Soontir C'boath wrote: ↑
The point is that, they refuse to stand on policy that would surely garner them brownie points with the base, but their wealthy donors don't allow them to do so because they know it's another step to actually passing them. Gay marriage is a great example of this across the state legislatures, but apparently fiscal policy cannot be touched. Only social issues. These are circumstances I understand which is why we need to get money out of politics and that includes the politician as well.
These are genuine problems in the Democratic Party that must be addressed, but there is a range of opinions and positions in the party, and I'd rather we acknowledge that than painting all Democrats with a single brush, saying they're just like Republicans, and calling it a day. Which contributes absolutely nothing positive to our political discourse as a nation, but does serve to fuel a culture of general cynicism and contempt towards democracy. That's all I'm saying here.
I probably wouldn't be so bothered by this if "the Democrats are just like the Republicans, they're all corrupt" wasn't a narrative that was deliberately and systematically used less than two years ago to split the vote and help get Trump elected.
The only flip side is that we confirm a bunch of stuff that Republicans want and we are left with crumbs in return. That's the flip side because we've all been told that Democrats need to pull more Republican to get more votes to win come election time.
That said: I believe in the necessity of the big tent strategy, but that only works if you're actually appealing to a broad range of voters. You're not wrong that the Dems. need to stop valuing "moderate" Republican votes at the expense of their base.
This, I think, is partly a holdover from the '80s/'90s, a mentality that the old guard has never really grown out of.
lol Obama rolled like a dog on Obamacare if you care to remember and the Republicans and Dixiecrats kept voting against practically everything else, but yes ok, "circumstances" matter. *cheers*
There's no need to be so snide just because I try to actually acknowledge the nuances of American politics.
Obamacare got passed, and it included some genuinely needed reforms. It wasn't nearly enough, it was a compromise basically nobody liked, but it was more than anyone else did for decades on the issue. And it burned most of the Dems political capital and cost them a Congressional majority, so we've had to spend a decade-long battle trying to keep the Republicans from scrapping it.
That said, the political climate has changed now, and if we get a Dem majority and President in 2020, I'd absolutely fault them for not pushing single payer through. And I've stated before that I believe that the party should adopt Single Payer as a major part of its platform.
Of course circumstances matter, I have Flagg (? I'm assuming that's him) still bitching about Bernie not being an actual Democrat, whatever that means nowadays anyway, rather than caring about what policies are actually being pushed, so there are voters who have to see things differently than the current state.
I don't think Flagg posts here any more.
I have people here who are perfectly fine with the Democratic Party rigging elections because apparently the party has to be pure to the status quo and not to actual Democratic policy.
I am fully fucking aware that circumstances matter.
Who, on this board, has ever said that they are fine with the Democratic Party rigging elections? I've seen a few who denied that such rigging occurred, but I can't recall anyone actually defending
"Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes" When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics." When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty -- to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy." - Lincoln.