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A Lesson for Everyone (USSS Plans to interview Eminem)

Post by theski » 2003-12-08 11:38am

The Secret Service is planning to conduct an interview with rapper EMINEM, government sources tell the DRUDGE REPORT, after a new song by the artist appeared on the Internet -- a song that wished the "president dead!"

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"We take all matters involving comments made about the death of a sitting president very seriously," a well-placed government source directly involved in the matter said this weekend. "This matter will be investigated fully, and I expect Mr. Mathers will be interviewed directly."
I see a body cavity search coming up.. :lol:

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Post by Xenophobe3691 » 2003-12-08 11:47am

Hey, it's illegal to say you wanna kill the president, and that cut it WAY too close...
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Post by General Zod » 2003-12-08 12:28pm

that is borderline treason. making a threat on the president's life outright is considered treason, which is one of the few crimes you can straight out get the death penalty for.
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Post by Montcalm » 2003-12-08 12:44pm

[Sarcastic Mode On]He`s an entertainer its only a song[Sarcastic Mode Off] :roll: what a dumbass
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Post by Joe » 2003-12-08 03:03pm

I'm sure this will be taken as the latest evidence of what a repressive police state the U.S. is.
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Post by Durandal » 2003-12-08 03:09pm

Darth_Zod wrote:that is borderline treason. making a threat on the president's life outright is considered treason, which is one of the few crimes you can straight out get the death penalty for.
No, it's not. You can be arrested and charged for saying that you want to kill the president, but no sane judge would ever hand out the death penalty.
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Post by pecker » 2003-12-08 03:50pm

Durran Korr wrote:I'm sure this will be taken as the latest evidence of what a repressive police state the U.S. is.
Yeah, cuz you know, investigating thinly veiled threats against politicians is SOOO 1984 :P
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Post by phongn » 2003-12-08 04:10pm

Darth_Zod wrote:that is borderline treason. making a threat on the president's life outright is considered treason, which is one of the few crimes you can straight out get the death penalty for.
No, it's not. Read your Constitution.
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Post by ArmorPierce » 2003-12-08 05:44pm

From the lyrics that I saw, it looks like he was talking about money.
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Post by Stormbringer » 2003-12-08 05:57pm

phongn wrote:
Darth_Zod wrote:that is borderline treason. making a threat on the president's life outright is considered treason, which is one of the few crimes you can straight out get the death penalty for.
No, it's not. Read your Constitution.
Yeah, it's not illegal persay (legit threats are treated the same as they would be for any person ) but no doubt you'll get a nice little file at the Secret Service.
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Post by Iceberg » 2003-12-08 09:13pm

So now you can get investigated for saying "I wish the president was dead."

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Post by Montcalm » 2003-12-08 09:16pm

Iceberg wrote:So now you can get investigated for saying "I wish the president was dead."

Fuck.
What if someone said "I wish Eminem was dead" :?
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Post by Joe » 2003-12-08 09:18pm

You know what the ironic thing is about this? The Eminem song in question is actually a pro-gun rights rant.
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Post by Joe » 2003-12-08 09:26pm

Also, considering the lyrics:

"F--- money. I don't rap for dead presidents. I'd rather see the president dead." He reverses the line, a common technique in rap.

He might have been simply saying "I would rather see the President dead than to rap for money." I honestly don't think that he thought this would be construed as an anti-Bush line, given that Eminem has never expressed any Bush hatred. He has bashed Lynne Cheney a bit, though.
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Post by ArmorPierce » 2003-12-08 11:05pm

Durran Korr wrote:Also, considering the lyrics:

"F--- money. I don't rap for dead presidents. I'd rather see the president dead." He reverses the line, a common technique in rap.

He might have been simply saying "I would rather see the President dead than to rap for money."
To me it looks like he's saying fuck money, he doesn't rap for money (refered to by the dead presidents, dead president pictures are on the picture), I'd rather see the president dead (meaning just that, he'd rather see the president dead, so.... ?)
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Post by Stormbringer » 2003-12-08 11:30pm

Iceberg wrote:So now you can get investigated for saying "I wish the president was dead."

Fuck.
You can get investigated for saying you wish anyone dead, it's just the Secret Service don't have the sense of humor of your local cops.
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Post by Jim Raynor » 2003-12-09 12:04am

"F--- money. I don't rap for dead presidents.
I don't mean to push this thread off topic, but I just have to say that Eminem's full of shit when he's saying this.

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Post by Vympel » 2003-12-09 03:57am

You can be arrested and charged for saying you want to kill the President? Under what law?
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Post by Shogoki » 2003-12-09 04:14am

Durran Korr wrote:Also, considering the lyrics:

"F--- money. I don't rap for dead presidents. I'd rather see the president dead." He reverses the line, a common technique in rap.

He might have been simply saying "I would rather see the President dead than to rap for money." I honestly don't think that he thought this would be construed as an anti-Bush line, given that Eminem has never expressed any Bush hatred. He has bashed Lynne Cheney a bit, though.
I think it's more like "I'll rather be payed for my rapping with a dead President than with money", wich is saying he would give a concert or something in exchange for someone killing the President. Anyway, he deserves to be investigated even if it's just bullshit.

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Post by Gunshy » 2003-12-09 04:33am

Vympel wrote:
You can be arrested and charged for saying you want to kill the President? Under what law?
Title 18, Part I, Chapter 41, Section 871:
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Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

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Post by Sarevok » 2003-12-09 07:40am

Well Eminem was not serious about this so the above should not apply.
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Post by Shogoki » 2003-12-09 08:21am

I doubt he didn't know what he was saying, so yes, it applies.

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Post by Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman » 2003-12-09 01:09pm

Gunshy wrote:Vympel wrote:
You can be arrested and charged for saying you want to kill the President? Under what law?
Title 18, Part I, Chapter 41, Section 871:
(a)

Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

Guys, I ain't no american. Heck, I ain't livin' in da U.S. either. But who's the moron who wrote that law anyway? How about freedom of speech? Is saying you wanna kill someone the same with actually killing him? Is threat going make you actually dead?????

Look, I don't even like Eminem (Sean Paul is a much better rapper, for that matter :)), but if they gonna' drag him to the court for his lyrics.....

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Post by phongn » 2003-12-09 01:27pm

Freedom of speech does not let you make threats, whether to your neighbor or POTUS. However, whereas your local police may let you off the hook for threatening your neighbor, the USSS is much less lenient.

I seriously doubt that he's going to prison or anything. The Secret Service is probably just going to interview him and perhaps give him a warning and that's it.
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