[HH-STGOD] Discussion thread

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2003-09-25 01:33pm

Stormbringer wrote:Dahak,

EW & ECM aren't detection systems. EW stands for Electronic Warfare and ECM is Electronic Countermeasures.

I assume you mean that radar and lidar have gone active and full power.

I know that!

But EW makes my fleet tougher to hit, which is the whole point for EW...

And radar and lidar are active the whole time. Wouldn't be fun without those really.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-09-25 01:34pm

Dahak wrote:I know that!

But EW makes my fleet tougher to hit, which is the whole point for EW...

And radar and lidar are active the whole time. Wouldn't be fun without those really.

Yes, EW does make it tougher to get a lock as does ECM. But with Radar and Lidar on active you've essentially little yourself up like a christmas tree. It's going to be hard to miss you that way.

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2003-09-25 01:40pm

Stormbringer wrote:
Dahak wrote:I know that!

But EW makes my fleet tougher to hit, which is the whole point for EW...

And radar and lidar are active the whole time. Wouldn't be fun without those really.
Yes, EW does make it tougher to get a lock as does ECM. But with Radar and Lidar on active you've essentially little yourself up like a christmas tree. It's going to be hard to miss you that way.

Currently, we *are* already as stealthy as a bantha in a porcelaine shop, so it does not matter.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-09-25 03:28pm

How many BB have we detected with the Mesan main body in orbit?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-09-25 03:32pm

So far, aside from the twelve, none. The entire capital fleet is in the system. Ships of the wall in orbit, the rest (along with some escorts) are in the outer system.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-09-25 03:34pm

Okay, and how many fortresses?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-09-25 03:35pm

consequences wrote:Okay, and how many fortresses?

Damn, I thought you had included them in the OOB.

Hmm, call it fifteen of them plus orbitally deployed missle batteries and guns. Hardened of course.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-09-25 03:38pm

Sorry about that, I completely forgot about fortresses when putting it together.

Remaining major forces include 48 battleships, 17 superdreadnoughts, and 8 dreadnoughts.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-09-25 03:41pm

consequences wrote:Sorry about that, I completely forgot about fortresses when putting it together.

Remaining major forces include 48 battleships, 17 superdreadnoughts, and 8 dreadnoughts.

I figured. It's not that important for the big mutlisystem power but for a single world, big time important.

That fits with my count.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-09-26 12:56pm

Dahak, ships can't turn on their long acess that fast. It takes a superdreadnaught something like five-ten minutes to do that. That's why capping the T works. There's no way they could have interposed wedges.

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2003-09-26 01:01pm

Stormbringer wrote:Dahak, ships can't turn on their long acess that fast. It takes a superdreadnaught something like five-ten minutes to do that. That's why capping the T works. There's no way they could have interposed wedges.

They can try.
And that's what they've done.
And how you got that fleet behind the other fleet is interesting, as well.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-09-26 01:03pm

Dahak wrote:They can try.
And that's what they've done.
And how you got that fleet behind the other fleet is interesting, as well.

They can try but wouldn't even come close.

Simple, the BBs and such were at the edge of the system and snuck in under stealth. I told you guys the rough lay out of the Mesan forces at the start.

You charged in which gave me a perfect oppurtunity.

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2003-09-26 01:06pm

Stormbringer wrote:
Dahak wrote:They can try.
And that's what they've done.
And how you got that fleet behind the other fleet is interesting, as well.
They can try but wouldn't even come close.

Simple, the BBs and such were at the edge of the system and snuck in under stealth. I told you guys the rough lay out of the Mesan forces at the start.

You charged in which gave me a perfect oppurtunity.

Even an SD can turn enough to deny you a down the throat shot. It doesn't need to turn by all that much, given wedge and sideall geometry.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-09-26 01:20pm

Dahak wrote:Even an SD can turn enough to deny you a down the throat shot. It doesn't need to turn by all that much, given wedge and sideall geometry.

Actually, it does to deny a wide open shot. The whole ass end is open all the way and it take a good long while to turn enough to deny a clean shot.

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2003-09-26 01:36pm

Actually no, since the Sidewall extends all the way 10 km aft, so all you do is turn enough (not that far), and interpose your sidewall.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-09-26 01:43pm

Dahak wrote:Actually no, since the Sidewall extends all the way 10 km aft, so all you do is turn enough (not that far), and interpose your sidewall.

Yes and no. The big problem is that you still have a massive open space that is half blocked by the wall. And of Superdreanaught is wallowing pig of a vessel. It takes them quite a while to execute such manuvery, let alone do it in formation.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-09-27 03:23pm

A few things that have occurred:

1: LACs have been able to control missile pods before, reference, Sidemore, six LAC squadron, pods left with them to garrison against Warnecke remnants. This pretty much kills the whole lack of control/uplinks argument, as those LAC were of the generation before Shrikes even came into existence.

2: It is slightly difficult to believe that all of the detached BB forces would choose to stand and die, when they could scarper off and be the meanest pirate force the galaxy has seen in generations, especcially given that attempting to attack will pretty much result in near-certain death.

3: Remember that if the BBs are not in orbit, then your SD =Fortress contingent is more than slightly outgunned.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-09-29 10:21am

What happened?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-09-29 10:24am

1: LACs have been able to control missile pods before, reference, Sidemore, six LAC squadron, pods left with them to garrison against Warnecke remnants. This pretty much kills the whole lack of control/uplinks argument, as those LAC were of the generation before Shrikes even came into existence.

Yes, they did. The same as anything with a missle launcher could have. The problem is they have a very limited number of data channels compared with even a destroyer let alone an Invictus Pod Superdreadnaught. As I recall those LACs could handle maybe a pod or two at any one time.

2: It is slightly difficult to believe that all of the detached BB forces would choose to stand and die, when they could scarper off and be the meanest pirate force the galaxy has seen in generations, especcially given that attempting to attack will pretty much result in near-certain death.

3: Remember that if the BBs are not in orbit, then your SD =Fortress contingent is more than slightly outgunned.

Yes, I'm aware of both of those. Don't worry.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-09-29 08:11pm

And my apologies, once my vacation expired, my computer access once more has become nil. Telling off the one guy I could lean on for internet access because he's a disgrace to the uniform probably didn't help either.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-09-30 03:37pm

Don't worry about it. My access has gone south as well.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-09-30 03:42pm

Dahak, you just got your T crossed by a fairly heft fleet. You'd lose or at least have damage to more than a few piddling escorts.

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2003-09-30 07:29pm

Stormbringer wrote:Dahak, you just got your T crossed by a fairly heft fleet. You'd lose or at least have damage to more than a few piddling escorts.

Well, since you didn't specify either how large the fleet, or how large the salvo was, I can only guess.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-09-30 08:47pm

Dahak wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:Dahak, you just got your T crossed by a fairly heft fleet. You'd lose or at least have damage to more than a few piddling escorts.
Well, since you didn't specify either how large the fleet, or how large the salvo was, I can only guess.

I did specify them, nineteem Battleships and eleven battlcruiser.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-09-30 08:49pm

Dahak wrote:But your Mesan fleet will take damage, too. Even while you roll, the missile still can meneuvre, and I got a "hefty" salvo myself launched...

And please keep OoC stuff here.