Missouri house bill 2044 would set up "parental oversight committees" to censor libraries, jail librarians who disobey.

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Missouri house bill 2044 would set up "parental oversight committees" to censor libraries, jail librarians who disobey.

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Edit: When I click the link my computer gives me a warning saying it can't establish a secure connection due to an "invalid response". Not sure what the problem is, the link is typed correctly, and when I went to the page originally I had no trouble (I found the story via a link on Neil Gaiman's Tumblr page, if anyone's curious). But fair warning.

https://cbldf.org/2020/01/cbldf-stands- ... amendment/
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CBLDF has joined with other free expression organizations to speak out against Missouri House Bill 2044, as it stands in opposition to rights granted to all U.S. citizens by the First Amendment and any perceived merit is redundant with existing legislation. The bill, written and submitted by Rep. Ben Baker, aims to create parental oversight committees that would decide what is and isn’t appropriate for all children at their library. These committees would have no appeal process, libraries that did not adhere to the bill would lose funding, and librarians who defy the parental committee could face fines and jail time. Baker has openly said he wrote this bill, not to ban books, but to remove Drag Queen Story Hours.

From the letter,

The bill poses serious constitutional dangers by threatening to punish librarians for allowing minors to read constitutionally protected material that offends the personal morals of some individuals in the community. The bill proposes to restrict the freedom of librarians to exercise professional judgment in selecting books for their value to young people, which will result in a chilling effect and a grave violation of the First Amendment rights guaranteed to parents and children in the community.

Rep. Baker has told news organizations that opponents are misconstruing the bill, saying opponents “claim I want to throw librarians in jail for allowing our children to access age-inappropriate materials. The truth is there is a penalty of the law for not following the wishes of the community, but it is much less than the current law regarding disseminating objectionable materials to a minor. Currently, it’s a felony but the penalty under the bill is a misdemeanor.”

But Baker misrepresents the differences between his bill and the existing legislation that makes providing obscene materials to a minor a felony – most notably that currently, the legislation creates a reasonable definition for “pornographic for minors” which includes: “The material or performance, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value for minors.” That language, found in most obscenity legislation, derives from the landmark 1973 case Miller v. California, and was added to make it easier for courts to determine what is obscene. As the CBLDF letter points out,

when someone is charged with distributing obscene material or material harmful to minors, a jury hears testimony from experts regarding whether the work has value. In contrast, HB 2044 includes no requirement that oversight committees consult experts; instead, it allows an unqualified minority of five people to use their own subjective judgment regarding whether a work has value, without requiring that those people have any knowledge of literature, art, or science.

Read the entire letter below or go back and check out CBLDF’s in-depth coverage of HB 2044 with Drag Queen Story Hours the Target of MO Library Bill and New Bill in MO Wants Parents to Oversee Library’s YA Collection.
And they equate: "showing children anything we disagree with" to "showing children pornography"/being a pedophile. Because of course they do.

The Reich Wing sure does like calling people they disagree with pedophiles, don't they? Projection, much?

I'm guessing this would mean the banning of any book that advocates a religion other than Christianity, most fantasy novels (for "promoting Satanism"), almost anything on science, and anything anti-Trump. I'd like to think even the current Supreme Court wouldn't uphold this, but these days, I honestly don't know.
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The CBLDF is gearing up to fight this. I would be surprised if the ACLU is as well.

But, yeah, this is a nasty time for this to come out.
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Also, it's sponsored by all of two reps from, respectively, nowhere and nowhere, isn't scheduled for a vote or even a committee hearing, and is obviously unconstitutional with no real support from anybody, as far as I can tell. I promise, the sky isn't falling quite yet.
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Not sure what to say. I have zero confidence in SCOTUS to reverse this shit. If the DEMS can capture the Senate... IMPEACH TRUMP JUDGES.
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Knife wrote: 2020-02-04 06:32pm Not sure what to say. I have zero confidence in SCOTUS to reverse this shit. If the DEMS can capture the Senate... IMPEACH TRUMP JUDGES.
Well, we can hope it will never pass, or won't pass until the Dems win back control of the Senate and the ability to appoint judges.

The good news on the impeachment front is that Judiciary Chair Nadler has expressed some openness to the possibility of a Kavanaugh impeachment. When asked about it back in the summer IIRC, his answer amounted to "We're busy focussing on impeaching Trump right now". It definitely wasn't a "no", more a "we've got bigger, oranger fish to fry right now."
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If Ruth Ginsburg holds out for 11 months she can be replace by a liberal.

I’d impeach Kavanaugh definitely but Gorscuch might be a tough sell. The man’s a prick but from what I’ve seen he hasn’t done Kavanaugh level shit (I fully believe Kavanaugh is a rapist)
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Darth Yan wrote: 2020-02-08 12:14am If Ruth Ginsburg holds out for 11 months she can be replace by a liberal.

I’d impeach Kavanaugh definitely but Gorscuch might be a tough sell. The man’s a prick but from what I’ve seen he hasn’t done Kavanaugh level shit (I fully believe Kavanaugh is a rapist)
Yeah. Moreover, even if they can't prove rape against Kavanaugh, they can absolutely nail the fucker for lying under oath (ie perjury) during his confirmation hearings. Heck, forget impeachment- there's no rule saying a judge can't be indicted, unlike a President.

Gorsuch should never have occupied that seat, given that McConnell blatantly obstructed Obama's constitutional authority by failing to fulfill the Senate's constitutional obligations, but Gorsuch himself hasn't done anything bad himself, as far as I'm aware, except for being a conservative and accepting a seat he had no right to. I doubt even a two-thirds blue Senate would be able to get the votes to remove him.
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