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Putin Boasts of Unstoppable Russian Super Nukes

Post by Ralin » 2018-03-01 09:38am

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‘You have failed to contain Russia’: Putin boasts of hypersonic nuclear weapons that can hit anywhere on Earth
During his annual parliamentary address, he told lawmakers the government had developed small warheads that could be carried by cruise missiles


1 Mar 2018
Russia has tested an array of new strategic nuclear weapons that cannot be intercepted, President Vladimir Putin announced on Thursday, marking a technological breakthrough that would dramatically increase Russia’s military capability and boost the Kremlin’s global position.


Speaking in a state-of-the-nation speech, Putin said the weapons include a nuclear-powered cruise missile, a nuclear-powered underwater drone and new hypersonic missile. He said the creation of the new weapons has made Nato’s US-led missile defence “useless,” and means an effective end to what he described as Western efforts to stymie Russia’s development.

“I want to tell all those who have fuelled the arms race over the last 15 years, sought to win unilateral advantages over Russia, introduced unlawful sanctions aimed to contain our country’s development: all what you wanted to impede with your policies have already happened,” he said. “You have failed to contain Russia.”

Russian President Vladimir Putin delivers his annual address to the Federal Assembly, showing animations of new nuclear weapons developed by the government. Photo: EPA
Russian President Vladimir Putin delivers his annual address to the Federal Assembly in Moscow. Photo: EPA
The announcement comes as Putin is set to easily win another six-year presidential term in the March 18 election.

He said that the nuclear-powered cruise missile tested last fall has an unlimited range and high speed and maneuverability allowing it to pierce any missile defence.

The Russian leader said the high-speed underwater drone also has an “intercontinental” range and is capable of carrying a nuclear warhead that could target both aircraft carriers and coastal facilities. He said its operational depth and high speed would make it immune to enemy intercept.

He added to applause that names for the nuclear-powered cruise missile and the drone have not yet been chosen, and suggested that the Defence Ministry run a nationwide contest for the best names.

The unusual display of military might was the most dramatic element of the speech, which started with pledges to deliver a “decisive breakthrough” to boost living standards and raise spending on health and infrastructure.

Putin accompanied his statement to an audience of hundreds of senior officials and lawmakers with videos and computer images of new weapons, which were shown on giant screens at a conference hall near the Kremlin.

“No one in the world has anything like that,” he said. “It may appear someday, but by that time we will develop something new.”

The Russian leader said that another new weapon called Avangard is an intercontinental hypersonic missile that would fly to targets at a speed 20 times the speed of sound and strike “like a meteorite, like a fireball”.

Putin said that Russia also tested a new heavy intercontinental ballistic missile, called Sarmat, with a range and number of warheads exceeding its Soviet-era predecessor, known in the West as Satan.

Russian President Vladimir Putin addresses the Federal Assembly at the Manezh Central Exhibition Hall in Moscow. Photo: EPA
The Russian leader emphasised that the development of new weapons that have no equivalent in the West came in response to the US withdrawal from a cold war-era treaty banning missile defences and US efforts to develop a missile defence system.

He said that the US has ignored Russian complaints.

“No one has listened to us,” he said. “You listen to us now.”

He singled out a new US nuclear strategy document as threatening to lower the threshold for using the weapons, and warned that any use of nuclear arms against Russia or its allies would meet a “immediate response”.

It comes after it was revealed in December that China had been carrying out test flights of new ballistic missiles with hypersonic capabilities.

Citing a US government source, The Diplomat reported that China had conducted two tests of a new missile known as the DF-17 in November last year.

The DF-17 was assessed as a medium-range system, that could cover a range of between 1,800km and 2,500km, and deliver both nuclear and conventional warheads.

Putin reiterated that the new weapons will help ensure global stability and draw a line under attempts to weaken Russia.

He said that another weapons system, called Kinzhal, already has been deployed in Russia’s Southern Military District. He said it’s a hypersonic missile carried by an aircraft that can strike targets 2,000km (1,250 miles) away.

The address is his first major policy statement since he formally kicked off his campaign for the presidential elections. Putin, 65, is all but certain to win re-election for a fourth and likely final term to extend his rule to 2024. With factions jostling for advantage over the succession, his biggest challenge will be to build a team and a system capable of sustaining Putinism after he leaves office.

While his approval ratings have remained consistently above 80 per cent since the 2014 annexation of Crimea, public discontent is rising amid weak economic growth that is followed the longest recession this century. Many of his promises from his last campaign have remained unfulfilled amid the weak economic performance. Deepening tensions with the West threaten to further isolate the Kremlin.

Putin addressed domestic issues head on in the speech on Thursday, pledging to cut the 20-million-strong ranks of Russia’s poor by half by the middle of the next decade and boost incomes across the country. He called for raising spending on roads, health care, pensions, and efforts to reverse the decline in Russia’s population. He also called for making “hard decisions” on long-overdue reforms, but did not spell them out.

“We need to make a decisive breakthrough in the prosperity of our citizens,” he said. “Falling behind is the main threat, that is our enemy,” he added, targeting a 50 per cent increase in per capita gross domestic product by the middle of the next decade.

Putin had cut back his public campaign appearances in the last two weeks as a result of what the Kremlin said was a cold. Thursday, he sounded hoarse and coughed as he spoke. He is expected to appear at a major rally of supporters in a Moscow stadium Saturday.
Quite a number of things have happened in the past couple years which we all would have mocked in a work of fiction. Here's another one of them!

So, are any missile technology-knowing people able to weigh in on how much of this is or isn't bullshit and how big of a deal it is?

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Re: Putin Boasts of Unstoppable Russian Super Nukes

Post by FireNexus » 2018-03-01 09:48am

If all of this tech exists (the unlimited range cruise missile sounds like total horseshit) then it can’t be intercepted YET. The drone nuclear torpedo sounds like something that might be doable, but which could be countermeasured with just a moderate amount of research effort. It would only be useful until then in the context of a full-nuclear strike (because the claims of totally poisoning the coasts for decades are horseshit on the face) and the math of that still looks very bad for Russia.

This isn’t even to scare anyone else (because policy makers and military planners know it’s bullshit) it’s to make the average Russian continue to get a half-chub over the mighty leader Putin even as their military continues to crumble. He’s really looking a lot weaker than I’d expected him to in public on the back of this.
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Post by Caiaphas » 2018-03-01 10:19am

In fairness, some of that is apparently in future developement. The Guardian explicitly mentioned that the nuclear-powered cruise missile was something they were planning to DEVELOP, at least.

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Post by Luke Starkiller » 2018-03-01 10:30am

The unlimited range cruise missile sounds like Project Pluto https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pluto which is an engineering and technical challenge but not conceptually unworkable. It is also fucking insane from a public perception point of view.
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Post by mr friendly guy » 2018-03-02 09:44am

The Russian leader said that another new weapon called Avangard is an intercontinental hypersonic missile that would fly to targets at a speed 20 times the speed of sound and strike “like a meteorite, like a fireball”.

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ICBMs can fly faster than mach 20. Presumably the Avangard can take a non ballistic route, which would make it harder to intercept as its pathways is not so predictable. I know the Chinese also tested something like this in late 2017, but are not expected to deploy it until a few years later. From the same source the US and Russia weren't known to have tested one meant for deployment at that stage. *


* https://thediplomat.com/2017/12/introdu ... e-vehicle/

If Russia could deploy the Avangard this year, they would most likely be ahead of the curve. Please note I am not an expert.
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Re: Putin Boasts of Unstoppable Russian Super Nukes

Post by SolarpunkFan » 2018-03-02 02:41pm

I'm not sure how reliable a source Business Insider is. But for what it's worth.

Putin's nuclear weapons scare tactic is his best attempt at intimidation, but it's not working
Russian President Vladimir Putin gave a wild state of the nation address to the country’s elites on Thursday, and he chose to conclude the speech by hyping up a bunch of doomsday nuclear devices and threatening to retaliate against anyone who attacks the US with nuclear force.

But Putin’s talk was classic bluster. In reality, his country has severe weaknesses.

“There was nothing new in his speech,” Anna Borschevskaya, an expert on Russia at the Washington Institute, told Business Insider.

Take a look at this line from Putin after he described new nuclear weapons systems he framed as able to defeat the US: “They kept ignoring us,” Putin said of the West, to a standing ovation. “Nobody wanted to listen to us, so listen to us now.”

Borschevskaya pointed out “the victimization themes in his speech.”

“You (implying the West) didn’t listen to us before, but you will listen now,” she said, adding that Russia has threatened the US with nuclear weapons before.

With weak oil prices and international sanctions crushing Russia’s economy, “Putin has little else to offer to the public besides the classic narratives of Russia as a besieged fortress surrounded by enemies,” Borschevskaya said.

This possibly explains why other non-nuclear nations play a greater role in the international community and enjoy a higher standard of living than Russia, which prioritises nuclear weapons above other things like investing in education or infrastructure.

Russia has a smaller GDP than Canada, but four times the population. Canada doesn’t have nuclear weapons or a large military footprint, but somehow it gets other countries to listen to it.

So while military might is Putin’s last leg to stand on, recent events question even that.

Untold numbers of Russian mercenaries are dying in Syria

Putin is reportedly trying to keep a lid on a troubling news story that hundreds of Russian nationals were handily defeated by US air power in Syria. Detailed reports and allegedly leaked audio paint a picture of an embarrassing defeat at the hands of the US military, and how the remains of dead Russian mercenaries are being held until after Russia’s presidential election in March.

And while Putin’s new nuclear weapons may improve upon older models, they don’t really change much.

“These concepts were raised and explored repeatedly during the Cold War,” Justin Bronk, a combat aviation expert at the Royal United Services Institute, told Business Insider. “To be honest I don’t think they’re terribly destabilizing.”

The early part of Putin’s speech made big promises on social and economic issues, which are “very important to the Russian public,” according to Borschevskaya.

“Everything from poor roads, a classic problem in Russia, to health care and poverty,” came up in the speech, “but while he talked big, he said nothing about exactly how these issues are going to get improved,” she said.

“While this might make Putin look like a tough guy flexing new nuclear muscles ahead of upcoming undemocratic elections in Russia that will coronate him again, the new systems don’t change the essential deterrence equation between the US and Russia,” Barry Pavel, a senior vice president and director of the Scowcroft Center for Strategy and Security at the Atlantic Council wrote.

Putin’s appeal to nuclear might as a tool of persuasion and national power in 2018 represents a bygone era of Cold War competition, and doesn’t really change anything.
Probably not a solid argument, but it does contain a few grains of truth by my reckoning (of which said reckoning is horrible... at the best of times :banghead: ).
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Re: Putin Boasts of Unstoppable Russian Super Nukes

Post by K. A. Pital » 2018-03-03 05:55am

FireNexus wrote:
2018-03-01 09:48am
If all of this tech exists (the unlimited range cruise missile sounds like total horseshit)
Look
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pluto
This was possible with 60's tech, so it sure is possible now. It's a cruise missile with a nuclear engine. Of course it's unlimited range.

Before saying something is horseshit, at least google for a few minutes.
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K. A. Pital wrote:
2018-03-03 05:55am
FireNexus wrote:
2018-03-01 09:48am
If all of this tech exists (the unlimited range cruise missile sounds like total horseshit)
Look
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pluto
This was possible with 60's tech, so it sure is possible now. It's a cruise missile with a nuclear engine. Of course it's unlimited range.

Before saying something is horseshit, at least google for a few minutes.
Of course, one of the big reasons why the US cancelled it was it was somewhat impossible to test a flying radiological disaster.
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Post by Zixinus » 2018-03-03 10:17am

Unless you really don't give a damn and consider showing off your nuclear-based weaponry to be more important than the health of your citizens.
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Zixinus wrote:
2018-03-03 10:17am
Unless you really don't give a damn and consider showing off your nuclear-based weaponry to be more important than the health of your citizens.
I'd also imagine that building these things would be rather expensive. As in costing money. Y'know, something that Russia doesn't have terribly much of at the moment?

That's some screwed up bread and circus shit right there. :wtf:
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Post by Zixinus » 2018-03-03 12:25pm

The real question is whether Russia truly has these weapons, in the sense of "ready to fire on the President's order".

If there are, then they are going to be paid for even at the expense of pretty much anything.
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Post by Pelranius » 2018-03-03 12:50pm

With that nuclear ramjet missile, its going to be pretty easyto tea ckwith its radioactive exhaust, unless the fuel doesn't ablate.
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Post by SolarpunkFan » 2018-03-03 02:42pm

Just for a bit of comedy, it seems RT is upset that an certain Elon Musk tweet got more attention than their saber rattling.

https://twitter.com/CarlSchreck/status/ ... wsrc%5Etfw

This story is becoming quite a mix of WTF and flat out humor. Maybe the radio stations should start putting the Benny Hill theme on heavy circulation? :lol: :wink:
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Post by K. A. Pital » 2018-03-03 02:54pm

Beowulf wrote:
2018-03-03 07:32am
Of course, one of the big reasons why the US cancelled it was it was somewhat impossible to test a flying radiological disaster.
True. But maybe Russia is being more reckless. Maybe it will go the whole "cobalt bomb, poor man's weapon, doomsday tsunami, you will all fucking die you motherfuckers if any of you try it" type of thing. I mean, "On The Beach" was written for a reason. Militarism and common sense are often mutually incompatible things (not for a lack of reasons either; looking for an assymetical approach against a technologically advanced enemy can lead one to consider insane solutions).
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Post by FireNexus » 2018-03-03 05:57pm

K. A. Pital wrote:
2018-03-03 05:55am
FireNexus wrote:
2018-03-01 09:48am
If all of this tech exists (the unlimited range cruise missile sounds like total horseshit)
Look
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pluto
This was possible with 60's tech, so it sure is possible now. It's a cruise missile with a nuclear engine. Of course it's unlimited range.

Before saying something is horseshit, at least google for a few minutes.
I’m familiar with project Pluto.

It didn’t sound like horseshit because of its unlimited range. It sounded like horseshit because of the claim that it can’t be intercepted while flying halfway around the world at treetop height, spewing radioactive exhaust the whole way.

And also because something having been potentially possible (read, never actually flew) with 1960s tech doesn’t mean it’s a viable weapons technology in an era where its key advantages are effectively nullified by ubiquitous commercial-grade satellite technology combined with regular guns.
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Post by CetaMan » 2018-03-03 06:32pm

The cruise missile is something difficult to intercept with a counter-missile, but something like a YAL system may be able to intercept it if given warning. Though the project was considered "cancelled"...

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Post by Sea Skimmer » 2018-03-03 11:22pm

CetaMan wrote:
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The cruise missile is something difficult to intercept with a counter-missile, but something like a YAL system may be able to intercept it if given warning. Though the project was considered "cancelled"...
Umm not really. The whole point of YAL was by flying at 35,000 feet it was above around 95% of the air mass on the planet, greatly reducing thermal blooming and target tracking problems for a high energy laser against a missile at the same or higher altitude. The performance of it's 3 MW class laser against a low altitude target wouldn't have been amazing in terms of range or time to kill. For how big and expensive such an aircraft is a conventional fighter would be far more effective against any form of low altitude missile.

The ideal money printing counter to the Russkie-SLAM would be the mach 3+ F-12 fighter and E-10 AWACS together. Both cancelled, but both very realistic projects, the F-12 actually shot down multiple targets IRL and all that. But this is hardly the only solution either. Many assumptions you could make in the early 1960s are no longer valid.

But I mean, for what a nuclear powered cruise missile will cost the Russians per warhead on target the US is already winning just by Russia building them. The MIG-31 launched Iskander Putin revealed is probably a lot more threatening in any likely future scenario, and not subject to INF or SORT treat limits in theory.
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Post by CetaMan » 2018-03-04 12:21am

Okay, thanks for the additional info. I wasn't particularly sure hence the maybe. Always good to get knowledge from someone who knows more.

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Post by Simon_Jester » 2018-03-04 12:55am

Zixinus wrote:
2018-03-03 12:25pm
The real question is whether Russia truly has these weapons, in the sense of "ready to fire on the President's order".

If there are, then they are going to be paid for even at the expense of pretty much anything.
If they'd ever been live tested in a serious way (i.e. "go have one fly around in circles over the polar icecap for a few days, then crash into the ocean north of Siberia") then the radioactive crap they spewed into the atmosphere would have been noticed pretty readily, I suspect.

I can believe they're working on it, I can believe they've done a few static tests of the engine. But I really can't believe they have a serviceable design in active deployment.
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Post by Lord Revan » 2018-03-04 01:26am

I wonder if Putin is trying to intentionally trigger an arms race like the one that contributed to the fall of the Soviet Union, but this time planning on being the one that is on top after the dust falls. With USA having wasted their resources to counter or overdo designs that never were practical to begin with.

With Putin betting of Trump overreacting due to Trump's inexperience in internation politics and military matters.
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Post by Imperial Overlord » 2018-03-04 02:32am

To me this reads like it's intended mostly for internal consumption. Since the economy is shit, Putin seems to be trying to boost his "strong leader, strong nation" image and playing on the fear of external enemies to shore up his public support.
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Post by Sea Skimmer » 2018-03-04 11:38pm

Simon_Jester wrote:
2018-03-04 12:55am
If there are, then they are going to be paid for even at the expense of pretty much anything.
If they'd ever been live tested in a serious way (i.e. "go have one fly around in circles over the polar icecap for a few days, then crash into the ocean north of Siberia") then the radioactive crap they spewed into the atmosphere would have been noticed pretty readily, I suspect.[/quote]

Emissions would be mainly I-131 which might or might not be noticed in that part of the world; but that also assumes they used an open cycle engine which is no given. If the engine is closed cycle it could still be decently supersonic (also not a given, supersonic increases the chances of satellite detection) but would not emit much radiation. Small amounts would still be induced by it's exterior unshielded passage but I doubt they would be noticed.

Also Pluto was a physically huge missile because the Air Force wanted the same 10,000lb intercontinental payload it demanded of its manned bombers, some indications are this is much smaller. A smaller Pluto existed on paper too to fit a Polaris SLBM tube. It only had six warheads but the same general performance. Indications are the Russian missile is much smaller then Pluto; some people speculate probably very same size of the P-700 Granit missile based on the observed launcher which does not appear to be a new tube, and the fact that this would if nothing else give Russia a plausible way to deploy it. At one point it was proposed to flight test the Pluto engine at roughly half scale and lower power on the Regulus II missile airframe, and that sucker is only about 1/3rd bigger then Granit.

Meanwhile the total radiation emissions from a Pluto test flight were reckoned to be around 1% of the fallout of a 20kt nuclear air burst, except spread out over thousands of times the area. Its not good, it's also not exactly the worst thing humanity can do. That's why the original program could get as far as it got.

Also something to keep in mind, while testing this stuff is a bit mad, its way simpler today then in the 1960s. One of many problems problem with Pluto was TERCOM guidance was a brand new and untested idea, only much simpler 'do it once at the target' radar scene matching had previously been used on the Mace missile, and that was one of the things that was eventually going to have to be tested over land. The Russians might just forego that kind of testing and use a conventional surrogate, or in all reality, they may simply only plan on hitting coastal targets in the first place just like the nuclear torpedo where it'd be irrelevant. Though guidance remains a real sticky point for any ultra long range cruise missile. Pluto was facing huge cost issues in its own right. It took 700 million dollars to get that program to the point it was canceled at, and in comparison the B-70 program including the prototypes cost 1.5 billion.

Most of the really dire test problems with a Pluto like system concern the missile going out of control overland or crashing in a way that smashes open the reactor, then all bets are off Notionally if everything goes to plan the reactor can scram and then crash into deep water and it won't breakup or meltdown while the fuel rod cladding would slow down the spread of radiation for a long time. At which point lets keep in mind the USSR already threw ~45 nuclear reactors into the ocean in the first place, the US threw 1, and both countries lost multiple nuclear submarines, several of the Russian ones being known to have had major damage to the engineering spaces. The one that sank in the North Sea actually got 'sealed' up with clay in the 1990s, and that's a possible option the Russians might explore for mitigating the dangers of these kind of missile tests.

They are putting serious money into submersible technology anyway, a mission to bury a small reactor in clay might just be taken as a chance to engage in another form of training and testing. Such a mission could also go recover key parts of the missile guidance system ect... before a US submarine steals them as the US has often done in the past. Full recovery of a small reactor also wouldn't be impossible but I highly doubt they'd do that. More likely they will just have the missiles try to crash in the same general areas they already dumped high level nuclear waste in.



I can believe they're working on it, I can believe they've done a few static tests of the engine. But I really can't believe they have a serviceable design in active deployment.
Certainly not. The weapons the Russians boast about are the ones nowhere near ready for service, and it's not like they need it right now anyway. A program like this is a hedge against the US deploying a full ABM system in the future. As is they are not oozing spare money for weapons right now either, and last I heard have still not resumed large scale SSBN deployments; normally most of their boats are tied up to pier unlike US one's, but Putin made a call a few years ago to restore a higher deployment tempo. But that costs a huge amount of money which is the whole reason why they didn't do it to start with.
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Re: Putin Boasts of Unstoppable Russian Super Nukes

Post by Sea Skimmer » 2018-03-04 11:54pm

Lord Revan wrote:
2018-03-04 01:26am
I wonder if Putin is trying to intentionally trigger an arms race like the one that contributed to the fall of the Soviet Union, but this time planning on being the one that is on top after the dust falls. With USA having wasted their resources to counter or overdo designs that never were practical to begin with.

With Putin betting of Trump overreacting due to Trump's inexperience in internation politics and military matters.
Nah this is a long term hedge and if it is flying in 2017-2018 work had to begin at the time of the Ukraine War if not much much earlier. While the current US ABM programs offer no useful defense against an attack by more then a single Russian missile submarine, and barely even that, in 10-15 years time that could be radically changed. Meanwhile the Russian bomber fleet is aging and contrary to what some morons on the internet might tell, you explcitly the new PAK-DA bomber is going to be subsonic and probably not very stealthy either. So standoff missile platform in it's own right, and own limitations that brings.

An expensive nuclear cruise missile program is probably an indication of a lack of faith in any possible capabilities of PAK-DA too. For one thing because it's always going to be vulnerable to a first strike like any bomber is, and plausibly a conventional first strike given vast US superiority in both stealth aircraft and long range conventionally powered and conventionally armed cruise missiles. That's something that has concerned Russia for a long time.

The point of a weapon like this is to discourage the US from ever trying to deploy a full scale ABM system, thus preventing Russia from needing to replace all its nuclear missile forces completely. The US has very limited air defenses, and while it has plenty of systems that could stop mach 3-4 cruise missiles, such things have existed since the 1960s after all, actually deploying such defenses for the US mainland would be it's own immense cost.


So really this is just another aspect of deterrence that's much more appealing to Russia then the US given geographic and technological realities. Also don't discount the rise of China behind this. Russia needs all it's tricks to stay relevant, and it's not a sign of Russian power that it's now selling its top weapon systems to the Chinese in the form of S-400 and Su-35 (but in only small numbers, meaning China gets the technology at a low price) while it's beloved Su-57 fighter had to be codeveloped and funded with India.
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Re: Putin Boasts of Unstoppable Russian Super Nukes

Post by Lord Revan » 2018-03-05 10:23am

Sea Skimmer wrote:
2018-03-04 11:54pm
Lord Revan wrote:
2018-03-04 01:26am
I wonder if Putin is trying to intentionally trigger an arms race like the one that contributed to the fall of the Soviet Union, but this time planning on being the one that is on top after the dust falls. With USA having wasted their resources to counter or overdo designs that never were practical to begin with.

With Putin betting of Trump overreacting due to Trump's inexperience in internation politics and military matters.
Nah this is a long term hedge and if it is flying in 2017-2018 work had to begin at the time of the Ukraine War if not much much earlier. While the current US ABM programs offer no useful defense against an attack by more then a single Russian missile submarine, and barely even that, in 10-15 years time that could be radically changed. Meanwhile the Russian bomber fleet is aging and contrary to what some morons on the internet might tell, you explcitly the new PAK-DA bomber is going to be subsonic and probably not very stealthy either. So standoff missile platform in it's own right, and own limitations that brings.

An expensive nuclear cruise missile program is probably an indication of a lack of faith in any possible capabilities of PAK-DA too. For one thing because it's always going to be vulnerable to a first strike like any bomber is, and plausibly a conventional first strike given vast US superiority in both stealth aircraft and long range conventionally powered and conventionally armed cruise missiles. That's something that has concerned Russia for a long time.

The point of a weapon like this is to discourage the US from ever trying to deploy a full scale ABM system, thus preventing Russia from needing to replace all its nuclear missile forces completely. The US has very limited air defenses, and while it has plenty of systems that could stop mach 3-4 cruise missiles, such things have existed since the 1960s after all, actually deploying such defenses for the US mainland would be it's own immense cost.


So really this is just another aspect of deterrence that's much more appealing to Russia then the US given geographic and technological realities. Also don't discount the rise of China behind this. Russia needs all it's tricks to stay relevant, and it's not a sign of Russian power that it's now selling its top weapon systems to the Chinese in the form of S-400 and Su-35 (but in only small numbers, meaning China gets the technology at a low price) while it's beloved Su-57 fighter had to be codeveloped and funded with India.
What I meant is that Putin is trying to bluff US in to spending billions of dollars countering a missile that's in reality is good for showing off in a parade if even that and he is hoping that by the time US calls his bluff they're ruined themselves economically by chasing ghosts.
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Re: Putin Boasts of Unstoppable Russian Super Nukes

Post by Zixinus » 2018-03-05 03:11pm

So, let me try to get this clear:

The weapons that Putin is boasting about are not ready to be deployed on his order?
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