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Robert Mueller asks FBI to investigate allegations that women were offered money to accuse him of sexual assault.

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https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2018 ... sault.html

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Robert Mueller recently asked the FBI to investigate a possible scam in which women were offered cash to fabricate sexual misconduct accusations against him, a representative for the special counsel revealed Tuesday.

In a rare statement, Mueller's top spokesman, Peter Carr, said the special counsel team became aware of the alleged payoff scheme last week.
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Its really diabolical what the Republicans are doing here. Accuse opponents falsely of sexual assault, and one of two things happens: Either we believe the accusers and the accused are ostracized and condemned as sexual predators by the Left, in which case Republicans can destroy anyone they please with a bought and paid for rumour. Or we push back and call out the false allegations, in which case it can be used to accuse the Left of hypocrisy and discredit the whole idea of believing sexual assault victims, and the Party of Treason will scream Whataboutism every time a Republican is caught. And either way, the credibility of all victims in the public eye is diminished.

Want to paint sexual assault victims as liars who can't be trusted, despite the vanishingly small number of allegations? Manufacture some fake allegations, and then say victims can't be believed. :evil:

Its evil, and sick, but its a pretty effective tactic if you're completely morally bankrupt.

There are some obvious defenses, though. One in this particular case is to note that Mueller, unlike Brett Kavanaugh for example, did not behave like a guilty man by trying to prevent an investigation, but instead promptly referred the matter to the FBI. Another is that this was apparently brought to the attention of the media (and thence to Mueller's office) when a woman came forward claiming that she was offered money to lie- which rather undercuts the Alt. Reich's narrative that women are likely to make false sexual assault allegations for personal gain.

And... I know that appearances and reputation don't necessarily mean much, but as old white men go, Robert Mueller is pretty much the last one I'd expect to be a sexual predator. To anyone not in Trump's cult, it should be clear that this is the vulgar, vicious lie of cornered cowards.
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The assumption its republican money may prove to be unfounded.

Russians, personal revenge on mueller, personal issue ysing high profile person as example, some misogynist lone wolf out to discredit women (better then parcel bonbs i guess) or sone 4chan prankster
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The Independent wrote:Robert Mueller: Woman targeted by inept plot to bring down US special counsel reveals how it rapidly fell apart
Female law professor makes public email from apparently bogus private intelligence firm

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The apparent plot to bring down Robert Mueller by bribing women to make false sexual misconduct claims against him appears to have fallen apart, after emails revealed startling details about the conspiracy.

On Tuesday, Jennifer Taub, an associate professor at Vermont Law School, made public an email she received earlier this month in which the sender asked to speak to her regarding “past encounters” with Mr Mueller, who is investigating possible election collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

“I would like to discuss those encounters with you,” the email read. “I believe a basic telephone call, for which I would compensate you at whatever rate you see fit (inside reason), would be a good place to start. My organization is conducting an examination of Robert Mueller’s past.”

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The letter, which Ms Taub forwarded on to the special counsel, came from someone claiming to be an employee at a purported private intelligence firm called Surefire Intelligence.

Ms Taub told MSNBC she had "no idea" why the "creepy" email was sent to her, but that she did not know and had never met Mr Mueller.

Her disclosure of the message came after Mr Mueller’s office announced – in a rare public statement – that it had asked the FBI to probe allegations another woman was offered $20,000 to make false accusations against the investigator.

Mr Mueller’s team were made aware of the allegations by several journalists, who received emails by someone who said she was called Lorraine Parsons. She claimed she used to work with Mr Mueller at law firm Pillsbury, Madison and Sutro in the 1970s.


In the email, which has been made public, the woman said she was offered $20,000 to make false sexual assault allegations by a man who said he worked for Surefire Intelligence. The man also offered to pay off her credit card debts, the email claimed.


“I asked him what in the hell he wanted me to do,” the email read. “He said that we could not talk about it on the phone, and he asked me to download an app on my phone called Signal, which he said was more secure.

“Reluctantly, I downloaded the app and he called me on that app a few minutes later. He said (and I will never forget exactly what it was) ‘I want you to make accusations of sexual misconduct and workplace harassment against Robert Mueller, and I want you to sign a sworn affidavit to that effect'.

“He said that he could arrange an additional $10,000 bonus from his client, who he said was a man named Jack Burkman, if I could sign the documents immediately.”

Jack Burkman matches the name of a right-wing conspiracy theorist and prominent Trump supporter, who claims he is about the make public the testimony of a woman alleging Mr Mueller sexually assaulted her.


“Some sad news. On Thursday, November 1, at the Rosslyn Holiday Inn at noon, we will reveal the first of Special Counsel Robert Mueller's sex assault victims,” Mr Burkman wrote on Twitter. “I applaud the courage and dignity and grace and strength of my client.”

In her email, Ms Parsons added that Mr Mueller was “always very polite” and “was never inappropriate" during their alleged time together at the law firm, and that she would not be part of a “Washington DC drama for any price”.

However, Ms Parsons’ identity could not be verified, and she refused to speak to reporters by phone. The law firm, Pillsbury, Madison and Sutro, also said it had no records of her having worked there.

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When the Hill Reporter rang a phone number the woman had provided, it reported it received a text message back that read, “You’re in over your head…. Drop this”, alongside the home addresses of journalists working there.

The news outlet also said it later received a phone call from another number claiming to be a Surefire employee called Mike Wilcox. He allegedly told journalists there to “stop communicating with” Ms Parsons.

The identity of Ms Taub, however, is not in doubt and like Ms Parsons’ allegations, the email she received also purportedly came from a Surefire employee.

Surefire Intelligence, which purports to specialise in counter-intelligence, asset tracing and “in depth due diligence”, claims to have offices in the US, UK, Switzerland and London.


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However, when The Independent attempted to contact the company's offices in London, Tel Aviv and Zurich, all failed to ring through.

NBC News reported domain records for the company – which was incorporated less than three weeks ago – are associated with the email address of Jacob Wohl, a far-right Twitter conspiracy theorist best known for his rapid responses to Mr Trump’s tweets and his penchant for visiting hipster coffee shops.


Mr Wohl, who has also touted a “scandalous story” about Mr Mueller in recent days, has repeatedly denied involvement with Surefire Intelligence, despite the fact his picture appears on the LinkedIn page of the firm’s alleged managing partner, Matthew Cohen.

One of the company’s phone numbers also redirected to the voicemail of Mr Wohl’s mother, while LinkedIn profiles of a number of alleged Surefire employees use images of a host of models and celebrity actors.


On Tuesday, right-wing news outlet The Gateway Pundit, for whom Mr Wohl writes for, published allegations of sexual assault “on or around” 2 August 2010 by Mr Mueller, citing documents from a firm with the tagline “International Private Intelligence” – the same tagline used by Surefire Intelligence.

Gateway Pundit later deleted the story, issuing an update that they were “investigating” accusations regarding the veracity of the documents, and “very serious allegations” against Jacob Wohl.

It is not clear exactly what those behind Surefire Intelligence are trying to achieve, but the bogus firm appears to be responsible for both the allegations against Mr Mueller, and at least one email attempting to muddy the waters.

Despite the plot's apparent disintegration, both Mr Wohl and Mr Burkman insist a press conference on 1 November in which sexual misconduct allegations will be made against Mr Mueller is going ahead.

Mr Wohl and Mr Burkman have been contacted for comment.
Either someone is doing a lot of work to pin this on exactly the sort of people who claimed they were going to do it, or they just did it really badly.
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Offering to pay off credit card debt ?

Sounds like they wanted the FBI to find out about their bribery during the press conference where they announce the accusations.
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madd0ct0r wrote: 2018-10-31 05:05am The assumption its republican money may prove to be unfounded.

Russians, personal revenge on mueller, personal issue ysing high profile person as example, some misogynist lone wolf out to discredit women (better then parcel bonbs i guess) or sone 4chan prankster
Maybe not official Republican Party money, but I'd bet its either a Trumper or someone sympathetic to/aligned with them (which Russian operatives or random misogynist almost certainly would be).

Its a lot of trouble to go to just for a prank. Still, I must concede the possibility that its someone who has a personal beef with Mueller for some other reason, given his long career in law enforcement. But in the current political climate, and given what he's currently working on, I'd say the odds are pretty damn good that this is an attempt at a Right-wing (or possibly Russian-this sounds like some of the frame-ups that have been reportedly pulled on critics of Putin in Russia) political hit job.

Also, from Vendetta's article:
When the Hill Reporter rang a phone number the woman had provided, it reported it received a text message back that read, “You’re in over your head…. Drop this”, alongside the home addresses of journalists working there.

The news outlet also said it later received a phone call from another number claiming to be a Surefire employee called Mike Wilcox. He allegedly told journalists there to “stop communicating with” Ms Parsons.
Nice. So we can add threats/terrorism to the charges, along with the obstruction of justice and defamation.
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This whole thing with Jacob Wohl reminds of me of Stewart at SDI. :lol:
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Galvatron wrote: 2018-10-31 06:45pm This whole thing with Jacob Wohl reminds of me of Stewart at SDI. :lol:
I was thinking that too. :shock:

But yeah, this is fifty shades of sloppy if it's a frame up attempt.

Then again, it's what happens when people try to act like the mob, and have no real fucking idea how to do it.
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Trumpers are evil. No one ever accused them of being smart (Trump himself has a certain skill for playing the system/the media, as a con man/authoritarian, but that's about as far as the intelligence of Trumpism goes).
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They probably think that all the accusations from the left are women being bribed. Therefore it can't be that hard to get away with bribing a few.
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It's easier for them to believe that George Soros is bankrolling everything than it is for them to accept the obvious.
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Did this press conference/allegation revelation happen then?
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Yes and no, the supposed accuser didn't turn up and... Well, there's a Splinter article called "Two Giant Idiots Hold the World's Worst Press Conference," which sort of sums up what did actually happen.
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About what I expected from this "press conference".
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I fucking called it. Who could have possibly forseen that coming down on alleged abusers pre-trial like a rain of anvils would produce an environment wherein that tendency is used as an attack vector? I'll grant that I didn't expect something this high-profile and ambitious, but...seriously who didn't see things like this coming?

Presumption of innocence can feel like it gets in the way sometimes, but it sure as hell beats the alternatives.
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White Haven wrote: 2018-11-03 12:05am I fucking called it. Who could have possibly forseen that coming down on alleged abusers pre-trial like a rain of anvils would produce an environment wherein that tendency is used as an attack vector? I'll grant that I didn't expect something this high-profile and ambitious, but...seriously who didn't see things like this coming?

Presumption of innocence can feel like it gets in the way sometimes, but it sure as hell beats the alternatives.
How do you figure? Because the fact that the first big right-wing attempt at a fake rape smear in the #metoo era fizzled like a wet fart seems like pretty good evidence that no, liberals defaulting to trusting victims of sexual assault when they come forward has no negative consequences and won't lead to a wave of fake allegations ending innocent people's careers.
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White Haven wrote: 2018-11-03 12:05am I fucking called it. Who could have possibly forseen that coming down on alleged abusers pre-trial like a rain of anvils would produce an environment wherein that tendency is used as an attack vector? I'll grant that I didn't expect something this high-profile and ambitious, but...seriously who didn't see things like this coming?

Presumption of innocence can feel like it gets in the way sometimes, but it sure as hell beats the alternatives.
So...

Alt. Reich attempts to frame a man of sexual assault in an attempt to frame an honest man, obstruct justice, and (implicitly) terrorize dissenters and discredit sexual assault survivors.

You then pull a Trump and say that it's really the other side's fault. :evil:

Let's be clear: I believe in the presumption of innocence. But presumption of innocence, legally-speaking, applies in a court room, not in social interactions or the workplace, where one can absolutely suffer repercussions based on an accusation. Maybe it shouldn't be so, but it is*. What is not legal is literally paying fake witnesses to falsely accuse someone of a crime.

And there is a good reason for the tendency on the Left to believe those who report sexual assault- because the rate of false reports is extremely low, and the rate of attacking/blaming/ignoring the victim in sexual assault cases is extremely high.

This is entirely predictable, yes, but that's because the Right has become completely untethered from any hint of shame, integrity, moral decency, or respect for the rule of law, not because those who prioritize believing survivors somehow provoked it.


*For the record, my personal (as opposed to legal) standard of evidence is generally "three or more otherwise unconnected accusers". Two will suffice if both are clearly credible and lacking in ulterior motives. One will suffice if there is corroborating physical evidence, a confession, etc. I believe we should take every allegation seriously, but that's the point where I say "yeah, this person did it."
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White Haven wrote: 2018-11-03 12:05am I fucking called it. Who could have possibly forseen that coming down on alleged abusers pre-trial like a rain of anvils would produce an environment wherein that tendency is used as an attack vector? I'll grant that I didn't expect something this high-profile and ambitious, but...seriously who didn't see things like this coming?

Presumption of innocence can feel like it gets in the way sometimes, but it sure as hell beats the alternatives.
On the other hand, the first people to do it being so incompetent probably means it will look like a non-starter again...
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