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...So THAT'S why I thought I heard "concession accepted!" that one time my KV-3 blew up...

Well, I just finished grinding the engine on my T-54 and I have to say that's one of the most pleasant grinds I've ever had. I'm really looking forward to next patch because then I'll have an excuse to grind my tier nine mediums. I guess till then I'll be trying to grind a 13 90 into a batchat. I really can't wait to see what happens in clan wars though. That's going to be fun with mediums and TDs worthy of being mainstays rather than specialists.

xthetenth wrote:Yep, the M103 is an absolutely dirty sniping tank if it can find a good position. It's got weaknesses up close but they get a lot less pronounced at long range.

... And I just got the second 120mm gun. Hot damn, it's super accurate even on the move. It really makes the M103 feel like a medium now.

I've been caught calling it the Fatton from time to time. It really does feel that way. Just wait till you get the T110, that thing's beast. Moves better, has serious front armor except for the actually not that big cupola and tiny lower hull, and gets even more out of that gun. Plus, it's a clan wars mainstay if you want to try that whole schtick out.

xthetenth wrote:I've been caught calling it the Fatton from time to time. It really does feel that way. Just wait till you get the T110, that thing's beast. Moves better, has serious front armor except for the actually not that big cupola and tiny lower hull, and gets even more out of that gun. Plus, it's a clan wars mainstay if you want to try that whole schtick out.

LOL, Fatton's a nice way of putting it. Should I expect a lot when the engine gets upgraded?

I just might start to try clanning once I get the T110, albeit my ping is kinda horrid (200+) due to being in the Philippines.

Maybe this will signal the slow demise of World of Heavy Tanks?

Nah, I don't have that much faith in people.

Hawkwings wrote:Maybe this will signal the slow demise of World of Heavy Tanks?

Nah, I don't have that much faith in people.

Wait for the Batchat to become Tier X .

Zinegata wrote:

xthetenth wrote:I've been caught calling it the Fatton from time to time. It really does feel that way. Just wait till you get the T110, that thing's beast. Moves better, has serious front armor except for the actually not that big cupola and tiny lower hull, and gets even more out of that gun. Plus, it's a clan wars mainstay if you want to try that whole schtick out.

LOL, Fatton's a nice way of putting it. Should I expect a lot when the engine gets upgraded?

I just might start to try clanning once I get the T110, albeit my ping is kinda horrid (200+) due to being in the Philippines.

The engine's a good boost for sure. I never really drove my M103 because I ground through the T34, but I seem to remember it accelerating not badly at all for a heavy, and that'd bring it really close to the T110's power to weight ratio, and that really accelerates well. As far as I know, ping isn't that much of an issue, two of the better drivers in my clan can't make it to many matches because they're in Finland, but when they show they get taken every time because they're really good, and considering we've got two and a half divisions and two sister clans it's not like we're hurting for people. It's not really about the ping as much as it is player skill. If you've got a reasonable amount of tanking skill, can listen to and execute orders and are a good guy (I'm gonna go with a yes here) you shouldn't have much trouble finding a clan. I'm not sure what your schedule is, but if you're in the Philippines, you might want to go with a clan in Western Europe because of timezones. You'll have to check the clan wars map to see if that's the case, just click on a province to see when battles happening there happen, it should be converted to your timezone automatically. Right now the main players are mostly running half full second (or in our case fourth) divisions/clans, so you might very well be able to find a spot with one of those.

Hawkwings wrote:Maybe this will signal the slow demise of World of Heavy Tanks?

Nah, I don't have that much faith in people.

In clan wars? Yes. The most used heavies are the T110 and IS-7, and that's because they're reasonably quick. The Foch's been getting play pretty much every night someone has one, and the T10 version looks to be amazing. If the US ones can take over the T95's job but do it with more speed, I can definitely see them supplementing the Maus in defensive positions, or maybe the E-100 JagdBoomstick. Cityfights and spearheading are still mostly going to be heavies, but they'll definitely have flanking groups of mediums, and TDs will see a lot of use when there's open firing arcs to be had. I think pubs will still be a bit biased towards heavies but they're forgiving so it's pretty reasonable.

Oh, and yes, the batchat at tier ten is going to see a lot of play. It already is one of two scouting options, it'll probably see even more use after the buffs.

Once I'm done grinding to the T1, I was planning on going back to the mediums...which do you guys recomend? I've gotten about the same amount of XP for both the PzIII and the A-20, and I'm not sure if I should go for the PzIII/IV or the T-34 first.

In other words which tank will I enjoy more?

EDIT: And on that note...which tech tree would I enjoy more? The PzIII/IV tree, or the T-34 tree?

Skywalker_T-65 wrote:EDIT: And on that note...which tech tree would I enjoy more? The PzIII/IV tree, or the T-34 tree?

Russian tanks are better if you like to go balls-to-the-wall, charge in there, and get people at close range from the flanks. German tanks are better if you prefer to stand off and snipe.

Darth Wong wrote:

Skywalker_T-65 wrote:EDIT: And on that note...which tech tree would I enjoy more? The PzIII/IV tree, or the T-34 tree?

Russian tanks are better if you like to go balls-to-the-wall, charge in there, and get people at close range from the flanks. German tanks are better if you prefer to stand off and snipe.

Hmm...I have noticed that with the tanks I do have. The PzIII and A-20 are both light tanks, but the former has a much better gun, while the latter is much faster. I think I'll go for the German tree first. Too many people charge in as is, and I'm one of the few who actually has the brains to guard the base, so it might be better to go for the sniper tanks first.

Darth Wong wrote:

Skywalker_T-65 wrote:EDIT: And on that note...which tech tree would I enjoy more? The PzIII/IV tree, or the T-34 tree?

Russian tanks are better if you like to go balls-to-the-wall, charge in there, and get people at close range from the flanks. German tanks are better if you prefer to stand off and snipe.

This is mostly true but each nation has it's own peculiarities or tanks that just don't fit in. But you specified the Panzer VS the T-34 tree and it very much is sniping VS flanking. You can Pen a lot of stuff with that L/70.


The Panzer IV with the doghouse turret is an amazing Tier 6 and below fighter. You can go hull down somewhere and as long as arty is not murdering you be an amazing turret and block entire advances by yourself. Meanwhile the T-34 needs the 57mm gun for best penetration/damage per second and stay mobile. In a high end Tier 8 and below fight your going to need to seek out the tank destroyers to find a tank you can kill easily, arty and TD are best but you can fight most Tier 7 and below mediums but remember facing. Hold your fire until your facing directly on, 120mm penetration drops to a lot less when your at a 45 degree angle.

It's got to be said, I'm finding less and less incentive to actually play the game these days. I'm pretty sure the T10 meds and TDs are going to suck the last hints of fun out of just tooling around in pub matches by virtue of being utterly stupid. I mean, fuck me, the bloody T110 is bad enough.

Oh well. I'll warm up my EU account when the UK tanks come around at least.

Darth Wong wrote:Russian tanks are better if you like to go balls-to-the-wall, charge in there, and get people at close range from the flanks.

This is more true of the heavies but I think the mediums, particularly between the T-34 and the T-43 take a little more careful play - they don't really have the armor to lead a charge, but they do very well following one in and supporting a frontal attack from a little behind the front line until gaps open up that you can exploit for flanking attacks. Then you rush in and tear people up from the sides. It took me a while to really internalize this on the T-43 and until then it was pretty brutal.

As for the German tanks, the Panzer III/IV I think actually plays a bit similarly, but it has moderately better front armor and a slightly worse gun. I might have to go back and play it some day since I didn't enjoy it the first time I tried it but I might be able to do better the second time around. German mediums are a bit muddled though because there are less obvious connections between tank playstyles. The Panther plays like the Panzer IV; the VK 3002 DB plays like the III/IV and the 3601(H) doesn't really play like any of those, so be careful. They can all be rewarding tanks though if you can manage to figure them out.

I might suggest the T-34 first though since I had a lot more fun playing that than I did the Pz III/IV. Just make sure you get the 57mm gun on it.

Vanas wrote:It's got to be said, I'm finding less and less incentive to actually play the game these days. I'm pretty sure the T10 meds and TDs are going to suck the last hints of fun out of just tooling around in pub matches by virtue of being utterly stupid. I mean, fuck me, the bloody T110 is bad enough.

As far as I know, the T10 mediums are as a whole not going to be much better armored than the T9 versions (batchat and E-50 are the same, Patton more armored, T-62A less armored). The guns might be a little bit more impressive, but I'm not sure by how much. The T110's probably going to stay the best downtiering tank around. The TDs are still vulnerable to being outflanked and arty and all their other problems. Plus the tier nines are going to get nerfed down to actually being tier nine.

Man, I really should try out German tanks since sniping is kind of my thing, but I can't bring myself to drive Nazi deathboxes.

And yeah, I know it's stupid, since you end up fighting alongside them in...all the matches

The American tanks aren't that bad of snipers either. At least the line I'm using (the heavy line) is somewhat good. I've only gotten to the Lee though, so I don't know about higher tier ones.

Yeah, I'm trying for murrican heavies, but grinding tens of thousands of exp is kinda annoying at this point

Oh don't I know it. The Lee is a good tank, but I need to grind a lot to get even the T1 heavy. Plus I refuse to spend money for gold...so I have to get credits the old fashioned way.

Skywalker_T-65 wrote:Oh don't I know it. The Lee is a good tank, but I need to grind a lot to get even the T1 heavy. Plus I refuse to spend money for gold...so I have to get credits the old fashioned way.

The T1 Heavy is crap. It's just a Sherman with a bigger fatter body: same gun. From the Lee, I suggest you get the Sherman, then the Jumbo Sherman. From there, you can choose to go to the heavy or medium line, or both.

The T1 has more credible frontal armor than the Sherman; this makes a difference in some situations. Of course, it makes up for it in a lot of other places by having big targetable flanks.

Simon_Jester wrote:The T1 has more credible frontal armor than the Sherman; this makes a difference in some situations. Of course, it makes up for it in a lot of other places by having big targetable flanks.

If one really wants to enjoy the T1 experience, he can always get the M6 from the Jumbo Sherman: the M6 is so similar to the T1 that it is visually almost indistinguishable, even at close range.

I'm probably going to go to the Sherman after all anyway. I don't have the money to spend on gold (and from there, get more credits) so it would take an obscene amount of time to build up enough money for the T1, and still have a backup supply. The Sherman is at least 100 grand cheaper (I think) so I'll go for it first and move from there.

And thanks for the advice...I need to pay more attention to the tech tree if I can just skip the T1 like that.

EDIT: Speaking of tech trees...looked at that link posted on the last page...the US tree has captured Japanese tanks? When did that happen? I assume that they are premium when they do pop up right?

The Jumbo Sherman is a great tank, in the right situations it'll print steel walls like crazy, such wonderful turret armour and frontal too.

As has been said, the second turret and highest gun arn't worth it on it, at all, speeds a bit lacking, but hey if it's being used as a stepping stone into Heavies then it's a good trainer.

Just started the French tanks today myself, my god I love the Hotchkiss H35, 3 matches and I have 2 Steel Walls already, one of which where I got detracked while the enemy were pushign us back from thier base, so I was stuck capturing thier point while my team was cut down around me, leaving jsut me vs half the team and they just didn't have the guns to kill me, it was hilarious fun.

That happened to me with the AMX 40 once. I was literally the last tank, and somehow snuck past the half their team they had left, and captured their base. The only tanks they had nearby had too small of guns to hurt me, so it was one of the few times that tank has won me a match on its own.