Broomstick wrote:I live in a society where, pretty consistently this past couple decades, "freed up resources" generally only go to the 1%.
So the solution to a system designed to funnel surplus value to the 1% is less efficient practices and systems. Brilliant. Break out the steam locomotives, Broomstick has found a way to stick it to the wealthy.
No, the solution is to come up with a system that doesn't
stick it to everyone BUT the wealthy. Or do you have the illusion that you will be part of the 1%? If you're posting here you aren't, those sorts aren't slumming down here with us.
Maybe YOU like a world where the norm is indistinguishable from house rest, quite a few of the rest of us don't.
Yeah, that must be why I was advocating walking in parks and woods?
Yeah, that's great - if you can get access
to those parks and woods. That's what you seem too obtuse to understand.
And I suspect some of those "abandoned" rituals you speak of are not as abandoned as you think.
No,YOU keep up. Grocery delivery used to be normal
part of business, it was dirt common
once upon a time - when I first moved to Chicago back in the 1980's all the local stores offered it. Further back it was a norm.
I didn't realize that self-driving cars and drones were part of the labor market in the 1980s? It didn't take off then so it can't take off in the near-future when the right tech is properly implemented, is that the argument?
No, you fucking ignoramus - in the old days human beings
would pick out groceries from phone orders and deliver them in a local area. You also willfully missed my point about it far pre-dating the 1980's. Through the first half of the 20th Century home delivery of items like milk, ice, and other staples were routine. The concept is nothing new. Then it was largely abandoned. Now suddenly you think it's a new invention. Guess what - the world is older than you are, your experience with the world short-lived, and some of us remember when what you describe as "new" was in fact a routine part of life.
Delivery of groceries is not a new concept. Doing with drones is a new technique, that's all. Stop patting yourself on the back congratulating yourself on reinventing the wheel.
And if they don't, fuck 'em, right? If grandma can't get over her so-called need to check the apples for firmness herself just fuck her, she'll take the on-line ordering and learn to like it, dammit!
"And if they don't" they'll support a shrinking market for brick-and-mortar locations for as long as their demographic still exists, which will disappear when they do in a gradual manner, possibly over two decades at the very most. Your "YOU WANNA KILL GRANDMA" histrionics are boilerplate SDN moral outrage pantomime that is around a decade or so past due even if it wasn't so far off the mark.
You mean like farmer's markets are a thing of the past... oh wait, if anything there are more now than 30 years ago.
Like I said - your experience with life is short. There are many many things that started to disappear but then came back because people missed them, or saw value in them. You haven't lived long enough to see this. You're like someone in the 1950's screaming food pills are the future!
while completely lacking an understanding that food is more than just supplying nutrients.
Yes, I am pulling the I'm older and I know better line on you because in this case it's true - I'm older and I know better. Sure, grocery delivery with drones will become an OPTION, it will not wholly replace the grocery store any more than grocery stores eliminated farmer's markets or even the gas-station type quickie-mart.
The downside is that the poorer folks likely will have fewer or no options.
How dare anyone not share your vision of the future, right?
I'm not that upset, to be honest; more than anything I'm sort of bewildered at your whole "shocked 1920's dowager" shtick in response to a model of business that would relieve said infirm and elderly from the tiring and difficult obligation of having to retrieve their groceries at an age where said obligation is not a casual undertaking, and casting it as some kind of campaign to terrorize them.
Right, because it's better to give the elderly and infirm NO option, just leave them isolated in little cubes and leave some food at the door so they don't starve.
That's the problem - you don't see that there is in fact a benefit to such people getting out of the house and making their own choices, even if it's something as trivial as selecting which oranges they're going to buy that day. Or maybe making their choices in person, then having a drone deliver them to their home for them.
"Oh, wait", this is just Broomstick's incipient dementia coming into bloom.
Oh, look - someone has no argument so let's engage in ad hominem
Next time, try a valid debating tactic.
Broomstick wrote:Well, I would wager that in "the past", people bought their groceries at brick and mortar locations because urban crowding hadn't escalated to the specific proportions it has now and because the introduction of new technology hadn't made revising the grocery delivery model a possibility.
What, you think urban crowding is a new thing? Really? Aren't you precious - you think we were all living on farms 50 years ago?
In truly dense areas - say, New York City - grocery stores can be and are incorporated into the same skyscrapers everything else is. They don't have to be a stand-alone structure.
As already noted - home delivery of groceries used to be both common and routine. Granted, it was done by people rather than robots but the concept is nothing new.
Also - what makes you think on-line ordering is impervious to theft? Let's see.... credit card fraud... stealing packages from peoples' porches...
This is your favorite thing to do in these arguments; rattle off every possible counteracting factor without any regard for their magnitude, statistical likelihood or significance.
Uh... yeah. I thought coming up with opposing arguments was the whole point
of having a debate.
Tell you what; you come up with some sources indicating that it's possible to defraud a grocery delivering website in similar proportion to the combined costs of shoplifting and employee theft, and I'll take this line of argument seriously.
Since I'm not a hacker I don't have a bunch of hacker buddies to clue me in on technique, but it was well broadcast last Christmas that package thefts are on the rise, with people watching for deliveries then stealing them off porches. I don't see why employees of a company that does home delivers - even with drones - couldn't be involved in theft. Granted there would be fewer such employees to have an opportunity, but you don't need a small army to steal packages.
Shit, I might even stop calling you out on this silly dowager shtick of yours.
Yeah about that - do you know what "dowager" means?
How about you NOT call me a widow until AFTER my husband is dead? Might be a little courteous. Especially since most likely you'll only have to wait about two weeks to a month before that's actually the case, asshole. Since you might not be aware that my husband is, in fact, in his last weeks I'll give you a pass on that up to now but STOP CALLING ME A WIDOW UNTIL I ACTUALLY AM ONE, FUCKHEAD.