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‘Not a level playing field’: NZ restaurants speak out on Uber Eats
Small businesses have told The Spinoff that hefty commission fees from the global delivery giant are pushing them to the brink, and are asking why global fast food chains get a discount.

Small hospitality businesses are paying substantially higher commission rates to Uber Eats than fast food giants using the food-delivery app, and some say it’s threatening their survival.

The standard commission rate New Zealand businesses pay to Uber Eats per order is 35%, but large international companies like McDonald’s, which are able to use the negotiating power of their scale, are thought to pay closer to 20%.

Some local businesses have managed to negotiate a rate lower than 35%. Better Burger, which has four Auckland outlets on Uber Eats, confirmed it had done so, as did Hell Pizza, which has dozens of stores nationwide. But other multiple-site businesses said their requests to negotiate had been rejected.

Tina Nguyen, co-owner of Wellington Vietnamese restaurant business Where’s Charlie, has four stores on Uber Eats but still pays 35% commission per order. “After we opened the second and third stores, I asked them if they would do us a deal since we have a few restaurants with them, and they said no, that’s a standard percentage and no one else gets any different.”

The Spinoff has sought clarification from Uber on whether they offer different rates to different businesses.

Nguyen said Where’s Charlie paid a $500 startup fee when each of its sites joined Uber Eats, including $160 each time for photography that happened only once. “I said to them obviously the photography was only done for one restaurant – we use the same menu for all the stores, so technically we shouldn’t be charged for photography for the other stores, but they charged us anyway.”

Joel Stirling recently closed the Ponsonby branch of his business Poke Bar after dine-in customers dried up. With 80% of orders coming through Uber Eats, and 30% of the cost of each of those going to the app, it wasn’t sustainable to stay open, Stirling told the NZ Herald.

Stirling, whose three other Auckland stores are still on Uber Eats but are able to survive through substantial in-store business, pays 30% rather than 35% because he was a launch partner, signing up when Uber Eats first arrived in New Zealand in 2017.

“We were one of the first to jump on board during the trial period,” he said. “They wanted 35% and we said there’s no point for 35, we’ll do it for 30. Then they said they wanted to put it up to 35 after 12 months and we said we’ll leave, so they kept it at 30. Even at 30 you’re not making any money.”

Since then he has attempted to negotiate the rate down, but to no avail. “We explained to them that we needed a better rate for Ponsonby or we’re closing down, because it’s not sustainable. When you’re too busy on Uber Eats you need to hire more staff, so it’s sort of a catch 22.

“They just said oh well, there’s nothing they can do about it. They’ve always said from the beginning that everyone’s on the same rate, but they’re not.”

Stirling says he’s spoken to the managers of neighbouring businesses – his remaining three Poke Bar sites are on Queen Street and in the Sylvia Park and Westfield Albany malls – who were happy to reveal the rates they paid to Uber Eats. He says he’s been told that Subway pays 25% and McDonald’s 20%.

“It’s just not a level playing field,” said Stirling. “It makes it hard for the average Joe.”

As Coco’s Cantina did in July, Stirling is considering opening a “ghost restaurant” that exists solely on Uber Eats to cover the orders the Ponsonby Poke Bar was catering to.

Neither McDonald’s nor Subway would confirm the rates they paid to Uber Eats per order, with both saying it was commercially sensitive. Both Hell Pizza and Better Burger confirmed they had negotiated discounts, with Ben Cumming, Hell’s general manager, saying, “Hell does enjoy a slight reduction on the fee due to our volume through the platform. We are satisfied with the agreement we have with Uber.”

Josh Harre, Better Burger’s operations manager, confirmed the business had negotiated a lower rate through “a lot of work”, but wouldn’t give specifics.

“Ultimately the future of Uber commissions is going to be how we tailor negotiating with them,” he said.

Harre believes Uber essentially having a monopoly on the delivery market is problematic. Earlier this year, Uber Eats cut its standard commission rate from 35% to 30% in the UK in response to competition from other delivery apps, but while other services do exist in New Zealand, they don’t attract anything approaching the “eye traffic” that Uber Eats does.

“I think what Uber really needs to do is take responsibility for the fact that they’ve created a marketplace that is leveraging off brands that are already running small margins,” said Harre. “For a successful hospitality business, the margins are anywhere between 10 and 20%. You give Uber 35% of that and it’s like, where do you go from that?” he said.

“It’s a case of everyone is doing it because everyone else is doing it, but at what cost? What it’s going to come down to is how many have to drop out before they start moving the commission rate. I guess that’s why they look after the big boys, because as long as they’re still there it still has a certain attraction.”

“Right now when I go to negotiate a rate, I guess from Uber’s end they have confidence in the business model and that confidence is the monopoly and everything that comes with that. So you’re sort of negotiating against yourself, really.

“Because, OK, we could turn this off and stop giving [them] the commission, but what does that actually do to our business? There is no other place to go, so I think the only good that can come from it is if there are other competitors. If you look at some of the [delivery partner] brands operating in Australia, the commission rate is as low as 20 or 25%, which is more sustainable from a business point of view.”

Nguyen of Where’s Charlie said she has come close to pulling her business from Uber Eats many times. “It’s been playing on our minds.

“The only reason I stick with Uber is to keep up the momentum, because we want to bring our food to our customers but we have no delivery service ourselves.

“I think it might work OK with restaurants that sell their food for $20-25 – after 35% they will still have some sort of profit going into their pocket – but we sell our food for like $10-$11, so after 35%, after tax, after labour, we maybe make $1 or $2. It’s not a lot.”

In a statement issued to The Spinoff, Uber Eats said: “We have more than 1500 restaurant partners in New Zealand who choose to be on our platform because it helps them grow their business and reach new customers with a fast, reliable and efficient delivery option.”
More "disruption" from Uber. The only good news is that, as they have yet to figure out how to turn a profit, it's only a matter of time before bankruptcy.

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Uber is freezing hiring for software engineers and product managers across its US and Canadian workforce, the company acknowledged to Bloomberg on Friday. The shift was reported by Yahoo earlier in the day. The freeze does not apply to Uber's autonomous vehicle and freight-shipping divisions.

The news comes a day after Uber reported second-quarter operating losses of $5.4 billion—a new record for the company. That figure exaggerates Uber's quarterly burn rate because it includes more than $4 billion in one-time charges related to Uber's initial public offering. Still, excluding IPO-related charges leaves around $1.2 billion in operating losses, worse than the $1 billion the firm lost in the first quarter.

Uber recently laid off 400 marketing workers. According to Yahoo, Uber employees are worried that this could be a prelude to broader cuts as the company struggles to stem its losses.

"During a recent all-hands meeting, a question about potential layoffs in the engineering department was also raised, but executives didn't provide any timelines," Yahoo's Krystal Hu reports.

Uber is in no immediate financial danger. Despite years of losses, Uber had $13.7 billion in the bank at the end of the second quarter—a figure boosted by $8 billion in Uber's IPO. With that much cash in the bank, Uber can continue at its current burn rate for more than two years. But CEO Dara Khosrowshahi will face pressure from Wall Street to stem Uber's losses much sooner than that.
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Post by His Divine Shadow » 2019-09-04 02:35am

I've hated uber with a passion since I first heard of it, it's the representative image in my mind of techbros and their disruptions of society. I hope they go under soon.
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Post by ray245 » 2019-09-04 03:09am

Uber has been outcompeted by local taxi and ride-hailing companies across Asia.

The main thing that they came up with is using gps to help people get rides and driving the cost of rides down a little. (Which is possible if taxi drivers no longer have to take exams to memorise every single street in London thanks to gps)
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Post by mr friendly guy » 2019-09-04 04:04am

Uber has been outcompeted in Asia by the Asian equivalents, so not sure whether that is necessarily better. :?

To be honest, I have never taken an uber and always catch a taxi when I need to go to the airport (which lets face it, is the only time I would need a taxi as I would either drive or public transport). In China the Uber rival Didi Chuxing would have people lining up at the airport offering their services, but I always went with a cab.
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Post by ray245 » 2019-09-04 04:24am

mr friendly guy wrote:
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Uber has been outcompeted in Asia by the Asian equivalents, so not sure whether that is necessarily better. :?

To be honest, I have never taken an uber and always catch a taxi when I need to go to the airport (which lets face it, is the only time I would need a taxi as I would either drive or public transport). In China the Uber rival Didi Chuxing would have people lining up at the airport offering their services, but I always went with a cab.
Asian equivalents are usually backed by states' sovereign wealth fund, so there's that.

But now the technology has become cheap enough that normal taxi companies are using them as well.
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Post by His Divine Shadow » 2019-09-04 01:26pm

This felt relevant.

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Just nationalize Uber and give drivers full-time or part-time jobs.
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Post by bilateralrope » 2019-09-06 03:22pm

K. A. Pital wrote:
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Just nationalize Uber and give drivers full-time or part-time jobs.
Why risk giving the people who started Uber a return on their investment ?

I'm thinking it would be better to wait until Uber goes bankrupt and think about nationalising whoever replaces them.

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bilateralrope wrote:
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Just nationalize Uber and give drivers full-time or part-time jobs.
Why risk giving the people who started Uber a return on their investment ?

I'm thinking it would be better to wait until Uber goes bankrupt and think about nationalising whoever replaces them.
I meant nationalizing it after inevitable collapse. But you can also sue them for breaching the labour code, make the payout unbearable, then nationalize.
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Post by bilateralrope » 2019-09-07 12:23am

K. A. Pital wrote:
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I meant nationalizing it after inevitable collapse. But you can also sue them for breaching the labour code, make the payout unbearable, then nationalize.
I agree that they need to be hit for every time they violated labour laws. It's not about the payout, it's about sending a message to anyone else thinking of doing the same. Especially if the corporate veil can be pierced.

As for nationalising the remains, who does that help ?

I'd be more concerned with whatever company or companies that come to dominate the automated taxi market. Especially if it looks like they might eliminate personal vehicles.

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“Who does that help”? The workers.
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“Who does that help”? The workers.
From your point of view that's true for practically every business :roll: Except those that shouldn't exist.

Uber is just the end run of the huge wave of very cheap money rolling around the U.S. since the 2009 recovery. Every place that just needs to work on "unit economy" and improve their margins was just floating on waves of cheap cash going to startups instead of SMB loans.
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Ace Pace wrote:
2019-09-07 10:25am
K. A. Pital wrote:
2019-09-07 09:21am
“Who does that help”? The workers.
From your point of view that's true for practically every business :roll: Except those that shouldn't exist.

Uber is just the end run of the huge wave of very cheap money rolling around the U.S. since the 2009 recovery. Every place that just needs to work on "unit economy" and improve their margins was just floating on waves of cheap cash going to startups instead of SMB loans.
Yes. How does what you said relate to my point? Just destroying Uber would leave lots of people without employment. From a socialist point of view, its nationalization would provide people with steady job contracts and social insurance. It would also remove capitalists.

And yes, it is true for every business, except the ones that should not exist. If the business model is based on exploiting uninsured precariat, this business model has to go and the company who does it should be liquidated. Or reconstructed thoroughly to ensure the workers are properly protected. What’s your beef with what I said?
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Post by bilateralrope » 2019-09-08 12:32am

K. A. Pital wrote:
2019-09-07 11:11am
Just destroying Uber would leave lots of people without employment.
True. But how long will you keep them employed by your nationalised Uber once autonomous taxis start being deployed ?

I say it's better to focus on making sure there is a safety net for them when their jobs are taken by robots.

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K. A. Pital wrote:
2019-09-07 11:11am
Ace Pace wrote:
2019-09-07 10:25am
K. A. Pital wrote:
2019-09-07 09:21am
“Who does that help”? The workers.
From your point of view that's true for practically every business :roll: Except those that shouldn't exist.

Uber is just the end run of the huge wave of very cheap money rolling around the U.S. since the 2009 recovery. Every place that just needs to work on "unit economy" and improve their margins was just floating on waves of cheap cash going to startups instead of SMB loans.
What’s your beef with what I said?
That it's identical to every post you can make about every large business.
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Post by Xisiqomelir » 2019-09-08 03:18am

Whinge: Can we edit OP's title from "Uber" to "UberEats" please? I was staring in confusion for far too long

On-topic: Globalized corporatism at work, sadly. Quirky little joints with character aren't commodified enough to get the scale of guaranteed volumes for the business majors in UberEats manglement to do their "projections". Luckily my locals mostly have their own bike guys and still have real human beings on the phone for us to customize orders with.

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Post by His Divine Shadow » 2019-09-08 03:41am

Delivered food is not really a thing in Finland except in the biggest cities. And given the wage squeezing such a model of business seems to entail, I don't think I would use it.
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Post by mr friendly guy » 2019-09-08 03:57am

Another point with the delivery of food models, I have read previously its quite devastating for some restaurants because a lot of people who use this service, use the discounted first order (which they used to entice you to the service) and then don't use it again that frequently. I personally haven't used Ubereats, but I can see in certain times where it would be more convenient than going out.
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Ace Pace wrote:
2019-09-08 01:59am
That it's identical to every post you can make about every large business.
As I stand for nationalization of all large businesses (and Uber fits this as well), I still fail to see what is so bad here.
“bilateralrope” wrote:True. But how long will you keep them employed by your nationalised Uber once autonomous taxis start being deployed ?

I say it's better to focus on making sure there is a safety net for them when their jobs are taken by robots.
I have a fundamentally different view on things. Technical progress such as labour-saving technologies should be used for the benefit of all. When their jobs are taken by robots, it is up to the government to retrain them and find them new jobs. It is also a feature not only of full socialism, but even in many social-democratic Western European states such government-funded retraining is taking place.
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Ace Pace wrote:
2019-09-08 01:59am
K. A. Pital wrote:
2019-09-07 11:11am
Ace Pace wrote:
2019-09-07 10:25am

From your point of view that's true for practically every business :roll: Except those that shouldn't exist.

Uber is just the end run of the huge wave of very cheap money rolling around the U.S. since the 2009 recovery. Every place that just needs to work on "unit economy" and improve their margins was just floating on waves of cheap cash going to startups instead of SMB loans.
What’s your beef with what I said?
That it's identical to every post you can make about every large business.
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I just noted how this isn’t even a communist position. Social democracy 1950-198x usually nationalized failing businesses and let workers be retrained if there was no way to save.

I also support worker’s councils to take control of Uber, but honestly, if such a thing is done under the current capitalist government, it would be a bloodbath. Workers will be cut off from financing because capitalists would not be looking keenly at the idea of funding a post-bankruptcy cooperative. There would be no state support and very likely the state would even put hurdles in place. This has happened before.
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K. A. Pital wrote:
2019-09-08 04:13am
I say it's better to focus on making sure there is a safety net for them when their jobs are taken by robots.
I have a fundamentally different view on things. Technical progress such as labour-saving technologies should be used for the benefit of all. When their jobs are taken by robots, it is up to the government to retrain them and find them new jobs. It is also a feature not only of full socialism, but even in many social-democratic Western European states such government-funded retraining is taking place.
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I agree that it should be up to the government to help the workers at Uber find new jobs after Uber goes bankrupt. But I don't see how the government spending money to keep the company open helps. Nor do I see how Uber could be kept open without someone pumping money in.

Wouldn't it be better to for the government to let the company die while paying for training courses/job placement services for the former workers ?

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K. A. Pital wrote:
2019-09-11 03:02am
I also support worker’s councils to take control of Uber, but honestly, if such a thing is done under the current capitalist government, it would be a bloodbath. Workers will be cut off from financing because capitalists would not be looking keenly at the idea of funding a post-bankruptcy cooperative. There would be no state support and very likely the state would even put hurdles in place. This has happened before.
Can you think of any examples off-hand? I'd be curious to read more about them.

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