating, we took concrete steps.

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We also took Jutland from Denmark.

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Modern Chemistry was next to provide ever more materials for the German Industry which reached new record highs.

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By now our Army was so large that we did not even need to pull troops from the French frontier. We can probably now fight - and win - a three front war. We have a standing army of over 700 brigades, meaning over 2.1 million professional soldiers.
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Norway became a puppet and Denmark was completely annexed in this war.

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Another state became a voluntary member of our sphere of influence.

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Wait, what?
Hmmm.
Let me bring up this ditty again:

Looks like the Irish tried to turn the lyrics into reality.
"To sweep the English enemy
From hill and glen and vale,
And in your name, oh holy dead,
Our sacred debt to pay."
And now the English army was indeed swept, for the Irish Army was larger and the Irish were willing to fight, unlike the demoralized, demobilized and de-industrialized British.

While this was going on, the peoples of the German Empire celebrated their freedom:
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The war in China rages on.

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By September the Irish, though they lost nearly half their army in battling the British, were in control of their wargoals. The Irish Navy completely blockaded the Irish Sea, as the British Navy had ceased to exist after the Treaty of London.
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By October the Irish had pushed further south, while we had invented another useful technology.
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Mechanized manufacturing was the last technology that was missing for us to complete all possible Industrial research.

However, we were not intending to use weapons without talking things over first. Thus, we called for a Franco-German Summit to discuss all political problems.
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Unfortunately the summit made little progress. Well, time to go back to using more Bismarckian methods then.
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"The great questions of the day will not be settled by means of speeches and majority decisions but by iron and blood." - Otto von Bismarck.
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Well France, maybe you should have sent some troops there, eh?

Meanwhile, in Great Britain:
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As the Irish neared London, the British promptly surrendered, not wanting to face the wrath of the people they had oppressed, starved and humiliated for centuries.

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Meanwhile, while our troops were readying themselves, news came in from the east. The Japanese had scored a great success.
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It was clear that a showdown between the Anhui and the Japanese was inevitable.

Meanwhile, we decided to take pity on the British and offer them our support.
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A quick intervention secured their assent.
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The new British/Irish borders are so much prettier, aren't they? Maybe we will force the British to cede the Highlands to the Irish too. Or maybe not. We will see.

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We researched all available industrial technologies.
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Time to focus on commerce next. Globalized markets are the way to go for our nation.
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We reached the highest levels of industry.
And with our troops in the east- and the Cossacks - ready, it was time.
The final showdown with the Grand coalition of USA, France, Russia and Italy could start.


TL, DR:
- Irish got their bloody revenge on the Brits
- HERE WE GO


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I can't help but be bemused at the fact that Thanas is playing Germany in a way that would make every Teutonophobe of the last 100+ years look prophetic. :twisted: :P
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Steve wrote:I can't help but be bemused at the fact that Thanas is playing Germany in a way that would make every Teutonophobe of the last 100+ years look prophetic. :twisted: :P
And yet....still not the worst nation in the game. :P
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*Disgruntled British mumbling intensifies*
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Chimaera wrote:*Disgruntled British mumbling intensifies*
I'm sorry. Next LP I do will probably feature Perfidious Albion.
EDIT: Or maybe a secondary power or a merchant repiblic. Haven't decided yet.
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Thanas wrote:
Chimaera wrote:*Disgruntled British mumbling intensifies*
I'm sorry. Next LP I do will probably feature Perfidious Albion.
EDIT: Or maybe a secondary power or a merchant repiblic. Haven't decided yet.
How about Spain? Start at the extreme West and see how far East you can march.

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Thanas wrote:
Steve wrote:I can't help but be bemused at the fact that Thanas is playing Germany in a way that would make every Teutonophobe of the last 100+ years look prophetic. :twisted: :P
And yet....still not the worst nation in the game. :P
Well, it's not like I haven't spread the Stars and Stripes across the globe in my playthroughs.... although ironically Germany is the one European state I have yet to rip into in any of my Vic 2 playthroughs. Given how often Germany forms late, and only after I've kicked France around... :P

And 1949? My POP Demand playthrough ended in 1935....

Also... I should look to see if the Flags mod was redone for Vic2. Vic 1 Revolutions had it and it was awesome, especially with the ahistoric US flags (stars from the twenties, the historic 1836 flag, all the way to 79 stars for a US that rules all of North America) and the "satellite" flags for when European countries get satellited by other European powers.
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Thanas wrote:EDIT: Or maybe a secondary power or a merchant repiblic. Haven't decided yet.
Uniting Germany is only the beginning. What about Italy, or Japan, or India?
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Anyway, herring would hardly be sufficient to feed Bismarck, the thing eats entire floating islands after all... oh, wait, sorry. Wrong Bismarck. I was thinking about this Bismarck.

http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Bismarck

Mostly because I kicked his ass. 8) :mrgreen:
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