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Half a million bad guys can now buy guns

Post by aerius » 2018-03-16 12:05pm

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Tens of thousands with outstanding warrants purged from background check database for gun purchases

By Sari Horwitz November 22, 2017 Email the author

Tens of thousands of people wanted by law enforcement officials have been removed this year from the FBI criminal background check database that prohibits fugitives from justice from buying guns.

The FBI purged the names from the database after the Justice Department changed its legal interpretation of “fugitive from justice” to say it pertains only to wanted people who have crossed state lines.

What that means is that those fugitives who were previously prohibited under federal law from purchasing firearms can now buy them, unless barred for other reasons.

Since the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) was created in 1998, the background check system has prevented 1.5 million people from buying guns, including 180,000 denials to people who were fugitives from justice, according to government statistics.

It is unclear how many people may have bought guns since February who previously would have been prohibited from doing so.

Sen. John Cornyn (R-Tex.) says Senate Republicans plan “to work on a bipartisan basis” with Democrats on legislation relating to background checks. (The Washington Post)

Attorney General Jeff Sessions sent a memo Wednesday to the FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives instructing them to take several steps to improve NICS.

The system, he said, is “critical for us to be able to keep guns out of the hands of those . . . prohibited from owning them.”

[One illegal gun. 12 weeks. A dozen criminal acts. The rapid cycle of gun violence.]

The criminal background check system has come under scrutiny in recent weeks after the Air Force said it failed to follow policies for alerting the FBI about the domestic violence conviction of Devin P. Kelley, who killed more than two dozen churchgoers in Sutherland Springs, Tex., this month. Because his conviction was not entered into NICS, Kelley was allowed to buy firearms.

Two years ago, Dylann Roof, who killed nine people at a historic black church in Charleston, S.C., was able to buy his gun after errors by the FBI and local law enforcement led to his name not being entered into criminal record databases when he was arrested and had admitted to drug possession.

The interpretation of who is a “fugitive from justice,” a category that disqualifies people from buying a gun, has long been a matter of debate in law enforcement circles — a dispute that ultimately led to the February purging of the database.

“Any one of these potentially dangerous fugitives can currently walk into a licensed gun dealer, pass a criminal background check, and walk out with a gun,” Robyn Thomas, executive director of the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, wrote in a letter to FBI Director Christopher A. Wray on Wednesday. The Giffords organization, founded by former Arizona congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, called on the FBI and ATF to “correct this self-inflicted loophole” and recover all guns illegally purchased this year because of the purge of names from the database.
Rifles for sale at a gun shop in Merrimack, N.H. (Dominick Reuter/AFP/Getty Images)

For more than 15 years, the FBI and ATF disagreed about who exactly was a fugitive from justice.

The FBI, which runs the criminal background check database, had a broad definition and said that anyone with an outstanding arrest warrant was prohibited from buying a gun. But ATF argued that, under the law, a person is considered a fugitive from justice only if they have an outstanding warrant and have also traveled to another state.

In a 2016 report, Inspector General Michael E. Horowitz urged the Justice Department to address the disagreement “as soon as possible.” Late last year, before President Trump took office, the Justice Department Office of Legal Counsel sided with ATF and narrowed the definition of fugitives, according to law enforcement officials. The office said that gun purchases could be denied only to fugitives who cross state lines.

After Trump was inaugurated, the Justice Department further narrowed the definition to those who have fled across state lines to avoid prosecution for a crime or to avoid giving testimony in a criminal proceeding.

On Feb. 15, the FBI directed its employees in the Criminal Justice Information Services Division to remove all entries of fugitives from justice from the background check database and said that “entries will not be permitted” under that category until further notice. Before the FBI memo, there were about 500,000 people identified as fugitives from justice in the database — and all of those names were removed.

Now there are 788.

“Even if the FBI’s revised definition of fugitive from justice is assumed to be legally correct, purging the NICS database of every single individual previously identified as a fugitive from justice was an unjustifiable, alarmingly overbroad, and dangerous decision,” the Giffords group’s Thomas and Robin F. Thurston of the Democracy Forward Foundation wrote in the letter to the FBI.

Federal law enforcement officials say that about 430,000 names of wanted people removed from the database were from Massachusetts.

Commissioner James Slater of the Massachusetts Department of Criminal Justice Information Services said that the reason that his state had so many fugitives in the FBI database is that state policy required sending the bureau the names of all people with an outstanding warrant, whether it was for misdemeanors or felonies.

Because Massachusetts state law prevents fugitives from buying guns, those individuals have now been added back to the federal database under the “state prohibitor” category and will be prevented from purchasing a firearm, he said.

Of the 70,000 others whose names have been purged, the FBI is working with the states to identify which people might have crossed state lines and could be put back into the federal database for that or other reasons.

“The Justice Department is committed to working with law enforcement partners across the country to help ensure that all those who can legally be determined to be prohibited from receiving or possessing a firearm be included in federal criminal databases,” said a Justice Department official who would discuss the matter only on the condition of anonymity.

Sessions in his memo directed the FBI and ATF to work with the Defense Department and other government agencies to improve reporting and identify any other measures that could be taken to prevent guns getting into the wrong hands.

David Chipman, a former ATF official who now works as a senior adviser to the Giffords group, said that, given the confusion over the definition of a fugitive, Congress should pass a new law that makes clear whether people with outstanding arrest warrants can buy a gun.

“I would imagine 99 percent of Americans don’t want people who have a warrant out on them to be able to buy a gun,” Chipman said. “I can’t believe there is a constituency for wanted people. Wanted people are particularly dangerous. They’ve already proven that they’ll break the law.”

This story has been updated to clarify that the database was purged by the FBI after the Justice Department changed its legal interpretation of “fugitive from justice.”
So 500k folks got purged from the ban list, then 430k got added back in thanks to Massachusettes state laws. And you wonder why firearms laws & bans don't work in America, guys with outstanding arrest warrants don't even end up on the list anymore until they cross a State line and someone finds out about it and reports it. So I could gun down a bunch of kids and have a warrant out for my arrest, but as long as I stay in my own State I can buy more guns for more killings since my name won't go on the list and trip any flags. It's like they want you to fail.
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Re: Half a million bad guys can now buy guns

Post by U.P. Cinnabar » 2018-03-16 01:58pm

Then the NRA will point at this and say "ha, ha! Gun control doesn't work!"
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Re: Half a million bad guys can now buy guns

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-03-16 02:16pm

That's the Republican's approach to government in general (or rather, those aspects of government that don't suit their agenda, because as their spending on the military and police shows, they aren't actually anti-big government). Maliciously sabotage it, then use the results of the sabotage as "proof" that it doesn't work.

They pull the same shit with Obamacare.
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Re: Half a million bad guys can now buy guns

Post by aerius » 2018-03-16 02:38pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:
2018-03-16 02:16pm
That's the Republican's approach to government in general (or rather, those aspects of government that don't suit their agenda, because as their spending on the military and police shows, they aren't actually anti-big government). Maliciously sabotage it, then use the results of the sabotage as "proof" that it doesn't work.
You do realize that this is an ATF vs. FBI turf battle.

Excerpt from the article, since it doesn't look like you read it.
For more than 15 years, the FBI and ATF disagreed about who exactly was a fugitive from justice.

The FBI, which runs the criminal background check database, had a broad definition and said that anyone with an outstanding arrest warrant was prohibited from buying a gun. But ATF argued that, under the law, a person is considered a fugitive from justice only if they have an outstanding warrant and have also traveled to another state.


In a 2016 report, Inspector General Michael E. Horowitz urged the Justice Department to address the disagreement “as soon as possible.” Late last year, before President Trump took office, the Justice Department Office of Legal Counsel sided with ATF and narrowed the definition of fugitives, according to law enforcement officials. The office said that gun purchases could be denied only to fugitives who cross state lines.

After Trump was inaugurated, the Justice Department further narrowed the definition to those who have fled across state lines to avoid prosecution for a crime or to avoid giving testimony in a criminal proceeding.
The only government involvement was the Justice Department siding with the ATF, which by the way happened under Obama's administration, and then narrowing it down a bit more after Trump came in. But yeah, that's the Republicans maliciously sabotaging the system, they've done a lot of shitbag things but this ain't one of them. Unless of course you can prove that the Republicans were behind the ATF wanting to narrow down the definitions and purge people off the ban list. Have fun with that.
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Re: Half a million bad guys can now buy guns

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-03-16 02:42pm

Well, you acknowledge yourself that the Trump administration doubled down on it after they came in, so yes, there is definitely some (limited) Republican involvement here by your own admission, but I was more replying to U.P. Cinnabar's post about how the Right will use this.
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Re: Half a million bad guys can now buy guns

Post by Zixinus » 2018-03-16 04:06pm

The question is whether this is deliberate sabotage or a side-effect of general approach to policy.
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Re: Half a million bad guys can now buy guns

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-03-16 06:32pm

Zixinus wrote:
2018-03-16 04:06pm
The question is whether this is deliberate sabotage or a side-effect of general approach to policy.
Fair enough, but I fear that it comes to the same thing, as far as results are concerned: An attempt at regulation is watered down to the point of likely being ineffective, and the resulting ineffectiveness can then be used as an argument for why the policy should never have existed in the first place, rather than (as it should be) as a cautionary tale against watering down regulations to the point of ineffectiveness.
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