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Even Amos Yee's free speech advocates forsake him

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Remember that blow hard Singaporean Champion of free speech Amos Yee? That guy who bravely insulted a man when he was dead, rather than when he was alive so he couldn't defend his views. The man who Dave Rubin (sniggered) presented as a champion of free speech against authoritarian Singapore.

Also the guy the US granted asylum to, and who I pointed out at the time was also a known paedophilia apologist? Well it seems even his pro pedophile views such as setting up a "pedo group" on Discord has even gotten too much for at least one of his "free speech advocate" supporters.


https://mothership.sg/2018/12/amos-yee- ... en-deport/
Lady who helped Amos Yee get asylum in US now wants him deported from US
His Facebook, Twitter and Patreon have all been taken down.

Amos Yee has been up to some truly appalling antics.


He was recently deplatformed after he was banned on Facebook and Twitter, and had his Patreon page disabled.

This was after content he was uploading was reported.

These included videos and Facebook posts that served to legitimise and legalise paedophilia.

One former Yee supporter, Melissa Chen, is the latest, and probably the most relevant advocate to speak out against Yee.


If you don’t know who Chen is, here’s a refresher.

Basically, she’s a human rights activist originally from Singapore, who played a huge part in securing Yee’s political asylum in America.

Change in perspective
But for a while now, she has been strongly against Yee’s choice of content and speech.

In perhaps the strongest statement yet, Chen made a nearly 10-minute video discussing her thoughts on Yee.

Here it is.

Key points
If you don’t have 10 minutes to spare, here are some of the key points she made.

She had handed Yee some documents that kickstarted the entire asylum process while he was still in jail in Singapore.

Yee had cut all ties with her since February 2017.

He had apparently done this as he felt she was being too authoritarian in her advice to him to ensure his success in gaining asylum in the US.

She rarely even thought about what he was up to, or kept up to date with him.

Now, she feels Yee has to be deported from America, because of his views on paedophilia.
I am compelled to say Amos needs to be deported from the United States, and if he, in the process, gets sent back to jail in Singapore for going AWOL on National Service, I would find it extremely difficult to sympathise with that.”
She also volunteered to escort him on his one-way ticket back.

While a free-speech advocate, she insists there are some ideas that are unacceptable:
“Some repulsive ideas generate too much negative externalities, and especially when these externalities involve the welfare of children, I think society cannot allow them to have free reign.”

I am compelled to say Amos needs to be deported from the United States, and if he, in the process, gets sent back to jail in Singapore for going AWOL on National Service, I would find it extremely difficult to sympathise with that.

… he has betrayed basic human decency, he has betrayed innocent children everywhere, he has also betrayed the moral fabric of society.
She did acknowledge the irony of a free-speech warrior like her advocating for shutting down Yee’s avenues for his free speech.

Chen explained how she feels responsible, due to her role in getting him asylum.

She reiterated her call to get Yee out of America, stating “being in America is a privilege, not a right”.

Hindsight
Chen then gave a succinct summary of the entire Amos Yee fiasco in Singapore, as well as highlight some of the international media’s glowing praise of Yee.

After summarising the timeline, Chen talked about the blindspots and biases some activists, including herself, might have suffered from:
“The obvious problem on hindsight is that the desire to see him as a figure, as some sort of figure, that could take the same shape of our own cause, admittedly led to developing blind spots and biases.”
One of those biases being his much lauded intelligence.
“For example, I think his brilliance and genius have been vastly overstated.”
She further stated that Yee was a narcissist and had “zero redeeming qualities”.

Chen did reiterate her opposition to the measures taken against Yee in Singapore.

She also blamed those actions, and Singapore’s general culture, on not nourishing his “neurodivergent idiosyncrasies”.

Despite that, Chen also acknowledged Yee was no longer a child and had to be held accountable for his actions as an adult.

Chen said she was personally sorry for how this turned out, and how this might affect future activists in Singapore.

She also had this to say about Yee.
“Amos is a stain on Singapore, and a stain on the human race.”
You know, at least with those on the Left who argue for deplatforming, they are at least intellectually honest enough to admit there are certain views which they feel should not be given any airing. But so called free speech advocates (in my experience) only go as far as speech that either largely agrees with their views, and even if they don't , they clearly have limits to what they will tolerate, but aren't intellectually honest enough to admit it.
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If I go digging through the Wayback archives to find out what he actually said about paedophiles, am I going to regret it?
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Zaune wrote: 2018-12-11 06:34am If I go digging through the Wayback archives to find out what he actually said about paedophiles, am I going to regret it?
Probably yes. Amos is more attention-seeking adolescent than brave political reformer, and he latched on to child sex laws as a topic to easily fire up furious responses.

That said, fuck Lee Kuan Yew, and his scumbag party, and his oh-so-democratic line of Imperial succession, and the complacent society of uncreative, callow, supine and risible dronelets he engendered. You're welcome, OP 😉
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Zaune wrote: 2018-12-11 06:34am If I go digging through the Wayback archives to find out what he actually said about paedophiles, am I going to regret it?
What he said online which wasn't a private group is gross, but post probably not Pat Kelly or Kazuaki Shimazu level (you can find them in parting shots if you have a morbid curiosity, but KS is downright creepy with his paedophilia apologetics).

What Yee said privately in his pedo group, who knows.

What Yee has said publicly was

1 Its ok for Muhammud to fuck Aisha because a 6 year old can "consent."

2 Stopping a man raping a child is apparently "fascism," and he is all for freedom. Including the freedom for adults to rape kids. What a principled person Yee is. :roll:

You could most probably just go on youtube, search Amos Yee criticisms and people will go through what he has said.
Xisiqomelir wrote: 2018-12-11 07:15am That said, fuck Lee Kuan Yew, and his scumbag party, and his oh-so-democratic line of Imperial succession, and the complacent society of uncreative, callow, supine and risible dronelets he engendered. You're welcome, OP 😉
For an uncreative society, Singapore ranks 5 on the global innovation index and Malaysia 35. Just saying. :wink: Whistles innocently.
https://www.wipo.int/edocs/pubdocs/en/w ... i_2018.pdf

And Singapore should revoke his citizenship and let him stay in the US. :D And I am not even Singaporean, but who the hell wants Amos Yee in their country?
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No one. Maybe put him and Milo Yappi Dog on North Sentinel Island?
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mr friendly guy wrote: 2018-12-11 10:43amAnd I am not even Singaporean
Ayy, thought I was going to have another lealista/rebelde bash-up ITT.

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mr friendly guy wrote: 2018-12-11 10:43amWhat Yee said privately in his pedo group, who knows.

What Yee has said publicly was

1 Its ok for Muhammud to fuck Aisha because a 6 year old can "consent."

2 Stopping a man raping a child is apparently "fascism," and he is all for freedom. Including the freedom for adults to rape kids. What a principled person Yee is. :roll:
Oh. Right.

I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, because I've been called a "paedophile apologist" for suggesting that most people convicted for merely possessing indecent photographs of minors should probably be sent to the psych ward instead of jail, but... yeah. I don't think he should necessarily be deported or even deplatformed* but I definitely think he'd either an edgelord with no brain-to-mouth filter or a potentially dangerous predator, and deserves all the scorn and mistrust he gets heaped on him.

* Partly because I actually think free speech really should apply to everyone, including people who I would gladly see lynched for trying to fit the deed to the word, but also because it's much better to have this sort of thing happen on platforms where it's easy to subpoena the chatlog or the IP addresses associated with the comments.
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Mama Yee dropped it hot on Melissa:
Yee’s mother Mary Toh, however, took issue with Chen’s sentiments through a very lengthy criticism of the US-based Singaporean activist — accusing her of championing the views of neo-Nazis while finding the teen’s views on pedophiles repulsive. Though she disagrees with the views of both white supremacists and pro-pedophilia advocates, Toh argues that Chen didn’t need to “create negative PR” against free speech.

“Melissa is a person who champions and surrounds herself with people who support platforming: the KKK, White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis and Alex Jones, people and groups that from my knowledge, advocate (and sometimes even directly cause) actual violence to people,” Toh wrote, claiming that her son has never advocated for direct harm against any child.

“The only reason I can think of why Melissa would criticize Twitter for banning nazis, yet subsequently call for Amos’ deportation, is because in America now it’s more popular to defend the ‘free speech rights’ of white supremacists and nazis, but not pedophiles.”

“She is dishonest, she is intellectually dishonest, a far cry from the skepticism and willingness to engage in ideas (no matter how reprehensible), values that she claims to uphold. I feel like she made that video against Amos based on completely biased misinformation spread about him by haters, and I think she should really refrain from posting on the internet whilst menstruating.”
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