Collusion 2020: Giuliani in Ukraine.

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Collusion 2020: Giuliani in Ukraine.

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2019-05-10 06:11pm

Trump is sending Giuliani to the Ukraine, ostensibly to investigate the investigation of Manafort. Giuliani then conveniently happened to turn up "evidence" (which is widely believed to be bullshit already) that Biden engaged in a cover-up of corrupt business dealings by his son. The Trump Regime is now asking the Ukraine to investigate Biden (his likeliest 2020 opponent):

Basically, "We didn't collude so we're going to collude to prove that the other side colluded, which will make it okay for us to collude."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/10/politics ... index.html
Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani dismissed suggestions he is encouraging a foreign government to impact the upcoming US election with his trip to Ukraine, telling CNN on Friday that it is not meddling because the 2020 general election is a year and a half away.

Giuliani tells CNN he intends to travel soon to Ukraine to meet with President-elect Volodymyr Zelensky in an effort to push the country to investigate matters connected to the release of negative information about Paul Manafort, the then campaign chairman for Trump's 2016 campaign. The former New York mayor also said he will continue to pursue questions about Vice President Joe Biden's call in 2016 to remove the top Ukrainian prosecutor, who at one point had been investigating a Ukrainian natural gas company connected to Biden's son.

That prosecutor's ouster was called for by many Western governments and donors who criticized him for failing to tackle the country's problems with corruption. There's never been any evidence that Biden acted improperly.

"I don't want any favors, I just want this investigated," Giuliani said in a phone interview.

A week ago, Giuliani told CNN that he was done looking into the Ukraine matters regarding Biden, but in an interview with The New York Times on Thursday he first said he was going to travel to Kiev to press the matter. Giuliani told the Times in defense of the effort.

Giuliani said he's meeting in his capacity as the President's personal lawyer and helping to defend his client. He has called on the US Justice Department to investigate both his questions about a supposed conflict for Biden as well as what Giuliani claims may be the corrupt beginnings of the FBI investigation into Trump.

Giuliani had previously told CNN that a "well-regarded investigator" he's known for years put him in touch last November with current and former Ukrainian officials, who he says he's interviewed over Skype and in person. (In 2017, both the Democratic National Committee and a contractor denied working with Ukrainians.)

While searching for evidence, Giuliani says he also stumbled on what he claims is a damaging story about Biden.

In 2016, while then-Vice President Biden was pressuring the Ukrainian government to oust its top prosecutor as part of a broad anti-corruption push by the US, his son Hunter Biden was on the board of a Ukrainian company under investigation by that same prosecutor.
Within a year of the prosecutor's removal, Ukraine's new prosecutor general dismissed the case against the company, Burisma Holdings, a natural gas company controlled by one of Ukraine's top oligarchs.

Giuliani's story is littered with holes. According to a report from Bloomberg, the Ukrainian government's case against Burisma had been "dormant" since 2014, two years before Biden successfully pushed to remove the prosecutor general. Biden was also joined in his anti-corruption push against the prosecutor by numerous leaders in Europe as well as the International Monetary Fund -- none of whom had any family ties to Burisma.

Giuliani has been shopping the story to journalists around Washington. The story floated around right-wing circles for a few weeks until May 1, when the Times reported that State Department officials at the time were concerned "that the connection could complicate" Biden's diplomacy.

The Biden campaign declined to comment further and referred CNN to a statement a spokeswoman provided to the Times claiming Biden acted on Ukraine "without any regard for how it would or would not impact" Hunter's business interests.
Attempts to reach Hunter Biden were unsuccessful.
In 2016, it happened in secret. In 2020, its being done in the open light of day.

This also happened shortly after Trump claimed John Kerry should be prosecuted for violating the Logan Act (which prohibits private citizens, like Giuliani, from talking to foreign governments) for talking to the Iranians:

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/201 ... rn-vpx.cnn

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Re: Collusion 2020: Giuliani in Ukraine.

Post by Tribble » 2019-05-10 06:39pm

And this comes as a surprise?

IMO you basically have two groups of Republicans:

One group knows on an intellectual level when they are being hypocritical and/or breaking the law, they just don't care. They are playing the game and doing whatever it takes to win and keep on winning.

The other group legitimately believes that everything they do is right and justifiable, while everything the "other" does is wrong and unjustifiable... even if its literally the exact same thing.

As far as both groups are concerned this is 100% legit since the goal is to help Republicans and hurt Democrats.
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Re: Collusion 2020: Giuliani in Ukraine.

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2019-05-10 07:20pm

Tribble wrote:
2019-05-10 06:39pm
And this comes as a surprise?
Not a surprise, no. I've been fully expecting Collusion 2020 since Collusion 2016. But it should never be normalized.
IMO you basically have two groups of Republicans:

One group knows on an intellectual level when they are being hypocritical and/or breaking the law, they just don't care. They are playing the game and doing whatever it takes to win and keep on winning.

The other group legitimately believes that everything they do is right and justifiable, while everything the "other" does is wrong and unjustifiable... even if its literally the exact same thing.

As far as both groups are concerned this is 100% legit since the goal is to help Republicans and hurt Democrats.
Pretty much. The ones who still have both brains and consciences have mostly left the party, or been pushed to its fringes by the Trumpers. At this point, I see little distinction between a Republican Party membership and a KKK membership.
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Re: Collusion 2020: Giuliani in Ukraine.

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2019-05-12 01:26am

Apparently the trip has now been called off, likely due to the backlash.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/11/politics ... index.html
"I know its easy to be defeatist here because nothing has seemingly reigned Trump in so far. But I will say this: every asshole succeeds until finally, they don't. Again, 18 months before he resigned, Nixon had a sky-high approval rating of 67%. Harvey Weinstein was winning Oscars until one day, he definitely wasn't."-John Oliver: https://youtube.com/watch?v=zxT8CM8XntA

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