Dead russian sub found in swedish waters

[cosmicalstorm]

This could be very juicy

P R E S S R E L E A S E 2015-07-27

A Russian mini-submarine has been discovered at Swedish territorial waters not far from the Swedish coast. The submarine is about 20 meters long and three and a half meters wide. It is unclear how old the submarine is and how long it has been laying at the sea floor, but the Cyrillic letters on the hull indicates that it is Russian.

The discovery was made previous week by the Ocean X Team and Ixplorer.

– The submarine is completely intact, have no visible damage to the hull and the hatches are closed. Therefore do we fear that the crew have not been able to save them self when the sub went down, says Stefan Hogeborn, divers in Ocean X Team.

The submarine was found during an expedition where a camera equipped, unmanned mini-submarine of the model ROV, Remote Operated Vehicle, was sent down.

Swedish Armed Forces was informed earlier today.

Ocean X Team is now preparing for a new expedition, divers will be sent down to film and to investigate the submarine wreck more closely.

Ocean X Team has previously made several discoveries such as shipwrecks and historical objects, including bottles of champagne from 1916 and the circular of the Baltic Sea Phenomenon etc.

See moving pictures of the discovery site here, Expressen: http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/framman ... kt-vatten/

http://www.oceanexplorer.se/

[Dartzap]

Is this the one the Swedes were playing Needle-in-a hey stack with earlier in the year?

[salm]

This oceanexplorer.se site has videos of alien skulls in the Baltic Sea and UFOs and shit.

[Edi]

This oceanexplorer.se site has videos of alien skulls in the Baltic Sea and UFOs and shit.

Wouldn't surprise me that of all the fucking sources available, our resident idiot would go for the conspiracy theorist nutcase site.

The find is legit though, it was all over the evening news here today and will hit international media as soon as they get their translations done. Found off the coast of Sweden, within territorial waters, good condition, all hatches closed, no seaweed accumulation or silting up, so it is recent. About 20 meters long and 3 meters wide. Reports of cyrillic letters on the hull. It was discovered several weeks ago already, but the Swedish Defense Forces only came out with this now. Investigations are still ongoing.

[Metahive]

comicalstorm picks his nose with as much prudence and diligence as his news sources. That's why all the screwdrivers are gone.

For fuck's sake, could we get a moratorium on this shit? It's getting boring.

[salm]

There´s an article on Spiegel.de about this now. Spiegel.de has turned into a pile of crap a long time ago but this article uses oceanexplorer.se as a source.

[cosmicalstorm]

I'll obviously apologize if this turns out to be nonsense. Maybe it's some weird marketing stunt for this company, I don't see how that would work?
It's all over the evening news here in Sweden so this isn't some fringe bunk.

comicalstorm picks his nose with as much prudence and diligence as his news sources. That's why all the screwdrivers are gone.

For fuck's sake, could we get a moratorium on this shit? It's getting boring.

Yeah man, Thoughtcrime detected!

[Edi]

No, it's not fringe shit, with experts from the Swedish National Defense Academy and other similar outfits confirming it. According to the head of that school, it seems to be something like a rescue sub. Like I said above, the find is legit.

However, you are still a fucking idiot for uncritically using bullshit sources, cosmicalstorm. It means that the first half of any discussion needs to be spent debunking the shit you drag in before moving on to the actual meat of the matter, or in this case actually bolstering up the original post because you have absolutely fucking zero credibility on your own.

[Metahive]

Yeah man, Thoughtcrime detected!

Posting stories using the most unreliable sources you could find to back them up regularly is not exactly a "thoughtcrime". That's just you failing to not be a shithead.

Also, still waiting for you to name your sources of why Europe will soon suffer from daily attacks by them evil muzzelim extremists. Although seeing you posting PEGIDA style xenophobic shit elsewhere already gives me enough of an idea so nix that request.

[Lord Revan]

comicalstorm picks his nose with as much prudence and diligence as his news sources. That's why all the screwdrivers are gone.

For fuck's sake, could we get a moratorium on this shit? It's getting boring.

Yeah man, Thoughtcrime detected!

cosmicalstorm, last time we had thread like this I mentioned the fable of the "Boy who cried 'Wolf!'", I did so for reason and you're now seeing that reason.

Metahive isn't asking for a moratorium because he thinks you're right and wants censor you, he's asking for it cause in 99% of the cases stuff you post ends up being misinterpided at best and out right fabrication at worst, because you don't research your sources at all.

You know this might come as a shock but relible sources are called that because you can rely (most of the time) for them to have factual info and not some random paranoid freak's manifesto.

Just because what you posted now happens to be correct as far we can tell, it doesn't mean your history of posting utter crap goes away.

Quite frankly pretty all of us are sick and tired of having check every single time if your posts have any merit or are they another paranoid manifesto not worth anything but quick glance over before ignoring it.

You are the cause of this not us, if you want to be taken seriously take hard look in the mirror and think "how can I improve my posting". Though I can give you hint first thing you should do is have some source critism, not all sources are equal after all, especially in the Internet.

[K. A. Pital]

A good tip: see the story reprinted in a major publication or a research article and link to it. Doesn't save one from the occasional fake, but most of the time at least the core events will be genuine, even if interpreted wrongly. Improving one's posting doesn't take much.

Then again, it's cosmicalstorm we are talking about...

[Irbis]

Remember last time someone in Sweden "found" Russian "submarine"?

Well, turns out the find is most likely as 'real' as last time. Though, this time it's at least something that could submerge. According to experts, it's Imperial Russian Navy's submersible boat Sum (Catfish), sank 99 years ago:

http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/expert- ... r-catfish/

Too bad, mil-ind complex won't get any orders out of this scare

[Welf]

Oh? Does that mean time-traveling Russian submarines attack western Europe? That is concerning.

[Lord Revan]

A good tip: see the story reprinted in a major publication or a research article and link to it. Doesn't save one from the occasional fake, but most of the time at least the core events will be genuine, even if interpreted wrongly. Improving one's posting doesn't take much.

Then again, it's cosmicalstorm we are talking about...

sure his history shows that he's not one that likes to assume fault in himself but who knows maybe we get thru to him this time and yes it doesn't take much but one must be willing to take that effort.

[Irbis]

After reading discussion on it on Russian forum - people claim to have cleaned video and deciphered the name of the ship reading "СОМЪ" (Sum'). Pretty much confirming Swedish military opinion. It is also confirmed by the fact it was lost on patrol near Swedish waters, close to what then was Russian shore, today in Finland.

The catch here? Idiots from Ocean X Team couldn't be bothered to spend 5 minutes on Wikipedia, where they would learn that 'prominent Cyrillic letter' (hard sign, not letter) on 'modern Russian submarine' was abandoned in spelling reform of 1918, following October Revolution. So, they got all three wrong at once

Or they are just attention whores like cosmicalstorm, as there are apparently posts of Ocean X members from year ago (time when the wreck was located during hunt for nonexistent Russian sub) on thread devoted to Sum's last mission so they probably knew what it was and just wrote sensationalist article for kicks and giggles.

Not that it isn't nice find, it's it's really Sum it's an example of very early US submarine (ex-USS Fulton) and as such can be nice tourist attraction.

[Thanas]

Remember last time someone in Sweden "found" Russian "submarine"?

Well, turns out the find is most likely as 'real' as last time. Though, this time it's at least something that could submerge. According to experts, it's Imperial Russian Navy's submersible boat Sum (Catfish), sank 99 years ago:

Hatch design looks pretty similar, but the Som was allegedly sunk in a collision and I didn't see anything major on there.

[Irbis]

*Shrug* It was built in 1901, long before age of all welded ships. If a riveted part was hit in collision, even weak strike would have buckled the plate and torn it open.

Name comparison on old photo and wreck seems to check out. Some older photos still as Fulton:

http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08462.htm

[cosmicalstorm]

Looks like it might be a museum object now. It's gonna be interesting to see.

(I have felt myself being gravitated down an ideological path that is different from the mainstream of this forum, it's tempting to simply stop posting here, but that would be a bit self-reinforcing so I'm going to continue despite coming into conflict with posters here. I don't wanna go further off topic here.)

[K. A. Pital]

The ideological path of someone who freaks out at nothing every day of the week? I am pretty sure that you will find yourself at conflict with most people outside forums for conspiracy nuts.

[Simon_Jester]

It's not about ideology, 'storm.

It's that you indulge in flights of fancy and alarmism. You predict disasters that do not happen. You embrace random blobs of pseudoscience. You do not check your facts, and you do not adhere to reasonable standards of debate like "actually listen to what people are saying, instead of just shrugging and saying 'time will tell who is right' when they disprove your position."

There is an art to being a rational human being. If you practiced this art you would merit more respect, even if your political opinions did not change. Conversely, even if you shared every one of my political opinions, if you continued to behave the way you behave now, I for one would not respect you just because you agreed with me.

[Lord Revan]

It's not about ideology, 'storm.

It's that you indulge in flights of fancy and alarmism. You predict disasters that do not happen. You embrace random blobs of pseudoscience. You do not check your facts, and you do not adhere to reasonable standards of debate like "actually listen to what people are saying, instead of just shrugging and saying 'time will tell who is right' when they disprove your position."

There is an art to being a rational human being. If you practiced this art you would merit more respect, even if your political opinions did not change. Conversely, even if you shared every one of my political opinions, if you continued to behave the way you behave now, I for one would not respect you just because you agreed with me.

This is exactly what I'm trying to beat you over the head for several threads now, I couldn't give a rat's arse about your political ideology but if you want to be taken seriously you have to stop posting random crap that just happens to agree with you like it was worth while news without any regards to its actual merits.

Even worse is that "time will show whose right!" crap you keep pulling, it shows that you're not even willing to defend the crap you found. IIRC correct the rules went something like "coversational opionions are not punished

[cosmicalstorm]

I'm going to try to be a bit more restrained in my posting here. It's interesting to read different sides of the story, reading about the death penalty for instance I find myself in agreement with both sides. Not arguing for the golden mean either.

Anyway this sub affair is getting weird, it's probably an old submarine, the owner of the company is a Russian citizen, it might be a conspiracy to shame Swedens defense, it might be a PR hoax to promote the company. Does not seem like a new submarine, which would have been most interesting.

[Simon_Jester]

Well, it's fine to read different sides of a story.

The point is that you have to use logic, avoid fallacious reasoning, and use common sense to avoid being tricked into believing a bunch of liars. Or trolls. Or babbling crazy people.

If you're not willing to show respect for logic, it's hard to have useful conversations with intelligent people, and intelligent people will quickly get frustrated with you. Stupid people will get frustrated too, but it takes longer and they won't be able to explain what the problem is.
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On the subject of the submarine, if anything an old submarine might be more interesting than a new one, because it's a historical artifact. A new submarine is only 'interesting' if one wants to think the Russians are scheming to attack Sweden. Whereas an old submarine is interesting because it may solve a hundred year old mystery, or tell us something about our past.