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Re: the problem of overbooked flights in the US

Postby mr friendly guy » 2017-04-12 10:53pm

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There is a Dr. David Dao with the legal history as described, which is Dr. David Anh Duy Dao, as reported by the Independent. The publication claims that the passenger on the United flight may have actually been Dr. David Thanh Duc Dao, an unrelated person. Confusion still seems to exist about Dr. Dao, as reported by TMZ.


http://www.inquisitr.com/4136331/david- ... son-years/

Since all Asian people look the same, it was an easy mistake for the western media to make.

If this is true, then I wonder if the passenger could sue those shitty journalists for libel. Or do the journalist actually have to know they got the wrong David Dao and still went with the story. At the very least they could apologise.
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Re: the problem of overbooked flights in the US

Postby LadyTevar » 2017-04-12 11:11pm

I'm trying to find the source, but I saw in Facebook Doctor Dao has retained TWO lawyers.
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Re: the problem of overbooked flights in the US

Postby Broomstick » 2017-04-12 11:22pm

Ralin wrote:It wasn't airport security. They called in actual law enforcement.

I know it's complicated, but try to keep up: they were Chicago police working for the city aviation department - in other words, airport security that happen to also be Chicago police officers. It's a specific, unarmed detail for airport security past the TSA screening.
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Re: the problem of overbooked flights in the US

Postby Gandalf » 2017-04-12 11:25pm

mr friendly guy wrote:If this is true, then I wonder if the passenger could sue those shitty journalists for libel. Or do the journalist actually have to know they got the wrong David Dao and still went with the story. At the very least they could apologise.


As I understand it, he would have to prove that the journalists knew that they knew about the different David Daos and deliberately lied.
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Re: the problem of overbooked flights in the US

Postby Flagg » 2017-04-12 11:48pm

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Broomstick wrote:There are enough people willing to accept compensation in return for a (usually) short delay in their travel to make it work out the vast majority of the time. Keep in mind, getting bumped at a major hub like O'Hare might mean you leave 2 or 3 hours later than originally planned, so maybe you get to your hotel at 7 pm at night instead of 5 pm. A lot of travel arrangements can handle that. So usually there isn't this sort of problem

If it wasn't cost-effective for the airlines they wouldn't do it.

What if the overbooked flight you get "bumped" (aka thrown out the door with the cabin crew giving you the finger with both hands) from is a connecting flight? Are you just supposed to take however much they will pay you and hope that buying a ticket for the next connecting flight is the same price as it was before the greed of the shittiest service industry on Earth caused you to miss the first one?

People needing connecting flights are a lot less likely to volunteer than those not needing connecting flight. I'm talking about volunteers, not those involuntarily put off flights.

Yeah, but I'm talking about people on the randomly computer generated "Get these motherfucking customers, off my motherfucking plane!" Software.
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Re: the problem of overbooked flights in the US

Postby Gandalf » 2017-04-12 11:58pm

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Ralin wrote:It wasn't airport security. They called in actual law enforcement.

I know it's complicated, but try to keep up: they were Chicago police working for the city aviation department - in other words, airport security that happen to also be Chicago police officers. It's a specific, unarmed detail for airport security past the TSA screening.


So when they yanked the guy off the plane, were they doing so as airport security, the Chicago police, or both?
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Re: the problem of overbooked flights in the US

Postby Flagg » 2017-04-13 12:06am

Broomstick wrote:Or, you know, the names ARE similar and they didn't double check that they had the correct David Dao.

Isn't it sad that journalism in this country sucks so much that in order to be first, a shitload of outlets are calling the man brutally beaten for not getting to the back of off the bus plane a drug abusing criminal who'd had his license to practice medicine pulled because they couldn't be bothered to look at or look up his fucking middle name while showing the footage of him being manhandled on a loop?
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Re: the problem of overbooked flights in the US

Postby Flagg » 2017-04-13 12:10am

Gandalf wrote:
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Ralin wrote:It wasn't airport security. They called in actual law enforcement.

I know it's complicated, but try to keep up: they were Chicago police working for the city aviation department - in other words, airport security that happen to also be Chicago police officers. It's a specific, unarmed detail for airport security past the TSA screening.


So when they yanked the guy off the plane, were they doing so as airport security, the Chicago police, or both?

Shockingly, it depends on what uniform they were wearing.
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Re: the problem of overbooked flights in the US

Postby bilateralrope » 2017-04-13 12:33am

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Broomstick wrote:This is confusing, so bear with me.

It's when the rule when the 400% compensation kicks in - the airline is only required to refund 400% of the ticket up to a maximum of $1350, meaning if the ticket is more than $337.50 the airline is only on the hook for $1350 whether the ticket is $337.50 or $521.02 or whatever.

So it's a maximum minimum.

The airline can compensate with a higher number at their discretion, but they have to refund at least 400% up to a certain amount.

I'm not sure if that explanation helps or not.


That makes sense.

Not really. What if the ticket cost $1500?

Then the law still says that the minimum compensation is $1350.

Which is another reason why I think the airline should have two choices regarding refusing to fly people:
- Increase the offered compensation until somebody volunteers. If that means they have to offer millions, so be it.
- Cancel the flight due to a specific health and safety issue. Everyone gets a statutory compensation.
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Re: the problem of overbooked flights in the US

Postby Broomstick » 2017-04-13 04:40am

Gandalf wrote:
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Ralin wrote:It wasn't airport security. They called in actual law enforcement.

I know it's complicated, but try to keep up: they were Chicago police working for the city aviation department - in other words, airport security that happen to also be Chicago police officers. It's a specific, unarmed detail for airport security past the TSA screening.

So when they yanked the guy off the plane, were they doing so as airport security, the Chicago police, or both?

Police.

Really, the two - airport security and Chicago police - are the same thing in this case. So both.
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Re: the problem of overbooked flights in the US

Postby mr friendly guy » 2017-04-13 06:33am

It turns out after checking the sources, that the David Dao who was on the plane was the same one who had his licence revoked and retained. The other David Dao was a resident elsewhere, and people have contacted both David Dao's associates to confirm. It was still a shitty thing to do by those journalists.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-uni ... story.html
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Re: the problem of overbooked flights in the US

Postby mr friendly guy » 2017-04-13 06:43am

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I guess this is how we are writing up the victims of crimes now. I did not realize that when you boarded a plane you gave away the right to have your past remain your past, but a theme of life these days is that only people who have never done anything wrong, or are in some way related to Donald Trump, deserve to go through their lives unmolested.

In accordance with this new house style I am writing up an incident whose anniversary some people are celebrating this week.

The gentleman arrested Thursday and tried before Pontius Pilate had a troubled background.

Born (possibly out of wedlock?) in a stable, this jobless thirty-something of Middle Eastern origin had had previous run-ins with local authorities for disturbing the peace, and had become increasingly associated with the members of a fringe religious group. He spent the majority of his time in the company of sex workers and criminals.

He had had prior run-ins with local authorities — most notably, an incident of vandalism in a community center when he wrecked the tables of several licensed money-lenders and bird-sellers. He had used violent language, too, claiming that he could destroy a gathering place and rebuild it.

At the time of his arrest, he had not held a fixed residence for years. Instead, he led an itinerant lifestyle, staying at the homes of friends and advocating the redistribution of wealth.

He had come to the attention of the authorities more than once for his unauthorized distribution of food, disruptive public behavior, and participation in farcical aquatic ceremonies.

Some say that his brutal punishment at the hands of the state was out of proportion to and unrelated to any of these incidents in his record.

But after all, he was no angel.


She should have added this Jesus fellow was practicing medicine and racist for refusing to treat the child of a Canaanite woman until she pointed out even "dogs" get to eat the crumbs that fall from the Israelite master's table.
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Re: the problem of overbooked flights in the US

Postby mr friendly guy » 2017-04-13 07:50am

LadyTevar wrote:I'm trying to find the source, but I saw in Facebook Doctor Dao has retained TWO lawyers.

For all its worth, Chinese news on my YT subscription has said Dao hired 2 lawyers, one specialising in personal injury claims and the other in aviation lawsuits.

Also they say Chicago PD have suspended another 2 officers.
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mr friendly guy wrote:It turns out after checking the sources, that the David Dao who was on the plane was the same one who had his licence revoked and retained. The other David Dao was a resident elsewhere, and people have contacted both David Dao's associates to confirm. It was still a shitty thing to do by those journalists.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-uni ... story.html

The worst part is, whichever David Dao it was, unless one of the mouth breathing sacks of meat was a fucking mind-reader who just by touching him could see the misdeeds of his past ala 'Unbreakable', it has absolutely nothing to do with this gods damned situation and never fucking will!

Even when this poor bastard (barring a sizable settlement) brings United into court it won't fucking matter.

So basically some asshole journalists were out for a scoop, found out totally irrelevant shit from his past, and being scum, published/broadcast it despite its irrelevancy.
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Gandalf wrote:
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Ralin wrote:It wasn't airport security. They called in actual law enforcement.

I know it's complicated, but try to keep up: they were Chicago police working for the city aviation department - in other words, airport security that happen to also be Chicago police officers. It's a specific, unarmed detail for airport security past the TSA screening.


So when they yanked the guy off the plane, were they doing so as airport security, the Chicago police, or both?


Police have different units. Homicide, Property Crime, Vice etc etc etc.

In this case, the CPD has an airport division.
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Re: the problem of overbooked flights in the US

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I have no idea how "made a few mistakes in his past" is relevant to being beaten because United fucked up and the guy had patients to take care of. I personally wouldn't be shocked if United were involved in this narrative being pushed, or the records being "uncovered."


It just goes along with the idea that "You done something shady in the past, therefore you are a bad person now!" I could see if there is enough shenanigans in one's past that can show a pattern, but even then that doesn't necessarily justify current treatment.

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I have no idea how "made a few mistakes in his past" is relevant to being beaten because United fucked up and the guy had patients to take care of. I personally wouldn't be shocked if United were involved in this narrative being pushed, or the records being "uncovered."


It just goes along with the idea that "You done something shady in the past, therefore you are a bad person now!" I could see if there is enough shenanigans in one's past that can show a pattern, but even then that doesn't necessarily justify current treatment.


It's literally completely irrelevant to how they treated him on the plane.
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General Zod wrote:
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Napoleon the Clown wrote:
I have no idea how "made a few mistakes in his past" is relevant to being beaten because United fucked up and the guy had patients to take care of. I personally wouldn't be shocked if United were involved in this narrative being pushed, or the records being "uncovered."


It just goes along with the idea that "You done something shady in the past, therefore you are a bad person now!" I could see if there is enough shenanigans in one's past that can show a pattern, but even then that doesn't necessarily justify current treatment.


It's literally completely irrelevant to how they treated him on the plane.


Ah yes, no disagreement there. I should have clarified that I was responding to the "United were involved in the narrative" and news reports of the "shady" practices. It should not have been reported either.

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Re: the problem of overbooked flights in the US

Postby mr friendly guy » 2017-04-28 01:14am

On my YT newsfeeds United is now planning to offer up to $10,000 USD for passengers to give up their seats. If it only went with the legal recommendation of up to $1350 it could have most probably avoided this shitstorm.
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Re: the problem of overbooked flights in the US

Postby Flagg » 2017-04-28 01:30am

mr friendly guy wrote:On my YT newsfeeds United is now planning to offer up to $10,000 USD for passengers to give up their seats. If it only went with the legal recommendation of up to $1350 it could have most probably avoided this shitstorm.

Well, given that United abuses both humans and animals, why weren't the United employees crated and put with the pets? :lol: :angelic:
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