GrosseAdmiralFox wrote: ↑
The Romulan Republic wrote: ↑
I still think Obama should have been more upfront with the public about what was going on. But he didn't want to appear partisan or antagonize the Republicans. And look where that turned out.
The Centrist Democrats never learn, do they? Their only redeeming feature is that they're better than the Republicans by virtue of not actively pushing a fascistic state, and occassionally mustering a weak opposition to it when their backs are to the walls. That's enough to get them my vote in the general, given the alternative- but I'll always vote for those with backbones in the primaries.
You are actually blind of the situation. Just having Obama going out with Russia doing interference with the elections would have been a bad move because it would become a partisan issue by the virtue of the GOP propaganda machine turning it into a partisan issue, it could also cause far more problems that it would otherwise, making the Trump-Russia Investigation that much harder to do anything of note.
"turning it into a partisan issue"? It already was
a partisan issue. Did the last three years look non-partisan to you?
With all due respect: your attitude is everything wrong with the Democratic Party leadership's approach. No, its worse. You do not back up your assertions that the Centrist, non-confrontational road is always the right path, and that any principled stand against rising fascism will result in defeat- you simply repeat the assertion ad nauseum, and insult those who don't simply take it at face value. You ignore contrary evidence and just repeat the assertions.
You seem to think that if we refrain from calling the fascists out, that they will meet us half-way by being less fascist. Fascists don't work like that though. Try to compromise, and they'll villify your for not conceding more and then try to push the envelope even further next time, because they smell weakness like sharks smell blood in the water. And the electorate picks up on it, and turns on us for it, because voters by and large don't like weak, waffling candidates. Why do you think there's so little support for impeachment? Why do you think its so easy to sell the idea that further investigation is just the Democrats being partisan? Maybe because the Democrats have been so cautious in actually taking the actions that Trump's crimes warrant, that to many people it looks like there really is nothing there. After all, wouldn't the Democrats have impeached if Trump were really that bad?
We've seen this pattern again and again- Republicans go far Right, Democratic leadership hesitates to confront them due to fear of seeming "too partisan" and a belief ingrained from the '90s that "Centrist=victory", Republicans take advantage of this weakness to push even further while still attacking the Democrats for being socialists and tyrants, and the Democratic base becomes increasingly disillusioned, which the Right uses to drive down turnout and split the party (a tactic which has worked to the point that the "anti-establishment" Left in America is now virtually indistinguishable from Trumpers on many issues).
Seems like sweeping abolition of free speech rights is the only radical move you're ever willing to entertain.