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Re: Democrats now demonize Obama's Russia policies

Postby Flagg » 2017-03-11 04:35am

Wasn't Trump the standard bearer for the "birther movement", probably one of the most offensive and easily disproven conspiracy theories since the 9/11 "truther/loose change" bullshit? And unlike this conspiracy Vympel is talking about, it actually got serious air time on serious news channels, to the point that there are still people who believe it.

Granted, I'm not exactly watching the "garbage in, garbage out" 24/7 cable news so maybe some idiot didn't cut off a guest bringing it up soon enough, but even the conspiracy laden bullshit emails I keep unsubscribing from don't get into it or even mention it.

Am I missing something? Because there would be whole segments of news shows 6 or 7 years ago about the "Obama was born in Kenya" shit.
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Re: Democrats now demonize Obama's Russia policies

Postby Vympel » 2017-03-12 01:18am

Flagg wrote:Wasn't Trump the standard bearer for the "birther movement", probably one of the most offensive and easily disproven conspiracy theories since the 9/11 "truther/loose change" bullshit? And unlike this conspiracy Vympel is talking about, it actually got serious air time on serious news channels, to the point that there are still people who believe it.

Granted, I'm not exactly watching the "garbage in, garbage out" 24/7 cable news so maybe some idiot didn't cut off a guest bringing it up soon enough, but even the conspiracy laden bullshit emails I keep unsubscribing from don't get into it or even mention it.

Am I missing something? Because there would be whole segments of news shows 6 or 7 years ago about the "Obama was born in Kenya" shit.


That sort of stupid shit was spread on Fox News, yes. Does that exculpate MSNBC and CNN for doing the exact same thing? I thought Democrats were smarter and more rational than Republicans?
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Re: Democrats now demonize Obama's Russia policies.

Postby Flagg » 2017-03-12 07:50am

Vympel wrote:
Flagg wrote:Wasn't Trump the standard bearer for the "birther movement", probably one of the most offensive and easily disproven conspiracy theories since the 9/11 "truther/loose change" bullshit? And unlike this conspiracy Vympel is talking about, it actually got serious air time on serious news channels, to the point that there are still people who believe it.

Granted, I'm not exactly watching the "garbage in, garbage out" 24/7 cable news so maybe some idiot didn't cut off a guest bringing it up soon enough, but even the conspiracy laden bullshit emails I keep unsubscribing from don't get into it or even mention it.

Am I missing something? Because there would be whole segments of news shows 6 or 7 years ago about the "Obama was born in Kenya" shit.


That sort of stupid shit was spread on Fox News, yes. Does that exculpate MSNBC and CNN for doing the exact same thing? I thought Democrats were smarter and more rational than Republicans?

MSNBC and CNN covered the birther movement, with CNN (of the era, I don't know if they have moved more to the right, leftovers or tied themselves to the mainmast of centrism they've been at since at least 2000. From what I've seen on MSNBC the few times I've seen it, they are pretty much corporate democrat, so the norm.

And I'm not defending the corporate news networks, just pointing out that this isn't new shit.,
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Re: Democrats now demonize Obama's Russia policies.

Postby Vympel » 2017-03-13 01:34am

Flagg wrote:MSNBC and CNN covered the birther movement, with CNN (of the era, I don't know if they have moved more to the right, leftovers or tied themselves to the mainmast of centrism they've been at since at least 2000. From what I've seen on MSNBC the few times I've seen it, they are pretty much corporate democrat, so the norm.

And I'm not defending the corporate news networks, just pointing out that this isn't new shit.,


Fair enough, I just recall from the times i saw MSNBC and CNN when they covered the Birfers (think Orly Taitz, the Birfer Queen) that they did so with utter ridicule, to make fun of them.
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Re: Democrats now demonize Obama's Russia policies.

Postby Flagg » 2017-03-13 06:58am

Vympel wrote:
Flagg wrote:MSNBC and CNN covered the birther movement, with CNN (of the era, I don't know if they have moved more to the right, leftovers or tied themselves to the mainmast of centrism they've been at since at least 2000. From what I've seen on MSNBC the few times I've seen it, they are pretty much corporate democrat, so the norm.

And I'm not defending the corporate news networks, just pointing out that this isn't new shit.,


Fair enough, I just recall from the times i saw MSNBC and CNN when they covered the Birfers (think Orly Taitz, the Birfer Queen) that they did so with utter ridicule, to make fun of them.

I remember MSNBC ridiculing them, but it was with facts. I watched far less of CNN because I'd rather be given a rectal exam by Freddy Krueger than watch more than a few hours of CNN, and they would do the "Birthers say this, People with facts opposing the Birthers say this, we assume one of them is true but we won't call facts, facts, because fuck journalistic integrity!"
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Re: Democrats now demonize Obama's Russia policies

Postby His Divine Shadow » 2017-03-14 01:49pm

This whole russia thing is really getting out of hand
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTsch129Zwg
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Re: Democrats now demonize Obama's Russia policies

Postby Vympel » 2017-03-15 01:38am

His Divine Shadow wrote:This whole russia thing is really getting out of hand
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTsch129Zwg


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Re: Democrats now demonize Obama's Russia policies

Postby His Divine Shadow » 2017-03-15 03:05pm

Yeah I like him because he doesn't pull punches just because people might be on the left. If you're full of shit you will hear it.
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