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Road rage shootings increase as new laws increase guns in cars

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Road Rage Shootings Soar as New Laws Put More Guns in Cars
Henry Hoenig
Updated on Jan 21, 2023 · 4 min read

With the number of road rage shootings doubling in recent years, the next time a person is angrily tailgating you, consider whether they have a loaded gun at hand.
More than two-thirds of all states — 35 in total — now allow residents to carry loaded handguns in their cars without any special permit or formal training. They include 25 states that have passed “permitless carry” laws, most of them in the past five years, including Alabama, Ohio and Indiana this year.




With the number of road rage shootings doubling in recent years, the next time a person is angrily tailgating you, consider whether they have a loaded gun at hand.
More than two-thirds of all states — 35 in total — now allow residents to carry loaded handguns in their cars without any special permit or formal training. They include 25 states that have passed “permitless carry” laws, most of them in the past five years, including Alabama, Ohio and Indiana this year.

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In 35 states it is now legal for people to carry a loaded handgun in their vehicle without obtaining any sort of permit. (That includes Alabama, whose “permitless carry” law will take effect in January 2023.)
In the past five years, at least 19 states have passed permitless carry laws, which grant people the right to carry loaded handguns in public, including in their vehicles, without a license or any formal training. Not all states that allow people to keep loaded guns in their cars are permitless carry states.
The number of “road rage” shootings doubled from 2018 through 2021, when they totaled at least 522 nationwide, resulting in at least 131 deaths.
Texas, Florida and California have seen the most fatal road rage shootings over the past five years. New Mexico, Arizona and Tennessee have seen the most per capita.
Having a gun in the car has been linked to an increase in aggressive driving, and permitless carry laws have been
linked to an increase in violent crimes

Most permitless carry laws don’t mention vehicles. They simply grant most people the right to carry concealed weapons pretty much wherever they please, with rare exceptions often including public venues such as schools and courthouses or private property if the owner objects. (In a handful of the 35 states where it is legal to keep a loaded gun in a vehicle, the gun must not be concealed. It must be visible to someone who might be approaching the car — for example, mounted on the dashboard.)
But of course people who carry guns in public will have guns on them or in their cars when they are driving. So if more people are carrying guns as a result of these laws, it is safe to assume there are more guns in cars and on the streets and roads.
Researchers have found that merely having a gun in the car makes people drive more aggressively, including tailgating, making obscene gestures at other drivers, or both. And the presence of a gun can quickly turn an ugly incident into a deadly one.
Temperatures Rising
Road rage is a growing problem. The numbers of people shot in road rage incidents totaled at least 522 in 2021, according to data from Everytown for Gun Safety and the Gun Violence Archive. That’s the most on record, and more than double the number just three years earlier, they said. (Data on road rage is likely incomplete, particularly on the national level, meaning there are probably more shootings and fatalities than that.)

On a per capita basis, New Mexico saw both the most road rage shootings and the highest number of fatal ones over the past five years. Nine of the 10 states with the most fatal road rage shootings per capita are all permitless carry states. Only two states — North Dakota and Wyoming — did not record any road rage shootings during those five years.

No single factor — gun-related or otherwise — has been definitively established as the cause of the recent increase in road rage and resulting shootings. A number of trends could help explain it. Stress levels have soared since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, as have (possibly related) incidents of aggressive driving and traffic fatalities. Gun sales have also soared to record levels. And, of course, tens of millions of people have been allowed for the first time to carry loaded handguns in their cars.
Still, multiple studies have found that permitless carry laws result in more violent crime. According to a 2022 report by researchers at Stanford Law School and Duke University, the enactment of such laws led to a 29% increase in violent firearm crimes in 47 major cities and a 35% increase in gun thefts, often from vehicles.
Conclusion
The Supreme Court’s recent ruling that it was unconstitutional for cities and states to require people to demonstrate a need to carry a concealed weapon before being permitted to do so will only affect the handful of states — such as California, New Jersey and Massachusetts — that still have such a requirement. Another thing the court’s ruling did was recognize a constitutional right to carry a firearm in public, opening the door to future court challenges to virtually every single gun-control law.
Meanwhile, road rage incidents seem likely to become more frequent and dangerous as more and more stressed-out drivers confront each other with firearms. So, for your safety, think twice about responding the next time a motorist makes an obscene gesture or cuts in front of you.
Regarding study showing increased aggression
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 3117302111
In discussions about guns, one factor rarely considered is the fact that merely seeing a gun can increase aggression. This effect—called the “weapons effect”—was first demonstrated in a 1967 study, and has been replicated many times since then. The present experiment used a driving simulator to provide a novel test of the weapons effect. One of the most dangerous activities people engage in is driving a vehicle, and survey studies indicate that driving might be more dangerous if there is a gun in the vehicle. In this experiment, participants (N = 60) were randomly assigned to drive a frustrating driving scenario with a gun or a tennis racket in the vehicle's passenger seat. Participants drove more aggressively when there was a gun in the vehicle than when there was a tennis racket in the vehicle. These findings suggest that the mere presence of a gun can make drivers more aggressive.
The Weapons effect IS controversial in social psychology. That part of the article relies on some dodgy science as gun advocates Kleck has argued the opposite, weapons were more likely to be present in dangerous situations which escalated into conflict, causing gun deaths to be recorded erroneously.

We can show however that concealed carry laws in the US has generally increased rates of firearm homicide
https://www.rand.org/research/gun-polic ... crime.html
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TLDR: more road rage shootings happening in California and Texas recently, doubled rate of shootings since weapons allowed to be carried in vehicles be it concealed carry or permit less carry, the more laxer the laws on gun use in public, the more violent shootings increase.
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An interesting thing would be to check if road rage incidents did increase in other states, as well.
Which would be hard, since only road rage shootouts are definitely getting recorded, and other cases might not be reported or filed, that thoroughly.
Though violent incidents most likely will end up in some statistics, somehow.

My point is - maybe road raging in general is up, even more, and the number of shootings actually rose less than the total number of incidents, which would mean that the gun in the car actually decreased the occurrence of shooting incidents.
Maybe incidents increased more in other states where you don't have a gun in the car, but since there is no gun, the shootings did not occur.

Because one factor cited is the pandemic and stress, which is something that is happening everywhere, not just in those 35 states.

Also - the article does not point out if these were reasonable self defense incidents, or just the road rager getting out and shooting the people in the other car. Because if most of these 500 cases were situations where someone went and started smashing windows in with a crowbar, or waving a gun around at them (which also occured before, but law-abiding citizens did not have guns in the car, back then, and so it was just due to chance and luck if the guy actually started shooting or just yelled and brandished) and the inhabitants then shot him in self defense, then the whole article is just misleading propaganda.
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Tried the NHTSA, but they only have data on crashes... I'll keep on looking around...
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LaCroix wrote: 2023-12-15 04:46am An interesting thing would be to check if road rage incidents did increase in other states, as well.
Which would be hard, since only road rage shootouts are definitely getting recorded, and other cases might not be reported or filed, that thoroughly.
Though violent incidents most likely will end up in some statistics, somehow.

My point is - maybe road raging in general is up, even more, and the number of shootings actually rose less than the total number of incidents, which would mean that the gun in the car actually decreased the occurrence of shooting incidents.
Maybe incidents increased more in other states where you don't have a gun in the car, but since there is no gun, the shootings did not occur.

Because one factor cited is the pandemic and stress, which is something that is happening everywhere, not just in those 35 states.

Also - the article does not point out if these were reasonable self defense incidents, or just the road rager getting out and shooting the people in the other car. Because if most of these 500 cases were situations where someone went and started smashing windows in with a crowbar, or waving a gun around at them (which also occured before, but law-abiding citizens did not have guns in the car, back then, and so it was just due to chance and luck if the guy actually started shooting or just yelled and brandished) and the inhabitants then shot him in self defense, then the whole article is just misleading propaganda.
That's sort of missing the point.


Road rage incidents has much less rism of morbidity or fatality
Compared to Road Rage Shootings.

As for misleading propaganda. Hm. Let's look up what just happened this week.

https://www.cbsnews.com/detroit/news/ro ... e-i-94-75/

https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local ... 554044.php

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/sanfrancisc ... wood-road/

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/i-17- ... -situation

That's just this week ALONE.

Note that every town research only counts road rage shootings that includes deaths.


Given that covid has made every American crazy, the doubling in incidents is missing out a LOT of shots fired but nobody killed. Or as documented, no human hurt, since Dogs have been shot at.
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Yeah, those are the bad kind of data points.

Still, I am interested in the full data. Becasue these 4 anecdote do not tell us anything about:

How much has "road rage" increased in the same period. The whole shebang from shootout to yells in passing by or flips the bird spectrum.
How much have non-gun related violent incidents increased.
How much have the "gets out of car and yells at people through their windscreen" type of "barely not violent" incident increased.
How many of this increase of gun use are murders/attempted murders (like your 4 examples) vs self defense against a real or perceived threat.
How much ist this a thing in the whole usa/gun-in-car states/ non-gun-in-car states.

Because this makes the difference between (at least)3 conclusions:

1 Allowing guns in cars has made people kill others instead of just smashing up their cars/beating them to death with tools.
2 Allowing guns did the above, but also allowed more people to defend themselves from geting beaten up /shot while driving.
3 All of america has gone batshit insane with road rage, and the shootings have actually become less likely, it's just road rage happens so much more often that the numbers for shootings have also doubled.

Apart from the questions if this is really only a thing there, or everywhere...
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I'm going to say that just counting angels on the pinhead for one reason.
https://www.6pr.com.au/post-covid-19-fr ... age-surge/

Road rage has increased in multiple countries, such as Australia. France is still classed as Europe most aggressive drivers and conditions has worsened post COVID. France is 12th largest owner of guns per capita.

Guess what? Road rage shootings don't have the same frequency as the USA.


Canada is 7th largest owner of guns per capita.
https://globalnews.ca/news/9796469/road ... ts-canada/

It has seen a rise in road rage this year too.
And this has caused several road rage shootings to be reported in the news.

https://globalnews.ca/news/9748954/wilm ... oo-police/

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/two ... aa310.html


While we don't have research covering recent events, we can show that

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC126507/

From 1998-2000, 4 deaths occurred, 3 as a result of shooting.

Going off Google news reporting, which is NOT systematic and etc, they haven't had the same dramatic rise in road rage shootings as per the US.


To summarise.


We can conclude that road rage has increased worldwide.

Fatalities from shooting in America has increased dramatically.


To reduce fatalities. We can adopt two options.


1. Reduce the cause for road rage. Good luck solving that.


2. Reduce the harm caused during road rage. Hmmm... Preventing guns from being stored with ammo, permit less carry DOES seems to be making a difference if you compare it inter-state or inter-country.
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Note that while we do not have proof that permit less or concealed carry laws caused an increase in road rage shootings, we do have proof that concealed carry laws actually correlate with an increase in homicide rates.

Correlation yes, not causation, but given how restricting gun availability has reduce firearm homicide worldwide, there's very little reason to support relaxing laws or etc that make it easier to wield firearms in vehicles.
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