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Pamela Rogers, the Warren County elementary school teacher and coach, admitted guilt today on four counts of sexual battery by an authority figure for having a sexual affair with a 13-year-old star athlete student.

Rogers, 28, was sentenced to 270 days in the Warren County jail and will surrender her state teaching certificate for life. Circuit Court Judge Bart Stanley also barred her from granting interviews or profiting from her story during eight years of probation.

Her plea avoids a trial that could have landed Rogers in prison for two to 16 years if she had been found guilty of all 28 counts from her February indictment. It was a no contest plea, which has the same effect as a guilty plea in court and in fact contains an admission of guilt in the document.

The plea also brings some finality to the teacher-student sex affair that rocked this small Middle Tennessee community when it made national headlines in February.

Rogers, 28, entered court in a brown pin-striped suit and pink top with rings on both hands. After the hearing, a sheriff's deputy asked her to place her rings and earrings in a brown envelope before handcuffing her in front of her parents and taking her away to jail.

Prosecutor Dale Potter said Turner could get out in about 200 days with good behavior.

Potter said sex acts happened at the boy's home while his parents slept, at the teacher's home and at Centertown Elementary.

A series of conditions on Rogers' probation will keep her away from secondary public or private school property in Tennessee unless she is accompanied by one of her parents to sporting events.

Turner's father is Lamar Rogers, a state championship high school basketball coach in Fentress County.

Rogers used to be known as Pamela Rogers Turner, but her attorney said today that her divorce from Warren County High School basketball coach Chris Turner is now final.
So what do you think? Was justice served?
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If it were a 28 year old male teacher having sex with a 13 year old star athlete female student, he'd be in jail as we speak.

If it were a 28 year old male teacher having sex with a 13 year old star athlete male student, he'd probably have been lynched.


I think it might be going a bit light on her, but she is going to serve time, has a lengthy probation, and has rightfully lost her teaching certificate. So, at least she's getting some punishment. I'd prefer her to get about a year in jail, minimum, and some psychological treatment in addition to her current sentence.
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The fuck? It's fucking bullshit: I'm 25. If I fucked a 13 yo who WASN'T my student, I'd be getting gangraped for fifteen years. All the 'hur hur sexy teacher' eternal virgins aside, statutory rape + breaking DOC /= less prison time than you'd get for four joints.

'A bit light'? What a laugh: this is a hilarious precedent that I want to see every similar consent case use in their defence.
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Stark wrote:The fuck? It's fucking bullshit: I'm 25. If I fucked a 13 yo who WASN'T my student, I'd be getting gangraped for fifteen years. All the 'hur hur sexy teacher' eternal virgins aside, statutory rape + breaking DOC /= less prison time than you'd get for four joints.

'A bit light'? What a laugh: this is a hilarious precedent that I want to see every similar consent case use in their defence.
True; as I think on this more, I realize I was a bit quick on the "submit" button there. You are absolutely correct; just because she's an attractive woman does not make her crime more acceptable. And, the fact is, she did commit a terrible crime and made a grievous breach of ethics.

However, what of the no contest plea? The article says it is, in effect, a guilty plea, but does that affect sentencing in anyway? (not necessarily asking you, Stark, just everyone in general)
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But the importatnt part is that the fact she's an attractive woman DOES make it more acceptable. That's what this ruling says: fucking teenage girls is a deplorable thing only creepy, scary pedophile men do and they are a terror on our society. Fucking teenage boys is fine: I mean, they were getting it anyway, right? am i rite? I BET HE LOVED EVERY SECOND etc etc etc.
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I agree with Stark 100%. This so far is looking to be a deplorable showing of our great 'standards'. Worse is there will be people that think that what she gets is fine. Gender discrimination this is.
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Are you three done yet? Because if you had bothered to fucking read the previous thread, you would know that there is a big difference between an adult female having sex with an adolescent male and and adult male having sex with an adolescent female or male.

See here. There was a big fucking flamewar ovber the subject, and I'd ratehr not have to go through it a second time. While the woman is a pedophile, the case is very unusual and in no way like a standard molestation case. The sentence was decided on the grounds of harm caused, which is why it's so light. There's nothing wrong with it.

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So while Im reading the thread, can someone give me the skinny on why this is okay? Do consent laws only fully apply to men? Call me nuts, but I don't see any 'it didn't hurt the victim that much' arguments that won't apply easily to both boys AND girls.
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Stark wrote:So while Im reading the thread, can someone give me the skinny on why this is okay? Do consent laws only fully apply to men? Call me nuts, but I don't see any 'it didn't hurt the victim that much' arguments that won't apply easily to both boys AND girls.
In a nutshell.

Young boys WANT sex, and there isn't any pain when they have sex for their first time.

Young girls will experience pain, and are different on a psychological level then young boys.

Young girls are pretty much manipulated into having sex. Young boys, generally, are not.

Finally, punishment is about, or should be, the harm done to the victim(s). If no harm is done, then why would you punish anyone?

She did violated her position. If anything this punishment was far too heavy. She just should have had her teaching certification taken away for life.
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Edi wrote:Are you three done yet? Because if you had bothered to fucking read the previous thread, you would know that there is a big difference between an adult female having sex with an adolescent male and and adult male having sex with an adolescent female or male.

See here. There was a big fucking flamewar ovber the subject, and I'd ratehr not have to go through it a second time. While the woman is a pedophile, the case is very unusual and in no way like a standard molestation case. The sentence was decided on the grounds of harm caused, which is why it's so light. There's nothing wrong with it.

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I call bullshit. If it were a 28 year old male teacher giving oral sex to a either a male or female student that was 13 years old, he'd still be rotting in prison being attacked by murderers, rapists, and other assorted thugs for being a child molester.

And would you be okay if a 28 year old male teacher gave oral sex to his students? I mean, he's not causing any physical harm, right? So it's all well and good then, right? He should get sentencing that is just as light as this teacher, right?
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She should have gone to prison for at least 5 years

Fuck all that bullshit about how males and females are different in their adolescent years. Equal treatment under the law folks. Not trying to hyperanalyze it so the hot chick doesn't have to bend over for Bernice the Lesbian in Block C
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Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Stark wrote:So while Im reading the thread, can someone give me the skinny on why this is okay? Do consent laws only fully apply to men? Call me nuts, but I don't see any 'it didn't hurt the victim that much' arguments that won't apply easily to both boys AND girls.
In a nutshell.

Young boys WANT sex, and there isn't any pain when they have sex for their first time.

Young girls will experience pain, and are different on a psychological level then young boys.

Young girls are pretty much manipulated into having sex. Young boys, generally, are not.

Finally, punishment is about, or should be, the harm done to the victim(s). If no harm is done, then why would you punish anyone?

She did violated her position. If anything this punishment was far too heavy. She just should have had her teaching certification taken away for life.
I find that "Young boys want sex" remark as monumentally offensive. They may think they do, but at 13 the majority have no idea what it is, or what effect it will have on them. Truthfully, there's so many blanket stereotypes and uninformed statements in your post I pity you.

Equal protection for children, unless you want young girls to be ruled to have a diminished capacity and receive special protection that way.
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Edi wrote:Are you three done yet? Because if you had bothered to fucking read the previous thread, you would know that there is a big difference between an adult female having sex with an adolescent male and and adult male having sex with an adolescent female or male.

See here. There was a big fucking flamewar ovber the subject, and I'd ratehr not have to go through it a second time. While the woman is a pedophile, the case is very unusual and in no way like a standard molestation case. The sentence was decided on the grounds of harm caused, which is why it's so light. There's nothing wrong with it.

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How woefully inconsistent with equal protection before the law. The matter stands that the same charge would bring a vastly different sentence were the defendent male. This is a problem, no matter how much anyone hems and haws about how the boy doubtlessly wanted sex; the sentencing is about the crime she was charged with, not the attitude of the victim.
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I find that "Young boys want sex" remark as monumentally offensive. They may think they do, but at 13 the majority have no idea what it is, or what effect it will have on them. Truthfully, there's so many blanket stereotypes and uninformed statements in your post I pity you.
You've had a very sheltered adolescence if by the age of 13 you didn't know what sex is, and wouldn't jump at the chance of having it - hell, I'm sure I could father children by the age of 12, if only I managed to find a willing partner (goddamnit) to try the novelty out. Most teenagers do want sex - it's a physical demand of the male's body. Find me your studies that say otherwise.

I am not a fucking virgin and haven't been one for ten years, and I still don't see the harm in this - only in the whole she being her teacher thing.
Equal protection for children, unless you want young girls to be ruled to have a diminished capacity and receive special protection that way.
Girls are different that boys, and women are different than men. It's not a diminished capacity, it's physiology. Equality here makes no sense.
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I'd bang her.

Wait... what was the question again?
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Colonel Olrik wrote:You've had a very sheltered adolescence if by the age of 13 you didn't know what sex is, and wouldn't jump at the chance of having it - hell, I'm sure I could father children by the age of 12, if only I managed to find a willing partner (goddamnit) to try the novelty out. Most teenagers do want sex - it's a physical demand of the male's body. Find me your studies that say otherwise.
And all human bodies demand a lot of fat and sugars in the diet. Ergo, we should all eat Ho-Hos all day everyday, right?

Just because young pubescent males have bodies that are physical capable and wired to have sex doesn't mean that they are mentally able to give informed consent.
Girls are different that boys, and women are different than men. It's not a diminished capacity, it's physiology. Equality here makes no sense.
Girls/women go through puberty earlier than boys/men on average, though! Hell, some girls are getting their first bras and periods at eight years old! Would you say that since their bodies are ready for sex that they should go out and have sex with whomever?
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Akhlut wrote:[However, what of the no contest plea? The article says it is, in effect, a guilty plea, but does that affect sentencing in anyway? (not necessarily asking you, Stark, just everyone in general)
The thing with a no contest (or technically "nolo contendere") plea is solely that you do not accept that you are guilty but agree to recieve punishment as if you are. In those cases I have to asume (having no direct knowledge) that your sentence will likely be similair to what would happen if you plea bargained down though maybe just a TAD rougher since you don't accept guilt. The major difference is that a no contest plea can't be used against you in future cases.
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Akhlut wrote: And all human bodies demand a lot of fat and sugars in the diet. Ergo, we should all eat Ho-Hos all day everyday, right?
The body gets fats from other foods. And there's no problem in having a Ho-Ho everyday provided if you burn it - sex burns calories, for example.
Just because young pubescent males have bodies that are physical capable and wired to have sex doesn't mean that they are mentally able to give informed consent.

It's a good indicator, no? Some people here say they lost their virginity before 14, 15. I lost mine at 16 and at the time only wished it had been much sooner.
Girls/women go through puberty earlier than boys/men on average, though! Hell, some girls are getting their first bras and periods at eight years old! Would you say that since their bodies are ready for sex that they should go out and have sex with whomever?
When are you going to admit that the basic approach to sex for men and women is different, specially at younger ages, and that's what must be considered?
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He'll probably admit it around the same time folks figure out its illegal to have two sets of laws for two genders.
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For the different physiology thing, I suppose that means for consistancy's sake, 28 male teacher on 13 year homosexual male = OK by this standard?
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AniThyng wrote:For the different physiology thing, I suppose that means for consistancy's sake, 28 male teacher on 13 year homosexual male = OK by this standard?
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Akhlut wrote:
Edi wrote:Are you three done yet? Because if you had bothered to fucking read the previous thread, you would know that there is a big difference between an adult female having sex with an adolescent male and and adult male having sex with an adolescent female or male.

See here. There was a big fucking flamewar ovber the subject, and I'd ratehr not have to go through it a second time. While the woman is a pedophile, the case is very unusual and in no way like a standard molestation case. The sentence was decided on the grounds of harm caused, which is why it's so light. There's nothing wrong with it.

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I call bullshit. If it were a 28 year old male teacher giving oral sex to a either a male or female student that was 13 years old, he'd still be rotting in prison being attacked by murderers, rapists, and other assorted thugs for being a child molester.
Yes, he would. How the fuck does your ignorance address the points I made?
Akhlut wrote:And would you be okay if a 28 year old male teacher gave oral sex to his students?
Did you fucking read the thread I linked to, asshole? Did you take a look at what I said there? EVERYTHING I said there? No, I would not be okay with that for several reasons. I'm not okay with what this female teacher did either, but I'm a lot less bothered by it than I would be if a male teacher did the same to a female student. The situation is not even analoguous, by the way. In order to have sex, the male must be active, but the female need not be.
Akhlut wrote:I mean, he's not causing any physical harm, right? So it's all well and good then, right? He should get sentencing that is just as light as this teacher, right?
He wouldn't be causing physical harm, no. Psychological harm is another thing entirely and more difficult to find out. But if you think that male pedophiles would be content with just that without getting their rocks off, you're either unbelieveably naive, unbelievably stupid or just a plain dishonest lying little shit. And if by some miracle it was that kind of a hypothetical situation, then the sentence for the crime should obviously be a lot less than if he had had intercourse with the kids. What the fuck is so difficult to understand about that?
Rogue 9 wrote:How woefully inconsistent with equal protection before the law. The matter stands that the same charge would bring a vastly different sentence were the defendent male. This is a problem, no matter how much anyone hems and haws about how the boy doubtlessly wanted sex; the sentencing is about the crime she was charged with, not the attitude of the victim.
What the fuck is YOUR problem? Did somebody slip an extra dose of stupid into your morning coffee? This sentencing is in no way inconsistent with equal protection before the law. The sentence would be vastly different for a male defendant, because in the case of a male defendant the fucking facts of the case would be vastly different.

In case you didn't know, it takes goddamn active effort and desire on part of a male to sustain an erection and have sex, while there is no similar requirement for a female. But it wouldn't be much of a surprise to find that you have no firsthand knowledge of such basics of reproductive biology. So if the boy did have sexual intercourse with the woman, and 15 times no less according to the info on the case, it is a clear indication that he did want to do it. In the case of a male defendant, it was obvious that the defendant wanted it, but there is no such automatic knowledge about the victim. The evidence of who was actively pursuing the sexual activity is important for that reason, and the evidence is easiest to find about male activity for obvious reasons.

Furthermore, like it or not, the laws dealing with pedophilia have been drafted with the assumption that the offender is male, because in the great, vast majority of cases the offenders are male. Consequently, anomalous situations like this will produce anomalous sentences compared to the norm.

The only case with a male defendant analoguous to this one would be the extremely rare case of a homosexual male teacher getting his ass pounded by a homosexual student and where the teacher did not penetrate the boy. That sort of situation would merit this kind of light sentence.

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AniThyng wrote:For the different physiology thing, I suppose that means for consistancy's sake, 28 male teacher on 13 year homosexual male = OK by this standard?
If it was the student pounding the teacher in the ass but not the other way around, then it would be similar to this case. The instant it is the adult doing the penetration, it changes to a standard type of case where the system comes down on him like a ton of bricks.

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CaptainChewbacca wrote:I find that "Young boys want sex" remark as monumentally offensive. They may think they do, but at 13 the majority have no idea what it is, or what effect it will have on them.
I don't know what sheltered environ you were in, but I'm a hell of a lot closer to being that age and I know you're full of shit.
CaptainChewbacca wrote:Equal protection for children, unless you want young girls to be ruled to have a diminished capacity and receive special protection that way.
It is fundamentally and empirically true that a young man is more likely to not recieve emotional/psychological trauma from such an act (especially by an attractive woman) than a girl of the same age. The crime ought to be punished on the grounds of actual harm, not idealistic utopian bullshit.
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Rogue 9 wrote: How woefully inconsistent with equal protection before the law. The matter stands that the same charge would bring a vastly different sentence were the defendent male. This is a problem, no matter how much anyone hems and haws about how the boy doubtlessly wanted sex; the sentencing is about the crime she was charged with, not the attitude of the victim.
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