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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/neo ... th-n763251

I shouldn't laugh, but when I heard this on Secular Talk I burst out laughing.
Neo-Nazi-Turned-Muslim Charged With Killing Roommates Who ‘Disrespected’ Faith
by TIM STELLOH
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A former neo-Nazi who converted to Islam was charged with killing two roommates in his Florida apartment after he says they disrespected his faith, authorities said.

Devon Arthurs, 18, was booked on two counts of first-degree murder, two counts of aggravated assault and three counts of armed kidnapping, jail records show.

Cops first encountered Arthurs Friday afternoon after he took hostages at a smoke shop north of the city, according to a statement from a Tampa Bay police spokesperson.

Arthurs barred an employee and two customers from leaving the shop, the statement said. Citing police documents, the Tampa Bay Times reported that he ordered them onto the ground and "informed all three victims that he was upset due to America bombing his Muslim countries."

After responding officers convinced him to let the hostages go, they took Arthurs into custody. That's when he told them that he killed two of his roommates and that their bodies were at their apartment, the statement says.

Jeremy Himmelman, 22, and Andrew Oneschuk, 18, were found there shot to death.

A fourth roommate, Brandon Russell, was found unharmed but later charged with illegally storing bomb-making equipment in his garage, according to court records.

Russell identified himself to police as a National Guard soldier, as well as a national socialist and a member of a group called the "Atom Waffen," or Atomic Weapon, according to court records. On Russell's dresser, court records say, he kept a framed photo of Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh.

Arthurs alleged that he and his roommates "shared a common neo-Nazi belief" until his recent conversion to Islam, according to court documents.

"He said his roommates disrespected his Muslim faith," the statement said. "He also said he had become angered by what he described as the world's anti-Muslim sentiment and wanted to bring attention to his cause."

Himmelman's sister, Lyssa, told the Times that her brother and Oneschuk had arrived in Florida a couple of weeks earlier from Massachusetts and immediately suspected that "something was off" with Arthurs. They planned to leave Sunday, she told the paper. She described her brother as a lover of animals and hiking, while Oneschuk was "a wonderful guy with a good heart."

Arthurs told authorities that Russell used neo-Nazi chatrooms, where he threatened to kill people and bomb infrastructure, the court records say.

After searching the apartment's garage, bomb technicians found a cooler filled with explosive material, the records say. Nearby, they discovered electric matches and ammunition casings that could be used to detonate a bomb.

Russell told authorities that the explosives were for homemade rockets and balloons that he used for an engineering club at the University of South Florida, according to the court records.

A special agent with the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Timothy Swanson, said in the court records that the material was "too energetic and volatile" for such uses.
Just to make this case a bit more complicated, it appears his room mates were making some type of bomb, so he may have prevented a terrorist attack.
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Well, that's fucked up.

It makes me wonder why they didn't catch the fuck sooner, if he was making terrorist threats on line.

It also makes me think that he's probably not so much a serious ideologue, as just a crazy looking for any fringe extremist group to give his sorry life meaning.
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I'd assume that the FBI was trying to put together a sting operation rather then arresting him just on making threats. That seems to be their current mode of operation, go after the fucks when there is no real wiggle room and when they might be able to get more people. Arresting Arthur just for the threats most likely just get him a slap on the wrist and leave his 3 accomplices turned victims free to carry at the plot.

And yes, its just sounds like he's a fucking nutter attaching himself to any ideology that he could use to justify his stupidity. He would have been an extremist no matter what set of beliefs he used. Why hopefully people don't try to paint him as a hero who stopped a bomb plot, he was jsut an asshole who happened to kill two other assholes.

I do gotta admit this is pretty funny in a morbid sort of way. It sucks anyone died but I guess if anyone is going to die it may as well be two idiots trying to hurt others.
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The Romulan Republic wrote:It makes me wonder why they didn't catch the fuck sooner, if he was making terrorist threats on line.

It also makes me think that he's probably not so much a serious ideologue, as just a crazy looking for any fringe extremist group to give his sorry life meaning.
Unfortunately, lots of people make what can be considered "terrorist threats" online in chatrooms and the like. Sorting the real ones from the blowhards is... a big job. Usually after any big event you'll be able to find lots of people stating that everyone is now fucked, and that some sort of violence is now the only solution.
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The Romulan Republic wrote:Well, that's fucked up.

It makes me wonder why they didn't catch the fuck sooner, if he was making terrorist threats on line.
As Gandalf said, there are probably a staggering number of lunatics who state, claim, or hint that they're going to commit terrorist attacks. It would require borderline thought-police level surveillance and control to arrest everyone who talks like that on the Internet. And there would inevitably be a large number of borderline cases of people getting arrested for 'just talking' that would raise a huge mountain of civil rights issues.
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The secret service is infamous for tracking down any public threat of harm to the PotUS, which consumes quite a bit of time and effort. That is threats to just one person. Now imagine trying to research each and every utterance of a possible threat or terror attack to anything whatsoever.... it's an impossible job. Just trying to sort out even somewhat credible threats from nutters talking out of their ass is an immense job.

But yeah, there's something very darkly funny about the whole thing. For all that it's deadly serious (literaly, with two murders) there's a lot of absurdity there.
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Gandalf wrote:
The Romulan Republic wrote:It makes me wonder why they didn't catch the fuck sooner, if he was making terrorist threats on line.

It also makes me think that he's probably not so much a serious ideologue, as just a crazy looking for any fringe extremist group to give his sorry life meaning.
Unfortunately, lots of people make what can be considered "terrorist threats" online in chatrooms and the like. Sorting the real ones from the blowhards is... a big job. Usually after any big event you'll be able to find lots of people stating that everyone is now fucked, and that some sort of violence is now the only solution.
Sadly, yes.

I can think of more than one on this forum alone, for that matter.
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