Zinegata wrote:And you're a fucking tool.
Bioware writing a bad guy doesn't mean they agree with Hitler. Bioware writing a bad guy and forcing you to do exactly what it wants is.
So you are stating unequivocally, that Bioware and it's writers support genocide and agree with Hitler. And you will provide proof of this I assume? Of course you will.
So, you don't consider a highly advanced AI that has not questioned his motives or actions for maybe a million years, admitting that his solution doesn't work anymore and then giving up three options that will cease his existence, the same as saying he has been wrong?
No, that's just him further justifying its own shitty existence. It only questions its own motives because the galaxy got a fleet big enough to kick its ass; not because it's actually some paragon of knowledge.
OH FUCKING REALLY? You think that rag tag fleet was going to stop the Reapers?
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Did they destroy a single one in space? You also realize that what was at Earth was in no way shape or form the entirety of the Reaper population? Of course you don't. That would require paying attention to the game.
Sheppard gets to make the choice TO DESTROY THE AAI AND REAPERS by the grace of the AAI and nothing more. If it's not admitting wrong doing I'm not sure what is.
Right. Why would you take the word of COMPUTER that has watched 50,000 year galactic civilizations unfold hundreds of times into account. He is probably just making wild guesses.
So what gave him the right to mass-murder trillions of sentient beings again in the first place? Oh right, because he doesn't actually know shit and you're being a stupid indoctrinated fan boy.
Because despite your attempt at mockery, the fucking moron of an AI was in fact only GUESSING. He committed mass murder over a HUNCH and a shitty premise. He's no better than Hitler.
You can prove he was guessing? The game and the writing are stated as fact. That the AI is doing what he does is because of fact is a given. You kinda not understanding that key point of fiction? When the bad guy does his monologue to the good guy and explains who, what, when, where and why the good guys doesn't call him a liar. He goes, "OOOOH well I UNDERSTAND now, BUT..."
Again, you are an idiot.
Citing ONE AI and a couple thousand programs doesn't prove the AAI wrong.
No, this is just you employing Wall of Ignorance.
The simple fact of the matter is that the Catalyst was wrong, and it was reading off Mein Kampf to justify its genocide.
Its premise was wrong. The created are not automatically hard-wired to destroy the creator, or vice versa. The Quarians and Geth prove this in the Golden ending. EDI proves this.
My gawd.. you are for real.
The Quarians tried to wipe out the Geth. The Geth tried to wipe out the Quarrians. I'm going to use caps lock here, CLEARLY THE AAI'S PREMISE IS NOT ONLY NOT WRONG, BUT SURPRISE... CORRECT. That CMDR. Shepard gets them to cooperate... a man both organic and synthetic (OMG!!! It's like Bioware is trying to tell you something there...) is part of what makes THIS CYCLE UNIQUE.
NEWSFLASH: Left to their own devices, one of them gets completely wiped out by the other. But hey the AAI actually knows what "inherent" means.
Even worse, there is no guarantee that a destructive war will not happen even without it committing mass genocide. Turians fight humans. Humans fight Batarians. Batarians fighr Vorcha. Conflict happens, but the root cause is not necessarily the racist Organic vs Synthetic bullshit it is spouting.
Man... you don't fucking GET IT.
They should have named it The Gardner instead of the Catalyst so dumbasses like you would get the concept behind the AAI and how it thinks.
All it cares about is making sure it's garden stays healthy and continues to grow. It takes care of it's garden and makes decisions based on past experiences of how long it can leave it's rose bushes alone before they start to stagnate and die from their own overgrowth.
The issue of Synthetic Vs Organic is a parallel issue. See the Protheans. They were not in danger of being wiped out by their AI, as they exterminated them already, YET they held their foot down on the throat of any other race attempting to uplift themselves or challenge their authority. Swell guys.
NOW look what happened when the Protheans, the supposed best at everything were replaced? The races that succeeded them actually succeeded where they could not.
I'm mean, is your mind so small that you can't comprehend a different way of looking at things? The idea that a COMPUTER mau not be bothered with impassioned OMG HITLER!!! being screamed at the top of someones lungs? Did you NOT FUCKING PICK UP ON THE WAY THE REAPERS VIEW THE RACES OF THE GALAXY IN THREE ENTIRE GAMES? Fucking hell.
You also don't listen well.
No, you fucking moron. You're the one who's seriously buying
justifications for GENOCIDE. I guess the Jews were awfully happy that Hitler had good reasons for killing them off too!
There is a difference between UNDERSTAND and BUYING, you fucking idiot.
The AAI states that it does what it does to keep synthetic life from wiping out ALL intelligent organic life, clearly an even that happened at some point, not to keep them from simply waring with organics. It's an ends justifying the means issue. A horrific one, but you chose one... kill off one or maybe ten civilizations to save all intelligent life in the galaxy, or just let it all die out.
First of all, you're a fucking moron for believing that what the AAI says is actually 100% true and factual and not merely self justifications.
Why would a unopposed, COMPUTER whom is practically god for all intents and purposes need to justify ANYTHING? Especially to itself? Why does it have to lie? What purpose does it serve? WHO IS IT JUSTIFYING ITSELF TO?
You want to so badly ascribe YOUR way of thinking and understanding, as limited as it obviously is, to what are supposed to be the decisions of a fucking Million Year old AI.
Secondly, the Geth prove that Synthetics are not inherently hard-wired to wipe out all organics. They stopped themselves from wiping out the Quarians. That you believe this bullshit line of reasoning that "Synthetics are hard-wired to destroy organic life" or vice versa is the very root of the problem: It's bullshit. It's nothing more than the Little Hitler's racist AI fantasies.
HAHAHAHAHAHA No they fucking DID NOT. Legion was ready to keep the Reaper code and wipe out the ENTIRE QUARIAN FLEET. The Quarian fleet was ready to EXTERMINATE THE GETH. It was only Act Of Sheppard that kept it from happening. Oh yeah, that was AFTER the Quarians tried to EXTERMINATE the Geth... AGAIN. Fucking El Oh EL man, stop deluding yourself so badly.
EXCEPT it is not a complete extermination of ALL organic life.
Yes, like how Hitler wants his own fucking Master Race. Great logic. Go to hell, you Nazi lover.
Don't push you fucking luck kid.
And whether you like the concept or not, it is how nature works. The weak are replaced by the strong until the strong themselves get replaced. If you want to think that we as humans are above that, then you are living with blinders on.
Genocide ain't cool no matter your reasons. It is NEVER justifiable, ESPECIALLY when the premise is absolute bullshit (Synthetics are hard-wired to kill organics, and/or vice versa. Again, nothing more than fucking racist bullshit).
No one, including myself, ever said it was you dumb fucking retard.
OH RIGHT! EXCEPT YOU.
TL;DR: The Catalyst attempted to "preserve" organics by killing them and using their body parts for furniture. Over a completely wrong and unproven premise. This is not a sane person's solution. This is not a logical solution. This is the solution of a fucking psycopath.
And yet sane and logical people do the same things every day. Just depends on which "life" you chose to value more than another, again see the gardening analogy.
For a being that is effectively immortal, the lives of beings that will live maybe 20,000 years is not as important as making sure life
itself survives.
Of course you are a fucking idiot that can't comprehend abstract thoughts like that.
And you seriously will trust this person to reshape the universe AGAIN? "Oops, sorry, I killed trillions and trillions of people! But I admit I made a mistake! I can make it right now!"
Grow up. You have to ignore about 95% of the onscreen atrocities and divest yourself completely of common sense to even think that Little Hitler deserves any trust or sympathy.
Who said anything about sympathy? You are one dishonest little cunt that keeps trying to put words into peoples mouths.
What was Sheppard supposed to do, you dumb fuck? Just sit there and do nothing?
"Hey, you have ZERO reason to lie about any of this, but I think I'll just sit here and let exactly what I was fighting against happen anyway because I don't trust you because... uh... you may kill me... oh wait... gonna bleed to death... it's an elaborate trap to... kill me... oh wait... it will actually kill all the people in the fleet you sneaky son of a... OH WAIT... YOU ARE GONNA KILL ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE GALAXY... oh wait... well shit... I guess you are telling the truth."
You are an idiot. There is ZERO reason to not believe what the AAI said was true. That is the point that Bioware is trying to get across... the past kept repeating itself, but this time SHEPPARD!!! The cycle is ending because this time there are enough changes/advances/evolution, whatever you want to call it that the cycle is no longer the purvue of the AAI and the Reapers, but up until NOW, it has been.
Can you provide any proof that "Little Hitler" was lying about a single thing he said... or any Reaper for that matter? No seriously... show in any of the three two disc games that what he says is in any way, in doubt?
You have yet to show that the AAI's "completely wrong and unproven premise" is anything of the sort.
You know... thinking about it, and this will make you happy, I'm sure, there is one thing about both Hitler and the Catylist that you can say; They never lied about their intentions, nor their reasons.