[HH-STGOD] Discussion thread

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2003-08-18 05:07pm

Slightly OT, but did anyone already read Crown of Slaves?
Just thinking about buying the webscription...

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-08-18 07:22pm

Dahak wrote:Technically, I would think Paxton and Givens knew what they were talking about

They were working with in the limits of their knowledge. If Bolthole had been able to build that many ships and at a rate approaching anything like Manticore, they would have buried the Alliance. Remember they seem to be assuming those ships were built short term and at once rather than being long term construction.

Dahak wrote:Basically, I had already redused those 300 SD(P)s under construction to 250, would 200 be acceptable? I really wouldn't like to go any much lower...

Two hundred seems like a fair deal to me provided you keep the construction rates reasonable. Deal?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-08-18 07:23pm

Dahak wrote:Slightly OT, but did anyone already read Crown of Slaves?
Just thinking about buying the webscription...

I haven't read it. It comes out next month so I haven't bought it yet. I always preferred real books to e-books.

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2003-08-18 07:26pm

Stormbringer wrote:
Dahak wrote:Slightly OT, but did anyone already read Crown of Slaves?
Just thinking about buying the webscription...
I haven't read it. It comes out next month so I haven't bought it yet. I always preferred real books to e-books.

Technically, I do, too.
But after that rip-off that was WoH, I just decided that I don't need the anthologies and the ilk on paper.
And besides, getting it for 5 bucks is nice, too

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2003-08-18 07:28pm

Stormbringer wrote:
Dahak wrote:Technically, I would think Paxton and Givens knew what they were talking about
They were working with in the limits of their knowledge. If Bolthole had been able to build that many ships and at a rate approaching anything like Manticore, they would have buried the Alliance. Remember they seem to be assuming those ships were built short term and at once rather than being long term construction.

Dahak wrote:Basically, I had already redused those 300 SD(P)s under construction to 250, would 200 be acceptable? I really wouldn't like to go any much lower...
Two hundred seems like a fair deal to me provided you keep the construction rates reasonable. Deal?

Well, I didn't intend to build 300 ships in one month

But it should be reasonable to keep the pipe full, until I reach my intended size...
But how are we to determine how much time has passed, and how many ships have been finished?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-08-18 07:31pm

Dahak wrote:Well, I didn't intend to build 300 ships in one month
But it should be reasonable to keep the pipe full, until I reach my intended size...
But how are we to determine how much time has passed, and how many ships have been finished?

I didn't think you did. Basically the way to determine it is to look at how the games going. Best way to do it is to use a rough estimate from the events of the story.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-08-18 11:00pm

Best estimate I had for Bolthole was that they could build 100 SoS-class ships per year, along with an unknown numbers of CLACs. They were building roughly 25/quarter, based on the estimate Foraker gave Theisman of how many could be ready at the time he was going to have to reveal the existence of Bolthole.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-08-19 03:49pm

Any one know what happened to Thirdfain and consequences? It's kind of stalled with out them.

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2003-08-19 05:53pm

Stormbringer wrote:Any one know what happened to Thirdfain and consequences? It's kind of stalled with out them.

Dunno...
Hope they'll be back again soon

Otherwise I'll just attack Manticore <ggg>

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-08-19 08:25pm

geez, sorry, massive internet problems on base. Will update with estimated construction.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-08-19 08:37pm

Dahak wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:Any one know what happened to Thirdfain and consequences? It's kind of stalled with out them.
Dunno...
Hope they'll be back again soon
Otherwise I'll just attack Manticore <ggg>

Not if I beat you to it.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-08-19 08:49pm

Sure, if you want the Sollies to pick up all the pieces.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-08-19 09:03pm

Hey, Dahak, I missed it until now but try to remember there's a communications lag for any news.

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2003-08-20 07:14pm

As I'm just reading through Crown of Slaves, I have to tell you that there's an awful lot of information to be salvaged from there.
A bit about SOlarians, but more so about Erewhon. They've got quite the history

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-08-20 11:55pm

Dahak wrote:As I'm just reading through Crown of Slaves, I have to tell you that there's an awful lot of information to be salvaged from there.
A bit about SOlarians, but more so about Erewhon. They've got quite the history

Care to share any of it?

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2003-08-21 05:58am

Well, haven't finished it so far, but what I read so far is:
Erewhon was founded by thieves and gangsters, so they can "launder money".
They're governed by a group of "noble" families and don't really have much of a real democracy or "real" free press. But they are a highly egalitarian society.

They are also politically very pragmatic, guided by Realpolitik. Unlike Anderman, who pursues his goal more militarily, Erewhonese prefer arrangements and more sublte decisions. That's also why they weren't building up their military with the same fervor as the Graysons.
They also greatly value promises (a deal's a deal is one of their major sayings), so they were really pissed with Manticore when the new government didn't follow its promises.

Another observation is that the Solarian League is so much a powder keg waiting to explode, especially the outer fringes and protectorates. It's really brewing in those...

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-08-21 08:18pm

Serious question, is Beowulf paticipating?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-08-21 08:30pm

consequences wrote:Serious question, is Beowulf paticipating?

I don't know. Doesn't look like either he and Kyle are. GAT is a maybe.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-08-21 08:49pm

Of course, it is slightly difficult to do any serious interaction when there is an unresolved battle going on, and you don't know how that's going to affect everything yet. Hell, I'm not even sure if I know about the Talbott cluster by this point.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-08-21 08:53pm

consequences wrote:Of course, it is slightly difficult to do any serious interaction when there is an unresolved battle going on, and you don't know how that's going to affect everything yet. Hell, I'm not even sure if I know about the Talbott cluster by this point.

If Thirdfain doesn't show up sooner or later we can just decide an outcome. I don't want to hold it all up over that.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-08-21 11:24pm

Dahak wrote:Well, haven't finished it so far, but what I read so far is:
Erewhon was founded by thieves and gangsters, so they can "launder money".
They're governed by a group of "noble" families and don't really have much of a real democracy or "real" free press. But they are a highly egalitarian society.

They are also politically very pragmatic, guided by Realpolitik. Unlike Anderman, who pursues his goal more militarily, Erewhonese prefer arrangements and more sublte decisions. That's also why they weren't building up their military with the same fervor as the Graysons.
They also greatly value promises (a deal's a deal is one of their major sayings), so they were really pissed with Manticore when the new government didn't follow its promises.

Another observation is that the Solarian League is so much a powder keg waiting to explode, especially the outer fringes and protectorates. It's really brewing in those...

*Grumble* Sounds like I need to buy the book as soon as possible. Time to talk to the Barnes & Noble people on campus (or maybe the Library...they bought WoH).

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-08-21 11:26pm

Stormbringer wrote:
consequences wrote:Serious question, is Beowulf paticipating?
I don't know. Doesn't look like either he and Kyle are. GAT is a maybe.

Computer problems have been constantly delaying my posts.

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2003-08-22 12:43pm

After finishing Crown of Slaves, there are some more observations

The whole book takes part between the first meeting of Montaigne and Zilwicke (where she gets the idea to de-Countess) and them meeting Lady North Hollow.
In the late third of it we see Honor, just some days before she leaves for Marsh.
The situation between Erewhon and Manticore is a train wreck at this time, and one would've to move hell and heaven to get them on a pro-Manticore side.

And the SL really *is* just about to explode. Given some outside pressure, like for instance a war, or some time, they'll break at the seams and plunge themselves in a civil war...

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-08-25 06:27pm

Is there anyone still interested in this game or have we lost too many people?

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-08-25 06:37pm

Still here *starts singing Cumbaya*