Re: World of Warcraft: Legion
Posted: 2016-10-02 10:43pm
Yeah, quit your bitchin' - some of us are quite happy playing the game these days. If you hate it that much /ragequit.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woDjWnR9NnsTheFeniX wrote:What is this, the fucking hugbox? In a thread titled "World of Warcraft: Legion," I give detailed posts (good and bad) about the current Lore, Mechanics, and issues with Blizzard's content in "World of Warcraft: Legion" and I get back "u mad, bro." Even worse: quoting my entire post when your post could have just been "FeniX, you fucking suck" and I wouldn't have to scroll through my own post twice on my phone. Or (OR) you could have just ignored it and posted something constructive because at least I'm talking about the game and not just saying "I'm having fun."
Did this somehow turn into the General Discussion forum on B.net? Because the preceding paragraph fits that place perfectly and I don't post there for good reason. You guys want a downvote system? We can just pull out all the stops.
But hey, the Class Halls matter a whole lot to Blizzard until it would actually make sense for them to matter such as Warriors and Death Knights who should want Sylvannas dead, faction or no faction.
How about this, I've always found a level of polish in WoW and Blizzard's games. So let's take some cheap-shots:
1. Mobs falling through map geometry, sometimes targetable, sometimes not. Even if targettable, definitely not lootable (I'll bet my Legendary was in there: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!).
2. Mobs Evading for zero reason.
3. "Retrieving Item Information....."
and actually quite a few more, three I'm listing (among others) known about since beta. I run into these issues on a basis that I'm not comfortable with seeing out of a Blizzard product.
And I get back "I'm having fun" or "I'm happy" which means fucking nothing because it's not an argument. It's a conclusion to one. So, as much as you'd like to think it: I'm not the one shitposting and I'm not going to modify my posting habits just because you seem to have a problem with me in particular, for whatever reason.
Anyways, what I actually came here to post: I read Sindragosa's Fury used to be the baseline Artifact ability for Frost. Man, that fucking sucks to lose and get replaced with passive "mah sward stab teh things." And the Unholy talent is like the perfect idea for the spec and yet they missed the ball so much with Frost and Blood.
Anyone have the reasoning why Belf female shields get smaller when you take them off your back? I don't know if I'm annoyed it happens or if I'm annoyed it DOESN'T happen on Human females. The shield I'm mogging for my new (finally finished farming it) Purple Judgement is the perfect size, but gets tiny when taken off my back. Meanwhile, the Prot Warrior Artifact shield is "XboxHueg" and stays that huge.
Spoilers concerning the Edgelord Illidan questline: Spoiler
A Blood Knight master possesses incredible skill at wielding and weaving the Light in a way that other so-called 'paladins' can never comprehend. It doesn't stop them from despising us for unleashing the Light's true potential.
Ours is the true way of utilizing the Light, <name>. To show others that would call themselves 'paladins' the folly of their ways, I intend to send an unmistakable message.
The Alonsus Chapel, where the Order of the Silver Hand was founded, seems immune to the destruction of Stratholme. The chapel's eternal flame affords it the Light's protection, but when you use this mixture to extinguish the flame, that protection will be no more. It will burn, and our dominion over the Light will be proven to the world.
To be fair, most the major Horde quest-givers are arrogant, warmongering, shitfucks. (Also, why the Hell is Garrosh still in... whatever that mudhut the Faction Lead hangs out in in Org is?)Have you done as I asked and delivered my message? The false paladins of the world must surely know their time has come to an end.
You are mad, bro, it's obvious from the way you delivered your detailed posts. They weren't objective, they were rants.TheFeniX wrote:What is this, the fucking hugbox? In a thread titled "World of Warcraft: Legion," I give detailed posts (good and bad) about the current Lore, Mechanics, and issues with Blizzard's content in "World of Warcraft: Legion" and I get back "u mad, bro."
I was talking about the game when I posted that.Or (OR) you could have just ignored it and posted something constructive because at least I'm talking about the game and not just saying "I'm having fun."
No. Personally, I'd like you to whine a hell of a lot less.You guys want a downvote system? We can just pull out all the stops.
I have no comment to contribute to this because I don't play a warrior and my DK is something like level 83 so not on the Broken Isles yet.But hey, the Class Halls matter a whole lot to Blizzard until it would actually make sense for them to matter such as Warriors and Death Knights who should want Sylvannas dead, faction or no faction.
Problem off and on since vanilla and it's improved over the years.How about this, I've always found a level of polish in WoW and Blizzard's games. So let's take some cheap-shots:
1. Mobs falling through map geometry, sometimes targetable, sometimes not. Even if targettable, definitely not lootable (I'll bet my Legendary was in there: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!).
See above.2. Mobs Evading for zero reason.
I had more problems with that in Draenor. It could also be your computer (mine is about 6 years old and getting marginal for WoW) or the amount of people in the area. Should it happen? No, but none of these three problems are unique to this expansion.3. "Retrieving Item Information....."
I wasn't aware that an argument was required in this thread.And I get back "I'm having fun" or "I'm happy" which means fucking nothing because it's not an argument.
And contributing nothing while doing so since "it's fun" doesn't give any actual information.Broomstick wrote:I was talking about the game when I posted that.
Well, I'd like to you post something worthwhile, but we can't always get what we want.No. Personally, I'd like you to whine a hell of a lot less.
Which totally qualifies you to post on the GD b.net forums with "quit complaining" when a spec (and now nearly an entire class) has been beaten and/or ignored consistently by Blizzard. I don't play a Warlock (at least, not at max, mine is 60), but I don't go around telling Locks to quit bitching when their entire class, some of who mained it since they started playing, is in the trash heap.I have no comment to contribute to this because I don't play a warrior and my DK is something like level 83 so not on the Broken Isles yet.
Played since Wrath through Cata and MoP. The amount of mobs bugging out since this expansion has been out surpasses what I've seen through all three previous expansions. The amount of "WTF is this shit?" has also surpassed all three other expansions combined. Perrex WQ was bugging out across two separate kills on two different characters. On that same night, I aggroed a mob underground and could actually kill it, so I didn't have to run 6 miles to drop combat. This is just one night.Problem off and on since vanilla and it's improved over the years.
You don't like the information I'm offering, throw up a counterpoint, not "you're harshin' my buzz, man." Otherwise, you could ignore it. I was content to ignore your "I'm having fun" bullshit until you finally made it clear you have an issue with me directly. When people say shit I don't like but don't have a counter-argument for: I ignore it because it's just not that hard a thing to do.I wasn't aware that an argument was required in this thread.
Fun isn't an argument, it's something you're supposed to find in entertainment. Saying "It's fun" is no different than saying "It's a Video Game." And Blizzard is losing their customer base. A big part of this is them pushing short-term sales at the expense of retention.And "I'm happy and having fun" is not nothing, it's really everything, because unless someone is having fun Blizzard has no customer base.
For having some of the best music in the expansion (and even the game), Highmountain is just a pain to navigate. And some of the most visually appealing areas have little to do in them. And once you hit 110, Blizz just cops out of the whole "no flying" thing by giving you a whistle on a 5min CD that transports you to to the nearest flight path.- Yay the option for flying to a couple of the new quest-hubs in Highmountain instead of running the gauntlet on the roads.
When you get to 110, the other tweakers you meet are also a good example and your interactions with them show how dieing of mana addiction might have been the better option. But animating has always been solid at WoW HQ. Actually, Blizzard in general. Many of the flavour animations in Heroes of the Storm are top-notch. Chromies intro screen was fantastic and using the Gnome starting area music sold it. Unfortunately, I've found no way to use older intro screens. The Medivh one was "meh"(divh, haha, oh man, that was terrible.....).- Whoever did some of the quests in Val'shaya must have known some tweakers in real life, they've really got the drug addict vibe down. The quest "buddy" constantly scratching/picking at himself and saying he's not an addict but could you please spare some mana dust was nicely done.
Personally, even though I don't play, I still keep up with some of the changes because I want WoW to be good. I just can't justify paying for it when it's not. And I mostly keep up with DK changes because that's my class. The only time I didn't main DK was before the launch of WotLK. The state of DK in general and Frost in particular (since they got the Frostmourne-ish weapons) basically determines whether I'm willing to play.TheFeniX wrote:If someone wanted to come into this thread and write long rants about why Warlocks suck and offer information about mechanical issues: I'd actually love to read that. In fact, my "it's fun" moment has been talking with people in this thread about issues with Frost DKs. I don't know if they've enjoyed it, but I damn sure have.
I hear you, I keep up with WoW even when not subbed just to give myself something to read and see what I'm missing. With WoD, I seemed to have made the right choice. I've always said, I never miss WoW but man do I miss my Death Knight at times.Civil War Man wrote:Personally, even though I don't play, I still keep up with some of the changes because I want WoW to be good. I just can't justify paying for it when it's not. And I mostly keep up with DK changes because that's my class. The only time I didn't main DK was before the launch of WotLK. The state of DK in general and Frost in particular (since they got the Frostmourne-ish weapons) basically determines whether I'm willing to play.
Speaking of Frost DK changes, though, I mentioned in a previous post how theorycrafters have been trying to determine when it becomes a DPS gain to take Obliterate off the action bar entirely. What I didn't realize was that we've apparently already reached that point. Turns out one of the few almost-functional Frost specs consists of taking Frostscythe, Frozen Pulse, and Icy Talons, and having every fight essentially boil down to a) occasionally HB just to keep Frost Fever up, b) Frost Strike to stack Icy Talons, c) spam Frostscythe until you are out of runes with no regard for Killing Machine, d) auto-attack for great justice.
The thing is, what YOU find fun and/or amusing in WoW and this thread is very different from what I find amusing. I don't min/max and have zero interest in it. I never had much interest in PvP and find less and less interest as time goes by.TheFeniX wrote:If someone wanted to come into this thread and write long rants about why Warlocks suck and offer information about mechanical issues: I'd actually love to read that. In fact, my "it's fun" moment has been talking with people in this thread about issues with Frost DKs. I don't know if they've enjoyed it, but I damn sure have.
See, I don't get that and really have to wonder if it's something to with your computer or something else. I'm not getting that. I think maybe two bugged targets the whole time I've played the expansion on three different servers. I had a demon hunter quest bug on me, but when I came back a day later it was fine. Other than that I haven't had a problem.Played since Wrath through Cata and MoP. The amount of mobs bugging out since this expansion has been out surpasses what I've seen through all three previous expansions. The amount of "WTF is this shit?" has also surpassed all three other expansions combined.Problem off and on since vanilla and it's improved over the years.
You find it a pain. I find it a challenge.For having some of the best music in the expansion (and even the game), Highmountain is just a pain to navigate.- Yay the option for flying to a couple of the new quest-hubs in Highmountain instead of running the gauntlet on the roads.
I like that if you get off the beaten trail you can be rewarded with a treasure chest tucked away in odd corners. Some of us like exploring and finding appealing vistas.And some of the most visually appealing areas have little to do in them.
Not immediately - still have to get my whistle. Of course, I have been distracted by things like a real-life thousand mile road trip these past few days, so it's all good.And once you hit 110, Blizz just cops out of the whole "no flying" thing by giving you a whistle on a 5min CD that transports you to to the nearest flight path.
So, your problem with me is you don't like what I like and this somehow has pissed you off enough that (ignoring the multiple options you had available to you) you decided to engage in some kind of "you suck" circle-jerk with Yan.Broomstick wrote:The thing is, what YOU find fun and/or amusing in WoW and this thread is very different from what I find amusing. I don't min/max and have zero interest in it. I never had much interest in PvP and find less and less interest as time goes by.
Is it more likely my computer can somehow affect server-side processing such as mob AI and placement or is it more likely your disdain for what you call "min/maxing" has lead you to just not notice these things unless they are clubbing you over the head?See, I don't get that and really have to wonder if it's something to with your computer or something else. I'm not getting that. I think maybe two bugged targets the whole time I've played the expansion on three different servers. I had a demon hunter quest bug on me, but when I came back a day later it was fine. Other than that I haven't had a problem.
There's nothing challenging about circling a mountain looking for a marked path because the map is so shitty. I did this in Skyrim. But that had a really good map mod and I'm sure WoW does too. The "fun" is finding it once. From then on, it becomes "where exactly was that cave entrance Blizzard decided to not mark on the map for some reason?" It would become so much of a chore even Blizzard opted out with the Whistle.You find it a pain. I find it a challenge.
Yes, once. And all that for 20AP, some Garrison Res, and vendor trash. But the zones are very small and gated through 3D terrain and mob density. It's fun once, maybe twice, but after a while it becomes a chore when doing Dailies 2.0, AKA: World Quests.I like that if you get off the beaten trail you can be rewarded with a treasure chest tucked away in odd corners. Some of us like exploring and finding appealing vistas.
Getting friendly in all the pre-110 zones is really only dictated by quest density and travel times. Stormheim probably takes the longest due to the intro, but after that, you only need a few quests after meeting Havi. The 110 questline to friendly doesn't even need you to unlock all the "core" NPCs of questline. It takes maybe 30 minutes at the most, less if you know all the teleporter location spawns the second-time through.Not immediately - still have to get my whistle. Of course, I have been distracted by things like a real-life thousand mile road trip these past few days, so it's all good.
Hey, it's not like we all had a secret meeting and decided to gang up on you, that's your own paranoia talking. You're the one who decided to make this thread a soapbox for your personal issues post after post and got your panties in a twist when it turned out not everyone shared the same opinions. Seriously, your posts are mostly rants about what you don't like about the game, to the point more than one person wondered why the fuck you were still playing it. One post after another about how this or that is broken and what you used to enjoy has now turned to shit. Is there anything you like about WoW in it's current form?TheFeniX wrote:So, your problem with me is you don't like what I like and this somehow has pissed you off enough that (ignoring the multiple options you had available to you) you decided to engage in some kind of "you suck" circle-jerk with Yan.
No one was giving you "shit" - I was and still am wondering why you spend so much time and energy on a game you don't seem to enjoy (although "spend time with friends" does explain a lot).But the big difference is I don't go around giving people shit just for talking about aspects of the game I find unimportant, good or bad.
Then what is the problem here? Because I'm not having the trouble you are. Maybe these things bug you so much that a few incidents drive you into a rage? Or maybe it is the server your on and Bliz is having problems with some but not all of them?Is it more likely my computer can somehow affect server-side processing such as mob AI and placement or is it more likely your disdain for what you call "min/maxing" has lead you to just not notice these things unless they are clubbing you over the head?
Let me answer that for you: if it was my client causing the issue, I'd be banned.
Again, I'm don't seem to have the problem with navigation that you do. It would be boring if everything was handed to me on a platter and there was no puzzle to figure out.There's nothing challenging about circling a mountain looking for a marked path because the map is so shitty. I did this in Skyrim. But that had a really good map mod and I'm sure WoW does too. The "fun" is finding it once. From then on, it becomes "where exactly was that cave entrance Blizzard decided to not mark on the map for some reason?"You find it a pain. I find it a challenge.
Again - you find the reward less than adequate. I find the exploration rewarding and the tidbits a bonus. YOU'RE the one insisting it's fun once, maybe twice, not me.Yes, once. And all that for 20AP, some Garrison Res, and vendor trash. But the zones are very small and gated through 3D terrain and mob density. It's fun once, maybe twice, but after a while it becomes a chore when doing Dailies 2.0, AKA: World Quests.I like that if you get off the beaten trail you can be rewarded with a treasure chest tucked away in odd corners. Some of us like exploring and finding appealing vistas.
See, there's a difference between us - I'm not interested in doing it in the minimum time. What's the point of rushing through everything? I don't care if it takes me 30 minutes or a week because I'm leveling three alts or want to work on a profession or build up some resources as part of generating gold on the auction house. I'll get there. I'm not looking for some other person's notion of "efficiency". I am very much a casual player in that respect. Today I'll probably be doing Brewfest, Darkmoon Faire, collecting some Pandaria mats for a panther mount to get me some gold when I sell it, and hanging out with some buddies in Thunderbluff. I might not make any progress towards leveling or world quests or whatever today and who cares? Tomorrow it might be all about leveling my Alliance mage to 110.Getting friendly in all the pre-110 zones is really only dictated by quest density and travel times. Stormheim probably takes the longest due to the intro, but after that, you only need a few quests after meeting Havi. The 110 questline to friendly doesn't even need you to unlock all the "core" NPCs of questline. It takes maybe 30 minutes at the most, less if you know all the teleporter location spawns the second-time through.Not immediately - still have to get my whistle. Of course, I have been distracted by things like a real-life thousand mile road trip these past few days, so it's all good.
Gameplay, gating, and mechanical issues with the current largest and most popular MMO on the market are "personal" issues. And are you and Yan so immature you can't ignore posts you can't refute but don't like? Oh wait, but we're getting to that part later in my post.Broomstick wrote:Hey, it's not like we all had a secret meeting and decided to gang up on you, that's your own paranoia talking. You're the one who decided to make this thread a soapbox for your personal issues post after post and got your panties in a twist when it turned out not everyone shared the same opinions. Seriously, your posts are mostly rants about what you don't like about the game, to the point more than one person wondered why the fuck you were still playing it. One post after another about how this or that is broken and what you used to enjoy has now turned to shit. Is there anything you like about WoW in it's current form?
No one was giving you "shit" - I was and still am wondering why you spend so much time and energy on a game you don't seem to enjoy (although "spend time with friends" does explain a lot).
If that's your idea of "not giving someone shit" then you must be an incredibly unpleasant person to spend any amount of time with.Broomstick wrote:Yeah, quit your bitchin' - some of us are quite happy playing the game these days. If you hate it that much /ragequit.
"u mad bro." Give it up. Jesus you fucking kids and your idea anyone takes that bait...... Unless they are assblasted Horde. To be fair, yes: it could be our server group. But "I'm not having the issue, so I'm going to tell you to stop mentioning it" makes you an asshole.Then what is the problem here? Because I'm not having the trouble you are. Maybe these things bug you so much that a few incidents drive you into a rage? Or maybe it is the server your on and Bliz is having problems with some but not all of them?
Oh boy, here we go. I post questlist, dialog, and cutscenes from Blizzard themselves showing a Horde player how fucked up their faction is and I get back "I don't see it/it doesn't bother me, so stop talking about."Same thing with claims that Horde is being treated as a special snowflake or given some sort of advantage. I play both Horde and Alliance, on more than one server, and I just don't see this Overwhelming Bias you claim is there. Or maybe I'm not paying attention or maybe it's just not as important to me. I agree some of the story line/plot/continuity is crap or contradictory but it doesn't grate on me the way it does on you and I get tired of hearing about it every single post you make.
Let me reiterate: no one forces you to read my long-winded rants. I mean, holy shit, are you really this vain? Hey, the Police Abuse thread bums me out, can you ask them to stop posting articles from Texas cops?I get tired of hearing about it every single post you make
Yes, either make everything stupid annoying or just give players titanforged epics for logging in. The true reasoning skills of a b.net poster.Again, I'm don't seem to have the problem with navigation that you do. It would be boring if everything was handed to me on a platter and there was no puzzle to figure out.
So, opinions are allowed as long as they as positive towards Blizzard: hugbox.Again - you find the reward less than adequate. I find the exploration rewarding and the tidbits a bonus. YOU'RE the one insisting it's fun once, maybe twice, not me.
There's nothing to rush. The time investment, considering you essentially have to level by questing this expansion, is nil. Saying "yea, well I barely play the game, so it's taking me a while" is.... pretty funny actually. You're not even at endgame content and you're giving me shit because I'm complaining about issues with endgame content. Do you actually read your own posts?See, there's a difference between us - I'm not interested in doing it in the minimum time. What's the point of rushing through everything? I don't care if it takes me 30 minutes or a week because I'm leveling three alts or want to work on a profession or build up some resources as part of generating gold on the auction house. I'll get there. I'm not looking for some other person's notion of "efficiency". I am very much a casual player in that respect. Today I'll probably be doing Brewfest, Darkmoon Faire, collecting some Pandaria mats for a panther mount to get me some gold when I sell it, and hanging out with some buddies in Thunderbluff. I might not make any progress towards leveling or world quests or whatever today and who cares? Tomorrow it might be all about leveling my Alliance mage to 110.
I never once took a shot at your "I'm having fun" horseshit even though I knew they were passive-aggressive shots at me. I waited until you cowardly piggy-backed on Yan's shot at me to call you out for it.YOU're the one who got upset at someone else saying "I'm having fun" and judging other peoples' posts on how much and what sort of content they have in them.
Yes, those issues are so terrible WoW is the largest and most popular MMO.... oh, wait, maybe it's not a problem for a lot of people. Unlike you, I remember the grindfest that was vanilla, when every new Tauren had to corpse-drag across the Southern Barrens because there was no other way to get to the zones you needed to go to in order to level your toon.TheFeniX wrote:Gameplay, gating, and mechanical issues with the current largest and most popular MMO on the market are "personal" issues.
I'm not a kid and haven't been one for a long, long time - I'm probably older than you are. Almost certainly, in fact. Maybe that's why I've mellowed out and don't flip out over the imperfections of a game.Jesus you fucking kids and your idea anyone takes that bait......
Never told you to shut up, just said I didn't have the same problem.To be fair, yes: it could be our server group. But "I'm not having the issue, so I'm going to tell you to stop mentioning it" makes you an asshole.
I play both factions. Did you miss that statement?I understand you take any criticism against the game and faction you play personally
The WoW Forums as authoritative information? No, I don't read the WoW forums. It's like reading the comments on YouTube, they're a brilliant example of Sturgeon's Law.If you bothered to read anything on the WoW forums, you'd understand these problems are not just being noticed by one "supermad FeniXguy" and they've been known about since beta. Anyone considering coming back for Legion might find this information useful, so I will continue to post it.
Again - did you blast past where I play both factions? Incredibly selective reading there.Oh boy, here we go. I post questlist, dialog, and cutscenes from Blizzard themselves showing a Horde player how fucked up their faction is and I get back "I don't see it/it doesn't bother me, so stop talking about."Same thing with claims that Horde is being treated as a special snowflake or given some sort of advantage. I play both Horde and Alliance, on more than one server, and I just don't see this Overwhelming Bias you claim is there.
Again, I play both factions. Did you miss that?Probably not because Alliance generally don't view their fictional faction as some kind of life choice.
I don't use an Apple, I'm not a vegetarian, AND I PLAY BOTH FACTIONS. What's this "life choice" bullshit you're spouting?I imagine you as one of the cheering Horde in the background. I normally try to keep the Horde playerbase separate from the faction itself, but you can't reason with Horde players because they usually end up buying into their own bullshit. Like Apple users or vegetarians.
I, on the other hand, would not enjoy such a debate and do not enjoy arguing Lore. So, what insult will you hurl at me for those opinions?I would love to have an actual debate on this because I love arguing Lore.
Uh... what? What the fuck does the Police Abuse Thread have to do what's going on here?Let me reiterate: no one forces you to read my long-winded rants. I mean, holy shit, are you really this vain? Hey, the Police Abuse thread bums me out, can you ask them to stop posting articles from Texas cops?I get tired of hearing about it every single post you make
You seem to allow no opinions unless they are negative towards Blizzard.So, opinions are allowed as long as they as positive towards Blizzard: hugbox.Again - you find the reward less than adequate. I find the exploration rewarding and the tidbits a bonus. YOU'RE the one insisting it's fun once, maybe twice, not me.
This is rich - because I disagree with you I must be a kid (although I'm far from that), because I'm not rabidly anti-Horde I must be a one-faction asshat, and now, despite having played this game since 2005 and having multiple characters questing in the Broken Isles I must "barely play the game".There's nothing to rush. The time investment, considering you essentially have to level by questing this expansion, is nil. Saying "yea, well I barely play the game, so it's taking me a while" is.... pretty funny actually.
Wow, you are really paranoid here. My having fun with a game is horseshit? Why would I play a game that isn't fun to me? And "passive-aggressive" isn't my style at all, over the years I have had no problem with being aggressively aggressive on this forum.I never once took a shot at your "I'm having fun" horseshit even though I knew they were passive-aggressive shots at me. I waited until you cowardly piggy-backed on Yan's shot at me to call you out for it.
So, presuming you got the most recent version, or at least up to Draenor, did you take advantage of the character boost button for either level 90 or 100? If so, how did you feel about it?Knife wrote:So, came back to WOW after... 7 years I think. When I left, it was during BC but early in it and not even close to Witchking. So mostly vanilla. It has changed a lot but so far so good for me. Most my old toons were lost, Customer Support couldn't find most of them. Found a 67 Rogue and worked with that for a bit till my brother wanted me to jump servers to his and join the horde. Leveling is a lot smoother than I remember. Pally dps is a 3 button joke, but kind of like Pally tank and Pally healz.
So let's discuss the game - what topic would you like to put on the table?Lord Revan wrote:I came here to discuss the game, not read massive rants about how I should be ashamed for liking the game enough to willing play it.
How did that happen ?Knife wrote:Most my old toons were lost, Customer Support couldn't find most of them.
For starters I completed my demon Hunter class order hall questline today, it was fun and suitably epic, my only complaint really is how the order hall set chest looks but that can be fixed using the right shirt under it.Broomstick wrote:So let's discuss the game - what topic would you like to put on the table?Lord Revan wrote:I came here to discuss the game, not read massive rants about how I should be ashamed for liking the game enough to willing play it.
Bravo.Broomstick wrote:Yes, those issues are so terrible WoW is the largest and most popular MMO.... oh, wait, maybe it's not a problem for a lot of people. Unlike you, I remember the grindfest that was vanilla, when every new Tauren had to corpse-drag across the Southern Barrens because there was no other way to get to the zones you needed to go to in order to level your toon.TheFeniX wrote:Gameplay, gating, and mechanical issues with the current largest and most popular MMO on the market are "personal" issues.
It is YOU that is getting upset over all this. All I stated when I said "I'm still having fun" was that I was still having fun. You took that as some sort of personal attack which is a bit bizarre.
I'm not a kid and haven't been one for a long, long time - I'm probably older than you are. Almost certainly, in fact. Maybe that's why I've mellowed out and don't flip out over the imperfections of a game.Jesus you fucking kids and your idea anyone takes that bait......
Never told you to shut up, just said I didn't have the same problem.To be fair, yes: it could be our server group. But "I'm not having the issue, so I'm going to tell you to stop mentioning it" makes you an asshole.
I play both factions. Did you miss that statement?I understand you take any criticism against the game and faction you play personally
The WoW Forums as authoritative information? No, I don't read the WoW forums. It's like reading the comments on YouTube, they're a brilliant example of Sturgeon's Law.If you bothered to read anything on the WoW forums, you'd understand these problems are not just being noticed by one "supermad FeniXguy" and they've been known about since beta. Anyone considering coming back for Legion might find this information useful, so I will continue to post it.
Sure, anyone coming back to Legion might find your posts useful. They might find someone else's viewpoint useful, too.
Again - did you blast past where I play both factions? Incredibly selective reading there.Oh boy, here we go. I post questlist, dialog, and cutscenes from Blizzard themselves showing a Horde player how fucked up their faction is and I get back "I don't see it/it doesn't bother me, so stop talking about."Same thing with claims that Horde is being treated as a special snowflake or given some sort of advantage. I play both Horde and Alliance, on more than one server, and I just don't see this Overwhelming Bias you claim is there.
Again, I play both factions. Did you miss that?Probably not because Alliance generally don't view their fictional faction as some kind of life choice.
I don't use an Apple, I'm not a vegetarian, AND I PLAY BOTH FACTIONS. What's this "life choice" bullshit you're spouting?I imagine you as one of the cheering Horde in the background. I normally try to keep the Horde playerbase separate from the faction itself, but you can't reason with Horde players because they usually end up buying into their own bullshit. Like Apple users or vegetarians.
I, on the other hand, would not enjoy such a debate and do not enjoy arguing Lore. So, what insult will you hurl at me for those opinions?I would love to have an actual debate on this because I love arguing Lore.
Uh... what? What the fuck does the Police Abuse Thread have to do what's going on here?Let me reiterate: no one forces you to read my long-winded rants. I mean, holy shit, are you really this vain? Hey, the Police Abuse thread bums me out, can you ask them to stop posting articles from Texas cops?I get tired of hearing about it every single post you make
Yeah, mostly I was ignoring your long-winded rants until they became the only ones in the thread. But hey, that is a good idea, after this I'll just skip your contributions to this thread entirely. Please make note of that, because I won't repeat it no matter how much you howl you're being ignored as the rest of us have an actual discussion without shitting on people of different viewpoints.
You seem to allow no opinions unless they are negative towards Blizzard.So, opinions are allowed as long as they as positive towards Blizzard: hugbox.Again - you find the reward less than adequate. I find the exploration rewarding and the tidbits a bonus. YOU'RE the one insisting it's fun once, maybe twice, not me.
This is rich - because I disagree with you I must be a kid (although I'm far from that), because I'm not rabidly anti-Horde I must be a one-faction asshat, and now, despite having played this game since 2005 and having multiple characters questing in the Broken Isles I must "barely play the game".There's nothing to rush. The time investment, considering you essentially have to level by questing this expansion, is nil. Saying "yea, well I barely play the game, so it's taking me a while" is.... pretty funny actually.
Is it incomprehensible to you that someone could play the game a lot and just genuinely have a different view of it than you do?
Wow, you are really paranoid here. My having fun with a game is horseshit? Why would I play a game that isn't fun to me? And "passive-aggressive" isn't my style at all, over the years I have had no problem with being aggressively aggressive on this forum.I never once took a shot at your "I'm having fun" horseshit even though I knew they were passive-aggressive shots at me. I waited until you cowardly piggy-backed on Yan's shot at me to call you out for it.
Like Freud said, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. You're reading far more into my statements than is actually there. "I'm having fun" was really just a statement that I was (and still am, for that matter) having fun with the new expansion. So is most of my main guild which, by the way, has also been in existence since 2005.
Anyhow, enjoy your misery. This is my last reply to you in this thread. I'll continue the discussion with other people. Note that I am in no way telling you to shut up, or change your posting habits, or in any other way cramping your style. Have at it. I'm just going to take your suggestion and no longer read what you post in this thread.
It's always funny to see people scrape shit up from WC3, before the Horde as we know it formed and before the Alliance could in anyway think this Horde wasn't just the Old Horde that would try and kill them again. The old hat guys, who lost a lot in the second war are racist and don't buy any of it. And they almost all ended up dead and no one built statues in their honor. It's hard to even call the WC3 Alliance the same as what exists in WoW. The WoW Alliance and Horde exist due to events of WC3.Darth Yan wrote:And there are other things (The abusive internment camps that treated every orc like garbage even though many were children who never took part in war crimes,
Yea, and put down with the help of his own daughter. A daughter who would then see her neutral city betrayed by the Horde, to attack an Alliance city, THEN nuke her other city (Alliance aligned) off the face of the Earth, killing her apprentice, and mentor/Hero of the Kirin Tor.Daelin trying to commit genocide in a unprovoked attack,
Did Varian even know the Wrathgate was caused by a rogue Horde faction? Considering Slyvanas' track record and the shit The Horde put Varian through, I wouldn't expect him to believe it anyways. Sylvy continues to use the blight for any old purpose either way, so it's not like it's something completely out there. And for the record, even the Horde leadership kept all Forsaken on a short leash after that.Varian reopening hostilities in wrath and being willing to let yogg saron burn the world even though varimathras and putress weren't acting with sylvannas's approval in launching the attack, cutting off trade for what the orc's jackass friends did rather than anything the orcs did) that people can cite.
Those guys have to pay for their Blizzcon tickets.Also no there would TOTALLY be alliance wankers going FUCK THE HORDE KILL THEM ALL. Quite a few are on scrollsoflore and battlenet.
Was Lucas biased against Darth Vader vs Luke even though Vader gets some of the coolest dialog, scenes, costuming? I find this is more Blizzard wanting to write Horde stories and create Horde cutscenes that make them look cool and badass, but thinking nothing about the consequences of what those cutscenes should lead to.I played horde back when I still played it. Considering that blizz goes out of it's way to make the horde evil one could argue the ALLIANCE is the one getting preferential treatment.
Demon Hunter Class Hall has a hottub: best class hall.Lord Revan wrote:For me at least the problem isn't that Fenix doesn't like WoW, that's accepted, my problem is theat he seems to think that if he doesn't like something no one can like it and for the exactly same reasons he doesn't like it. Basically (and yes I know I use that word a lot) he thinks his subjective opinion is objective fact that all must agree on rather his personal opinion. Hence the massive pointless rants, essentially he's trying to convince his personal opinion is the only valid opinion that exists and is pissing off us who like different things then him.