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In Buffalo a 75 Year Old Peace Activist tried to return a lost SWAT Helmet to the police.

The police flipped him on his back, smashing his head into the concrete, and walked around him while he bled out on the sidewalk.

The police claimed he tripped. Video was posted that showed that was, absolutely, not the case.

The police department suspended the two cops who flipped him without pay. The rest of the SWAT force has since resigned from the swat team in protest to the suspension. Their actual argument is that they were just following orders.

ACAB.

EDIT: I'll add, the most amazing part of this is that the cops can't even organize a walkout correctly. It's astounding.
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I think there are plenty of other cops more than willing to be on SWAT.
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Straha wrote: 2020-06-05 05:34pm In Buffalo a 75 Year Old Peace Activist tried to return a lost SWAT Helmet to the police.

The police flipped him on his back, smashing his head into the concrete, and walked around him while he bled out on the sidewalk.

The police claimed he tripped. Video was posted that showed that was, absolutely, not the case.

The police department suspended the two cops who flipped him without pay. The rest of the SWAT force has since resigned from the swat team in protest to the suspension. Their actual argument is that they were just following orders.

ACAB.

EDIT: I'll add, the most amazing part of this is that the cops can't even organize a walkout correctly. It's astounding.
Tell them since they resigned, they forfeited their pension.
Tell them any more shit like this if they stay (making claims that are later proven false), they forfeit their pension.

Hell, tell all cops that.
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Solauren wrote: 2020-06-05 06:19pm
Straha wrote: 2020-06-05 05:34pm *snip
Tell them since they resigned, they forfeited their pension.
Tell them any more shit like this if they stay (making claims that are later proven false), they forfeit their pension.

Hell, tell all cops that.
SWAT force is an additional thing on top of being a police officer most places. First you get a position as a police officer then later via hard work/cronyism/they needed a guy you can opt to be part of SWAT and a few times a year/month/once a week you go down and do SWAT things be it practice raids, drills, seminars, classroom or in field real life SWAT work. These police officers did not give up their jobs just resigned from that program.

SWAT as a program has widely different requirements between departments, widely different levels of funding, staffing and commitment. In some places going SWAT means that's all you do, in others it just means your name is on a list to play dress up when your Chief wants to show off and raid someone's house who failed to show up to court.

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Glad they resigned. That's 57 less entitled wannabe Gestapo in uniform.
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Wow: the co-founder of Reddit, Alexis Ohanian, has resigned from the board, and urged Reddit to replace him with a black candidate. He has also pledged to use his future income from Reddit stock to serve the black community and oppose racial hate.

Reddit has said it will honour his request to replace him with a black board member.

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Reddit Co-founder Alexis Ohanian on Friday announced his resignation from the company’s board, saying he was stepping down and urging the company to replace him with a black person.

Ohanian also committed to using future gains from his Reddit stock to serve the black community and focus on curbing racial hate.

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Alexis Ohanian holds daughter Alexis Olympia Ohanian Jr. following the women’s singles match between his wife, Serena Williams, and Katie Boulter of Great Britain during day six of the 2019 Hopman Cup at RAC Arena on January 03, 2019 in Perth, Australia.

Reddit Co-founder Alexis Ohanian on Friday announced his resignation from the company’s board, saying he was stepping down and urging the company to replace him with a black candidate.

“I’m writing this as a father who needs to be able to answer his black daughter when she asks: ‘What did you do?’” Ohanian wrote in a blog post.

Ohanian, who is married to professional tennis player Serena Williams, also committed to using future gains from his Reddit stock to serve the black community and focus on curbing racial hate. To start, Ohanian said he would donate $1 million to former NFL player and activist Colin Kaepernick’s Know Your Rights Camp.

“I believe resignation can actually be an act of leadership from people in power right now. To everyone fighting to fix our broken nation: do not stop,” Ohanian said.

Reddit plans to honor Ohanian’s request that his board seat be filled by a black candidate, CEO and Co-founder Steve Huffman said in a post on Friday. Huffman thanks Ohanian for his service to the company, and he added that Reddit will update its content policy, which will include a statement on hate.

“Despite making significant progress over the years, we have to turn a mirror on ourselves and be willing to do the hard work of making sure we are living up to our values in our product and policies,” Huffman said in his post.

Ohanian co-founded Reddit in 2005. After selling the company to Conde Nast in 2006, Ohanian and co-founder Steve Huffman returned to the company full time in 2015. Ohanian stepped back from a day-to-day role in 2018 while continuing to serve on the board.
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The Romulan Republic wrote: 2020-06-05 06:40pm Glad they resigned. That's 57 less entitled wannabe Gestapo in uniform.
They're still in uniform. Just not on the SWAT Force.
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Straha wrote: 2020-06-05 05:34pm In Buffalo a 75 Year Old Peace Activist tried to return a lost SWAT Helmet to the police.

The police flipped him on his back, smashing his head into the concrete, and walked around him while he bled out on the sidewalk.

The police claimed he tripped. Video was posted that showed that was, absolutely, not the case.

The police department suspended the two cops who flipped him without pay. The rest of the SWAT force has since resigned from the swat team in protest to the suspension. Their actual argument is that they were just following orders.

ACAB.

EDIT: I'll add, the most amazing part of this is that the cops can't even organize a walkout correctly. It's astounding.
At first I couldn't tell why the guy went up to the police, I see now he had a helmet in his hand. Guy thought he was doing a good thing.

"Their actual argument is that they were just following orders."
Ahh, the Nuremberg defense. I didn't see this stated in the article. Maybe I am blind or can't read.
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loomer wrote: 2020-06-05 12:58pm They're also renaming part of the street to Black Lives Matter Plaza. It'll make Trump foam at the mouth but it is purely performative, and the Black leftists I follow are displeased by it.
"performative" or not, symbols matter. Symbols can inspire the rise or fall of a nation, and Lafayette Square has become one.

They are, of course, of limited use, and can be little more than a PR stunt, if they do not inspire further action.

But yeah, this'll sting Trump's ego like hell.
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Oregon Police conspired with the Proud Boys to let them avoid curfew and so they didn't need to answer the tough question of "Why arrest black people but not white people?"

ACAB.
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Aether wrote: 2020-06-05 07:13pm At first I couldn't tell why the guy went up to the police, I see now he had a helmet in his hand. Guy thought he was doing a good thing.

"Their actual argument is that they were just following orders."
Ahh, the Nuremberg defense. I didn't see this stated in the article. Maybe I am blind or can't read.
It may not be in that article. Here it is from local news:
Buffalo News wrote:"Our position is these officers were simply following orders from Deputy Police Commissioner Joseph Gramaglia to clear the square," Evans said. "It doesn't specify clear the square of men, 50 and under or 15 to 40. They were simply doing their job. I don't know how much contact was made. He did slip in my estimation. He fell backwards."

Evans said the PBA stands "behind those officers 100%" and that the union would pay for any defense costs for the two officers, Evans said.
ACAB.
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Straha wrote: 2020-06-05 07:28pm Oregon Police conspired with the Proud Boys to let them avoid curfew and so they didn't need to answer the tough question of "Why arrest black people but not white people?"

ACAB.
Damn. I am blessed with a lot of different friends across the political spectrum, but I gua-ran-tee you this will be "It's only one bad apple."

I sincerely hope these protests induce change across the US. I am not partaking in the protests myself even though several friends are. I did donate to the ACLU though.
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The Romulan Republic wrote: 2020-06-05 07:19pm "performative" or not, symbols matter. Symbols can inspire the rise or fall of a nation, and Lafayette Square has become one.

They are, of course, of limited use, and can be little more than a PR stunt, if they do not inspire further action.

But yeah, this'll sting Trump's ego like hell.
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Aether wrote: 2020-06-05 07:43pm
Straha wrote: 2020-06-05 07:28pm Oregon Police conspired with the Proud Boys to let them avoid curfew and so they didn't need to answer the tough question of "Why arrest black people but not white people?"

ACAB.
Damn. I am blessed with a lot of different friends across the political spectrum, but I gua-ran-tee you this will be "It's only one bad apple."

I sincerely hope these protests induce change across the US. I am not partaking in the protests myself even though several friends are. I did donate to the ACLU though.
I'll be attending a protest Sunday.

I haven't donated yet, but probably will throw some money the ACLU's way once I make sure my bills are paid off, as well as continuing my volunteering and donating to the Democratic Party's election efforts.
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A friend of mine who does serious organizing and advocacy work in Baltimore has been sharing this chart explaining the difference between surface level reforms of the police and methods to abolish their power and rein them in. I highly recommend it.
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Quick note while I'm focused on Australia, but Portland police have again deployed chemical weapons against non-violent protestors even though they've been directed to cease utilizing them.
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loomer wrote: 2020-06-06 02:49am Quick note while I'm focused on Australia, but Portland police have again deployed chemical weapons against non-violent protestors even though they've been directed to cease utilizing them.
So now we're at the point where police are disobeying orders from local government to act as fascist enforcers.

Fortunately a significant portion of the military leadership seems to be reluctant to simply act as foot soldiers for Trump still.

What I think we're getting right now is some foreshadowing of who will likely follow Trump's orders and who won't when/if he gives the order to surpress or overturn the election.
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So while I had my focus here on Australia, Portland apparently heated up again as the protestors retaliated against regime forces who gassed them by pelting them with stones using slingshots and attempting to storm the local garrison of the militarized police force. It's as though repeatedly teargassing, macing, and beating crowds radicalizes them or something.
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Good news folks
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Turns out racial violence is great for your 401k ....
Take from CNN this really was a graphic on a Fox News story about market performance after major civil rights incidents.

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Countdown to Trump using that for another of his 'George would be proud, things are great' bullshit speeches?
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Considering that the last time a big police department went on strike the crime rates went down, I'd just let them strike. Bye you spoiled bitches, shove your Blue Wall up your ass!
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"Philly police threaten to show who should be fired after DA files charges against Inspectors"
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A pretty good video about what's going on in the US and the rhetoric we use around the cops and protests:

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