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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections Thread.

Post by FaxModem1 » 2018-06-30 12:22am

Looks like Ted Cruz found his line. Who knew he had one?

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Ted Cruz: ‘Vote for the Democrat’ over the GOP Nazi
By NATASHA KORECKI 06/29/2018 08:14 PM EDT
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CHICAGO — Texas GOP Sen. Ted Cruz on Friday urged residents of a Chicago-area congressional district to vote for a Democrat if they must, to avoid giving even one vote to an avowed Nazi who won the GOP nomination.

Cruz’s comments, made on Twitter, came after a POLITICO story detailed the Illinois Republican Party’s failed efforts to oust Holocaust denier Arthur Jones from the ballot or offer up an alternative for Republican voters.

“This is horrific. An avowed Nazi running for Congress,” tweeted Cruz. “To the good people of Illinois, you have two reasonable choices: write in another candidate, or vote for the Democrat. This bigoted fool should receive ZERO votes.”


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This is horrific. An avowed Nazi running for Congress. To the good people of Illinois, you have two reasonable choices: write in another candidate, or vote for the Democrat. This bigoted fool should receive ZERO votes. https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/ ... ans-686875

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‘I snookered them’: Illinois Nazi candidate creates GOP dumpster fire
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The tweet generated nearly 12,000 likes and 4,900 retweets by Friday evening.

Jones is running against Democratic Rep. Dan Lipinski in a heavily Democratic district that includes portions of Chicago and the south suburbs.

This week, state Republicans let a deadline pass that would have allowed them to run someone as a third-party candidate to provide Republican voters with an alternative candidate to vote for. The GOP said the ballot requirements, including having to collect more than 14,000 signatures, was too burdensome and costly in a district Democrats dominate.

Instead, the party said it will seek to draft a write-in candidate for the general election.

Arthur Jones is pictured. | AP Photo
‘I snookered them’: Illinois Nazi candidate creates GOP dumpster fire
By NATASHA KORECKI
Republicans missed several chances, including in the primary, to challenge Jones or oust him from the ballot. The party failed to recruit a candidate to challenge him in the March primary where he went unopposed, did not draft a write-in candidate in the primary, and failed to knock him off the ballot by challenging his signature petitions.

Jones celebrated his role in sidelining Republicans, telling POLITICO this week: “I snookered them.”
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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections Thread.

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-06-30 05:13pm

I think we're going to be finding out where a lot of peoples' lines are, and who has no lines at all.
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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections Thread.

Post by FireNexus » 2018-06-30 05:40pm

Ted Cruz is going to reverse on that in an instant if it looks like the Nazi might win, if history is any indication.
I had a Bill Maher quote here. But fuck him for his white privelegy "joke".

All the rest? Too long.

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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections Thread.

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-06-30 05:43pm

FireNexus wrote:
2018-06-30 05:40pm
Ted Cruz is going to reverse on that in an instant if it looks like the Nazi might win, if history is any indication.
Probably.

Another thing we're going to find out is who will stand their ground no matter what, and who will shift with the winds.
"Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes" When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics." When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty -- to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy." - Lincoln.

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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections Thread.

Post by FireNexus » 2018-06-30 05:55pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:
2018-06-30 05:43pm
Probably.

Another thing we're going to find out is who will stand their ground no matter what, and who will shift with the winds.
We found that out two years ago to now. The former was basically only Bill Kristol. Which... I didn’t figure he’d be the one honest man in the GOP, but I have been really enjoying watching a 60-year-old man slowly undergoing essentially the same identity crisis I did from 2005-2007.
I had a Bill Maher quote here. But fuck him for his white privelegy "joke".

All the rest? Too long.

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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections Thread.

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-06-30 06:38pm

Yeah, I think that at this point anyone who's still R... might have some lines they're not willing to cross, maybe, but are clearly willing to tolerate/rationalize some pretty awful shit. Or are utterly ignorant of politics and just vote for the team without thinking about it, but even that's getting harder to buy, because some of Trump's worst shit has been very well-publicized.

So, to be Republican now, you have to basically be okay with associating with (and thereby at least tacitly condoning and supporting) a fascistic organization, or you have to be a conspiracy theorist living behind a truly frightening level of self-delusion about what Trump is and what he's doing.
"Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes" When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics." When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty -- to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy." - Lincoln.

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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections Thread.

Post by Knife » 2018-07-01 10:50pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:
2018-06-28 01:15pm
The fact that you think a person's personal record doesn't matter, and that we should make political decisions based only on broad labels and what "team" someone belongs to, is the problem here. This is the very antithesis of responsible voting.
Yes, when you're a party leader, it matters both what your positions are and what you party positions are.
And yes, I'm aware that I have applied a similar argument to Republicans- that anyone who supports them or is a member of the party is culpable. But the Republicans and the Democrats are NOT the same, regardless of how many people think it wise to pretend that they are. The Democratic Party is not virtually lock-step behind a cult of the leader bent on destroying basic democratic, legal, and international norms. The Republican Party is.
Yes the GOP and Dems are not the same except they are a party, and those parties have xyz goals. You can differ with your party but if you're a leader of you're party, that becomes harder since as a leader you can affect the goal.
I suppose your position would make sense if you regarded the Democratic Party, top to bottom, as a fundamentally and intrinsically corrupt organization. I don't, and I don't think you do, either. I regard it as a deeply flawed organization, but not homogenously so or beyond salvaging. In that case, one must apply a scalpel, not a sledge-hammer.
Here is the actual problem.

There are Democratic voters who are part of the party, and can be broken up into camp A, camp B, and etc.... but that's only 40% of the voter base. The rest is 'independent' voters. Not all independent voters are the same. It's not a monolithic voting block. Some thing the Dems are too liberal, some think it's to conservative.

Now you can do a crosstype with the GOP and their 'unistep'. But I'd suggest their need for a unified position is more indicative of authoritarianism than an actual unity of position. Those are the ones Dems should be trying to pick off. Are you a Nazi? No? Try the Dems.

And only the Dems due to the US's stupid two party system.

Lets be frank. The Democratic party isn't an awesome thing right now, it's just better than Trump and the shitty authoritarian GOP.

Between Dems and Nazi GOP, there is only one answer. That said, it's not like we should NOT hold the DEMS to a very high standard in primaries.
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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections Thread.

Post by bilateralrope » 2018-07-11 06:58am

Ocasio-Cortez with another surprise election win - in a district she wasn't even running in
Things are going so well for insurgent Democratic congressional candidate Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez that she’s winning primaries she didn’t even enter.

In addition to recently whipping longtime Queens Rep. Joseph Crowley in the 14th congressional district Democratic primary, Ocasio-Cortez also won the Reform Party write-in primary over Bronx Rep. Jose Serrano in the neighboring 15th congressional district.

Neither she nor Serrano were competing for the line.

Still, the city Board of Elections certified Ocasio-Cortez’s write-in victory on Tuesday. Of the 22 people who received write-in votes, Ocasio-Cortez got the most with nine.

While write-in votes are not unusual, someone actually winning a race she wasn’t running for is.

But having won it, Ocasio-Cortez had to decline one of the nominations she won since state law bars individuals from being candidates for two different offices at the same time.

Ocasio-Cortez, after the Daily News reported her surprising win online Tuesday evening, said she’d be rejecting the Reform Party line in the Serrano district.

“Shockingly — and I’m told this is not a joke — we have ALSO won a primary in the neighboring 15th Congressional District via write-in campaign on the Reform line!,” she tweeted. “While I am honored that so many Bronxites are excited about our campaign, I will remain the Dem nominee for NY-14.”

Ocasio-Cortez will face off against Republican Anthony Pappas, a St. John’s University professor.
You know someone is doing well when they win two different primaries at the same time.

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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections Thread.

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-07-13 09:31pm

Heh.

I'm glad that it kept her name in the news, and gave her the opportunity to say that she will remain a Democratic nominee. It helps to draw the distinction between progressive/socialist democrats (who we badly need more of), and destructive Bernie-or-Bust/third party types.

And as distasteful as demographic-based politics may be, I think that, as a female, Latina Leftist candidate, Ocasio-Cortez can, just by existing on the national stage, help bridge the divide that emerged in the Democratic Party during the primary in 2016, and counter the false perception that Leftist/"anti-establishment" Democrats are all just "Bernie Bros"/angry white men.

In short, while past experience has taught me to be wary of charismatic political newcomers, everything so far suggests that Ocasio-Cortez is exactly the kind of candidate that the Democrats need more of.
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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections Thread.

Post by houser2112 » 2018-07-16 09:21am

Part of me wishes she'd take the write-in position so that the guy she primaried in the other district could get the nomination, since he seems like a strong candidate.

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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections Thread.

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-07-16 07:23pm

houser2112 wrote:
2018-07-16 09:21am
Part of me wishes she'd take the write-in position so that the guy she primaried in the other district could get the nomination, since he seems like a strong candidate.
I disagree.

While the guy she primaried did sound like a strong candidate, and would not have been my first choice for primarying from the Left, Ocasion-Cortez is the sort of politician the Democratic Party needs to mobilize the base.

I also think that her running third party would further fuel divisions in the party and lead to more "Bernie-or-Bust"-type sentiment- divisions that we absolutely cannot afford right now.

I'm not terribly worried about her losing. This is a pretty safe blue district IIRC- if a genuine democratic socialist candidate can't win there, then where?
"Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes" When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics." When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty -- to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy." - Lincoln.

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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections Thread.

Post by houser2112 » 2018-07-17 08:04am

I said that not because I'm afraid that she'd lose the race she was nominated for, but because I'm afraid that whomever the Democrats put up in the district she won as a write-in candidate (if anybody) would lose. Instead of one weak and one strong, we have two strong.

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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections Thread.

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-07-17 07:37pm

houser2112 wrote:
2018-07-17 08:04am
I said that not because I'm afraid that she'd lose the race she was nominated for, but because I'm afraid that whomever the Democrats put up in the district she won as a write-in candidate (if anybody) would lose. Instead of one weak and one strong, we have two strong.
Oh I see. That's an interesting point, but it would be a very odd district where a third party candidate (even a popular one) had a better shot than the Democrat. I'm not saying its impossible (see Bernie winning as an independent in Vermont, for example), but it would only be a viable option in certain districts, I think. I'm not sufficiently familiar with the district in question to say whether that would be the case.

And her running third party would still have encouraged more progressives to ditch the Democrats in other races, and would thus be a net loss, in my opinion.
"Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes" When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics." When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty -- to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy." - Lincoln.

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