I'm sorry but I'm going to have to ask all the gay people reading this to stop laying seige to my country. It's just rude.Tamaki's anti-gay DVD goes to censor
19 June 2005
By TONY WALL
A DVD produced by Destiny Church leaders Brian and Hannah Tamaki has been sent to the chief censor for classification because of its overt political and anti-gay content.
The Tamakis produced the giveaway DVD, New Zealand, Nation Under Siege, which they plan to take on tour this week. But they have failed in their first attempt to have it rated for general release.
As with any unclassified film, video or DVD, the Tamaki DVD had to be sent to the Film and Video Labelling Body in Auckland for rating. The body can only classify films G, PG or M.
Executive secretary Bill Hood said he and his staff were not trained censors, and he had worries about the DVD's content. It had been sent to chief censor Bill Hastings in Wellington for classification.
"The content of the disc was very, very political. There was some content in there, particularly the views against the gay community, which I think should be considered by a higher authority than my office.
"There's a part in there that speaks about Helen Clark and other key members of the Labour Party, and then it goes into their (Destiny's) feelings about the gay community and same-sex marriage. I thought it was beyond what I would like to sign off myself."
Hood said the film was not necessarily too abusive or inflammatory - his main concern was that it was too political. The Tamakis have previously tried to distance themselves from the political arm of their empire, Destiny New Zealand.
Destiny Church spokeswoman Janine Cardno said it was expected the DVD would be cleared for general classification, and if it was not "we will make a big fuss about it".
Hood said the only other film he had referred to the chief censor was one by Holocaust denier David Irving.
Hastings said the Tamakis had asked for urgency, so he would try to have the DVD classified by mid-week.
Meanwhile, Brian Tamaki was ordained a bishop yesterday, and Destiny's political wing had its campaign launch last night.
The party's family policy proposes tax credits for "marriage milestones" - fixed periods of unbroken marriage. For example, couples might receive higher rates of tax credits after five, 10, 15 and 20 years of marriage.
The party would also give assistance to married first-time home-buyers, and consider making their mortgage payments tax deductible.
It would also introduce income splitting for tax purposes for married couples.
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"New Zealand under seige from gay people" say fund
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Of course NZ is veing beseiged by the Gay community..they want to establish a gayocracy{
} which would of course be contary to Tamaki's vision of a New Zealand theocracy.
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I heard of an announcement made to the people of New Zealand a few hours ago by the Gay Community. Appearantly their massive gay seige cannons will reduce the cities of New Zealand and none will be spared.
Seriously, that's pretty lame in terms of anti-gay action.

Seriously, that's pretty lame in terms of anti-gay action.
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It's unfortunate that the only people to make family-friendly recommendations seem to be groups like this. Make no mistake: whlie these idiots go too far, there is merit to the idea that western governments are somewhat hostile to family concerns. Tax deductions for dependent children are woefully inadequate to offset the actual cost of raising them, parents typically have no real influence over school boards and no recourse when faced with abusive or negligent unionized teachers, some apartments and condos actually have "no kids" rules, governments take taxpayer money to pay for daycares for two-income families and give nothing to stay-at-home parents (so that one-income families actually end up subsidizing two-income families), etc.
The problem is that because no one else champions this stuff, parties like this create a powerful incentive for families to vote for them even if they aren't homophobes, just so that they'll finally have some of their concerns heard by governments which seem to view families (particularly single-income families) as tax mules.
The problem is that because no one else champions this stuff, parties like this create a powerful incentive for families to vote for them even if they aren't homophobes, just so that they'll finally have some of their concerns heard by governments which seem to view families (particularly single-income families) as tax mules.

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Lame action frome a lame organisation with delusions of granduer, its to be expected and laughed at.Gil Hamilton wrote:I heard of an announcement made to the people of New Zealand a few hours ago by the Gay Community. Appearantly their massive gay seige cannons will reduce the cities of New Zealand and none will be spared.![]()
Seriously, that's pretty lame in terms of anti-gay action.
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I dont know about Canada, but over here, you have the problem of voter apathy, no one participates enough to get such things across, and the end result is that lobby groups have a degree of influence they dont deserve.Darth Wong wrote:
The problem is that because no one else champions this stuff, parties like this create a powerful incentive for families to vote for them even if they aren't homophobes, just so that they'll finally have some of their concerns heard by governments which seem to view families (particularly single-income families) as tax mules.
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I think you just described every modern democracy in existence.I dont know about Canada, but over here, you have the problem of voter apathy, no one participates enough to get such things across, and the end result is that lobby groups have a degree of influence they dont deserve.
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*thinks*HemlockGrey wrote:I think you just described every modern democracy in existence.I dont know about Canada, but over here, you have the problem of voter apathy, no one participates enough to get such things across, and the end result is that lobby groups have a degree of influence they dont deserve.
I think your right.
So, nice to know that we only have ourselves to blame.
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Under seige?
It is a continuing source of perplexity to me, why people seem to view homosexuality as some kind of threat. I mean what are they going to do? Infect all us straight people with gay-germs?
It is a continuing source of perplexity to me, why people seem to view homosexuality as some kind of threat. I mean what are they going to do? Infect all us straight people with gay-germs?

After all, this is completely straightforward. What could possibly go wrong?
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Their beliefs are closer to fearing the evil gays will corrupt us into degenerate homosexuals ourselves. They think its some kind of hedonistic slippery slope. First you're trying things other than the missionary position then comes drugs and homosexuality. Truth, fact, and logic are irrelevant to their beliefs. To them homosexuality is a the product of decadence and a moral failing. So everyone can be corrupted, but if you love Jesus enough you can resist and be saved.The Morrigan wrote:Under seige?
It is a continuing source of perplexity to me, why people seem to view homosexuality as some kind of threat. I mean what are they going to do? Infect all us straight people with gay-germs?
So no, the don't believe in gay germs, but they do believe you can catch it.
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Fundie: WE CAN'T TAKE THAT CHANCE!! *dons facemask*The Morrigan wrote:Under seige?
It is a continuing source of perplexity to me, why people seem to view homosexuality as some kind of threat. I mean what are they going to do? Infect all us straight people with gay-germs?

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Even if gays could,why should we care ? If the proportion of gays jumped to 30% tomorrow,would the world come to an end? This sort of nonsense is based of the belief that Gay = Evil,and there is simply no evidence for that.It is a continuing source of perplexity to me, why people seem to view homosexuality as some kind of threat. I mean what are they going to do? Infect all us straight people with gay-germs?
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Most homophobes believe that children will become gay if they are not raised in a sufficiently bigoted environment. That's why it's so important for them to create a public environment which is openly hostile toward gays. That's why they bristle so much at Gay Pride parades, that's why they write op-ed pieces wringing their hands in despair over the "normalization" of homosexuality in Hollywood and on TV.Lord of the Abyss wrote:Even if gays could,why should we care ? If the proportion of gays jumped to 30% tomorrow,would the world come to an end? This sort of nonsense is based of the belief that Gay = Evil,and there is simply no evidence for that.It is a continuing source of perplexity to me, why people seem to view homosexuality as some kind of threat. I mean what are they going to do? Infect all us straight people with gay-germs?

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I have a theory about that.I think it's sublimated jealousy.Most homophobes believe that children will become gay if they are not raised in a sufficiently bigoted environment.
I've noticed that most of the men who really hate gays seem to be the sort who really hate women too.I think they assume that kids will "turn gay" given the chance because THEY would like to be gay in order to avoid the opposite sex - except their religous brainwashing wakes it acceptable.
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You think the gays could lay better seige to NZ. They're missing all these fundamentalist asshats.
But seriously, I thought Austrialia and it's neighbors were supposed to be nice and tolerant. Somebody over there should slap some sense into these idiots.
But seriously, I thought Austrialia and it's neighbors were supposed to be nice and tolerant. Somebody over there should slap some sense into these idiots.
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NZ is actually very tolerant, unless of course, you don't like rugby
Round here dressing in tight clothes, getting sweaty, reaching around other mens behinds and then pushing hard is considered normal and in fact role-model behaviour.

Round here dressing in tight clothes, getting sweaty, reaching around other mens behinds and then pushing hard is considered normal and in fact role-model behaviour.
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Tamaki is an asshat. I've spoken to him personally (a feat considering the number of guards this guy has) and he really had nothing to say except "It's wrong. The Bible says so."
I wasn't in Wellington for his "Enough is Enough" march, but I marched against him in Auckland earlier this year. I will do so again at his next rally.
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I wasn't in Wellington for his "Enough is Enough" march, but I marched against him in Auckland earlier this year. I will do so again at his next rally.
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Presumably compounded but the kind of wilful ignorance institutionalised by certain religious groups. "We don't want people having access to information about these things because it will lead to them thinking dangerous thoughts". "Dangerous thoughts" in this case being the fact that the vast majority of hetrosexual males are unlikely to feel inclined to engage in homosexual acts even if they don't think they will go to Hell for it.Imperial Overlord wrote:Their beliefs are closer to fearing the evil gays will corrupt us into degenerate homosexuals ourselves. They think its some kind of hedonistic slippery slope. First you're trying things other than the missionary position then comes drugs and homosexuality. Truth, fact, and logic are irrelevant to their beliefs. To them homosexuality is a the product of decadence and a moral failing. So everyone can be corrupted, but if you love Jesus enough you can resist and be saved.The Morrigan wrote:Under seige?
It is a continuing source of perplexity to me, why people seem to view homosexuality as some kind of threat. I mean what are they going to do? Infect all us straight people with gay-germs?
So no, the don't believe in gay germs, but they do believe you can catch it.
After all, this is completely straightforward. What could possibly go wrong?
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The "Enough is Enough" march has got to have been one of the most retarded things I've ever seen. "First the government will allow gay people to marry, AND THEN WHAT!? They'll all be all like...gay...and married! Enough is enough!"
Also "in four years Destiny Church will rule New Zealand."
I just thought I'd throw that in incase anyone's wondering exactly what breed of fundie Tamaki is. Mind you, I think it's safe to say that we're in relatively little danger from this moron, Ralph Nader would stand a better chance of being elected King of China.
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Also "in four years Destiny Church will rule New Zealand."
I just thought I'd throw that in incase anyone's wondering exactly what breed of fundie Tamaki is. Mind you, I think it's safe to say that we're in relatively little danger from this moron, Ralph Nader would stand a better chance of being elected King of China.
This site's also great.
Add the paragraph at the bottom of the destiny church website for added hillarity.“New Zealand is a nation under siege”.
Why, because our families have for too long been under the rulership of an anti family - anti Christian government.
The moral decay brought about by liberal leadership and immoral legislation is killing the potential of our children and our country.
This year we face the most important election of our lifetime. The future of our nation is at stake.
This nationwide speaking tour and video message is an exposé by Bishop Brian Tamaki. He will present to you some very important factual information to consider.
It will expose:
1. A government gone evil
2. A radical homosexual agenda
3. The Media: a modern day witchcraft, and
4. The retreat of religion in New Zealand
New Zealand is in a state of emergency now and a social disaster has struck our nation.
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A bit the family way, eh?Spyder wrote:
Add the paragraph at the bottom of the destiny church website for added hillarity.
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I should probably not be suprised that Tamaki would try to present how rotten and un-christian the country is with one hand while trying to sell it for a quick buck in the other. His motives certainly aren't complicated.[/quote]Spyder wrote:A bit the family way, eh?Stuart Mackey wrote:
This is true, and he has always mainaind there is nothing wrong in weath.
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