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By John Markoff for the New York Times wrote:Parachutist’s Record-Breaking Fall: 15 Minutes, Nearly 26 Miles
Alan Eustace Jumps From Stratosphere, Breaking Felix Baumgartner’s World Record

ROSWELL, N.M. — A well-known computer scientist parachuted from a balloon near the top of the stratosphere on Friday, falling faster than the speed of sound and breaking the world altitude record set just two years ago.

The jump was made by Alan Eustace, 57, a senior vice president of Google. At dawn he was lifted from an abandoned runway at the airport here by a balloon filled with 35,000 cubic feet of helium.

For a little over two hours, the balloon ascended at speeds up to 1,600 feet per minute to an altitude of more than 25 miles. Mr. Eustace dangled underneath in a specially designed spacesuit with an elaborate life-support system. He returned to earth just 15 minutes after starting his fall.

“It was amazing,” he said. “It was beautiful. You could see the darkness of space and you could see the layers of atmosphere, which I had never seen before.”

Mr. Eustace cut himself loose from the balloon with the aid of a small explosive device and plummeted toward the earth at speeds that peaked at 822 miles per hour, setting off a small sonic boom heard by observers on the ground.

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Alan Eustace, in suit, preparing for his ascent on Friday morning. Credit Volker D. Kern/PSDC

“It was a wild, wild ride,” he said. “I hugged on to the equipment module and tucked my legs and I held my heading.”

He did not feel or hear the boom as he passed the speed of sound, he said. He performed two slow backflips before a small parachute righted him.

His technical team had designed a carbon-fiber attachment that kept him from becoming entangled in the main parachute before it opened. About four-and-a-half minutes into his flight, he opened the main parachute and glided to a landing 70 miles from the launch site.

“To break an aviation record is incredibly significant,” said Mark Kelly, the former astronaut, who viewed Mr. Eustace’s ascent. “There is an incredible amount of risk. To do it safely is a testament to the people involved.”

Mr. Eustace’s maximum altitude was initially reported as 135,908 feet. Based on information from two data loggers, the final number being submitted to the World Air Sports Federation is 135,890 feet.

The previous altitude record was set by Austrian daredevil Felix Baumgartner, who jumped from 128,100 feet on Oct. 14, 2012.

Mr. Eustace was carried aloft without the aid of the sophisticated capsule used by Mr. Baumgartner or millions of dollars in sponsorship money. Instead, Mr. Eustace planned his jump in secrecy, working for almost three years with a small group of technologists skilled in spacesuit design, life-support systems, and parachute and balloon technology.

He carried modest GoPro cameras aloft, connected to his ground-control center by an off-the-shelf radio.

Although Mr. Baumgartner was widely known for death-defying feats, Mr. Eustace describes himself as an engineer first with a deep commitment to teamwork. He pilots his own Cessna twin-engine jet and has a reputation in Silicon Valley for thrill-seeking.

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Alan Eustace on his ascent to near the top of the stratosphere on Friday. Credit J. Martin Harris Photography/PSDC

“Alan is a risk-taker with a passion for details,” said Brian Reid, a computer network specialist who has worked with Mr. Eustace.

After he decided to pursue the project in 2011, Mr. Eustace was introduced to Taber MacCallum, one of the founding members of the Biosphere 2 project, an artificial closed ecosystem built to explore concepts such as space colonization. Mr. Eustace had decided to pursue a simpler approach than Mr. Baumgartner’s.

He asked Mr. MacCallum’s company, Paragon Space Development Corporation, to create a life-support system to make it possible for him to breathe pure oxygen in a pressure suit during his ascent and fall.

Mr. Eustace said Google had been willing to help with the project, but he declined company support, worried that his jump would become a marketing event.

James Hayhurst, director of competition at the United States Parachute Association, who verified the record, described the venture as “legitimate science.”

“I think they’re putting a little lookout tower at the edge of space that the common man can share,” he said.

Mr. Eustace said he gained a love of space and spaceflight while growing up in Orlando, Fla., during the 1960s and 1970s. His family crowded into a station wagon to watch every launch from Cape Canaveral (known as Cape Kennedy during some of that time). A veteran aircraft pilot and parachutist, he worked as a computer hardware designer at Digital Equipment Corporation for 15 years before moving to Google in 2002.

Mr. Eustace said that his technical team designed and redesigned many of the components of his parachute and life-support system during the three-year development phase. Many of the redesigns were the result of technical surprises.

For example, he discovered that in order to control his suit, he was required to make movements that were exactly the opposite of the control motions made by a conventional parachutist. Left movements must be made for rightward motion, for instance, and upward movements for downward motion.

The stratosphere becomes warmer at higher elevations, and the suit designers had to figure out how to keep Mr. Eustace sufficiently cool at the top of the stratosphere, because there is no atmosphere to remove the heat. His suit did not have a cooling system, so it was necessary to make elaborate design modifications to keep dry air in his helmet so that his face plate did not fog.

In order to keep from overheating, Mr. Eustace kept his motions to a minimum during his ascent, including avoiding moving his arm to toggle a radio microphone. Instead, he responded to ground controllers watching him from a camera rigged above his suit by slightly moving one leg to acknowledge their communications.
Correction: October 24, 2014

An earlier version of this article misstated the relationship of temperature to elevation in the stratosphere. In the upper layers of the stratosphere, temperatures increase with altitude, not decrease.

Cool. I got to meet Col. Kittinger (humble man who admitted that eating mexican the night before the jump was a bad idea) earlier this year and to think that his record has been topped again is awesome.
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I'm sorry, but I can't help but think this is a terrible waste of resources. That is not to say that I'm surprised by this sort of stunt. When a small number of people own a truly hideously outweighed proportion of the worlds wealth and in general believe in their own moral/ethical superiority/righteousness it is to be expected (this and the drive to own yet more wealth).
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I fail to see the point here too.
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I think the point, in so far as their is one, might simply be to show what we can do from space/the edge of space. The more people see and want to do these things the faster we'll see a rush to get people up their cheaper and more often. This could have some slight effect on space tourism if we see companies willing to provide this experience for a paying customer rather than a wealth private interest doing all the work for himself.
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Exploring space is one thing. Jumping from the stratosphere... not so much. A stratosphere habitat with a permanent exploration crew is essentially an inferior solution to a proper space station, and besides we have tons of them in the form of bombers and (upon retirement) flying laboratories.
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Stas Bush wrote:Exploring space is one thing. Jumping from the stratosphere... not so much. A stratosphere habitat with a permanent exploration crew is essentially an inferior solution to a proper space station, and besides we have tons of them in the form of bombers and (upon retirement) flying laboratories.
I'm picturing it as the extreme way of coming home from a space holiday and a potential draw to a particular space resort.
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Nova Andromeda wrote:I'm sorry, but I can't help but think this is a terrible waste of resources. That is not to say that I'm surprised by this sort of stunt. When a small number of people own a truly hideously outweighed proportion of the worlds wealth and in general believe in their own moral/ethical superiority/righteousness it is to be expected (this and the drive to own yet more wealth).
Random feats of "I did this because it's physically possible" are on par with, say, sending teams to explore remote mountains. Climbing a previously unclimbed mountain is unlikely to add much to the human store of knowledge, but we do it anyway, because resources are not so scarce that we have to be parsimonious like that.

Is it a major historic feat? No. Is it somehow unacceptable or unworthy? I would argue, also no.

"Because it's there" is a time-honored argument for going places and doing things, at least as a one-off.
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I got to admit, my first reaction was "So that's 35,000 cubic feet of helium that we won't be seeing again".
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Simon_Jester wrote:
Nova Andromeda wrote:I'm sorry, but I can't help but think this is a terrible waste of resources. That is not to say that I'm surprised by this sort of stunt. When a small number of people own a truly hideously outweighed proportion of the worlds wealth and in general believe in their own moral/ethical superiority/righteousness it is to be expected (this and the drive to own yet more wealth).
Random feats of "I did this because it's physically possible" are on par with, say, sending teams to explore remote mountains. Climbing a previously unclimbed mountain is unlikely to add much to the human store of knowledge, but we do it anyway, because resources are not so scarce that we have to be parsimonious like that.

Is it a major historic feat? No. Is it somehow unacceptable or unworthy? I would argue, also no.

"Because it's there" is a time-honored argument for going places and doing things, at least as a one-off.
I'll agree with you as soon as the wealth distribution isn't so hilariously lopsided. Until then, I lump this stunt into the 'uber rich person bought a really big mansion that servers little to no purpose while the lower and middle class and economy in general are starved' category.
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Jub wrote:I think the point, in so far as their is one, might simply be to show what we can do from space/the edge of space.
Except it's not. It's not even close to the edge of space. He's on the edge of the Stratosphere, yes? 40 kilometres or so up. The entire mesosphere is between him and space. The Karman line is 100 kilometres up, he isn't even halfway there. This is a huge waste of money for literally nothing but this guy waving his high altitude dick in baumgartner's face.
Baumgartner proved the survivability of high altitude jumps and... that's about it. And even that is a less than useful piece of information. Oh, lets see, when did we learn we could return a person from extremely high altitudes, well, I'd guess it was around the time the X-15 flew. Oh wait, by parachute? Vostok 1, 1961. Hell, Gagarin didn't even stay in his vehicle the whole way down.
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Baumgartner also proved that you needed a drogue chute or similar device to remain stable at such high altitudes. He is a very skilled jumper at conventional heights and simply could not hold himself stable with so little atmosphere.

The US Air Force had some involvement in Baumgartner's attempt, including the loan of some training facilities, because both the USAF and NASA have some interest the feasibility of such a jump and possible applications to very high altitude emergency bail-outs.

Oh, and it was Kittinger who proved such a jump was survivable. Baumgartner proved the first time wasn't just luck.

I don't know if this current attempt has any use beyond "I did it".

I am a little surprised the record was surpassed again so soon.
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People climbed mountains because it is there. The skepticism here is astounding. At least this is way better use of wealth than building a mansion in Dubai. Supersonic cars, personal jetpacks or even early gliders (before powered flight) were seemingly worthless. Many things will remain useless but advancing engineering is always a laudable goal. The ZOMG THINK OF THE STARVING CHILDREN arguement is incredibly stupid.
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What would really make headlines is if it was a jump from actual Earth orbit.
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Doesn't that kind of presume you're actually orbiting and have an atmosphere to actually break through? You'd need a lot more than the equipment he had. Like...something resembling a ship.
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Broomstick wrote:I don't know if this current attempt has any use beyond "I did it".
So the next guy can go even higher.
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Gaidin wrote:Doesn't that kind of presume you're actually orbiting and have an atmosphere to actually break through? You'd need a lot more than the equipment he had. Like...something resembling a ship.
One would hope so. But given the increasing number of commercial flights, it's only a matter of time before someone decides to strap himself to a heat shield and see what happens.
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Borgholio wrote: One would hope so. But given the increasing number of commercial flights, it's only a matter of time before someone decides to strap himself to a heat shield and see what happens.
Involves burning to ash. Unless they have one seriously imaginative entry suit. Just saying. :lol:
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Gaidin wrote: Involves burning to ash. Unless they have one seriously imaginative entry suit. Just saying. :lol:
They did/do. Bail out from orbit was the original point of the 1960 jump from 103,000ft. Proving the parachute deployment part of bail out from orbit, which was actually seen as riskier then the heat shielded part.
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Nova Andromeda wrote:I'll agree with you as soon as the wealth distribution isn't so hilariously lopsided. Until then, I lump this stunt into the 'uber rich person bought a really big mansion that servers little to no purpose while the lower and middle class and economy in general are starved' category.
Well at least it closed the gap between the rich and the poor an tiny bit and created some jobs. If all the rich would burn through their money instead of amassing it and giving it to the next generation the world would be more equal.
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If the rich burned their money on playthings, that could function as an actual working form of the Trickle Down Effect. Unlike the bullshit version touted by Conservatives, the rich spending their money would go to the working people who designed and built their toys or supported their outlandish adventures. Buy a yacht? A hundred people are employed for months. Go to space? Countless engineers are employed to design and build the thing, and a good number of factory workers are employed to actually manufacture the parts.

So if the rich want to spend their money, I say let them.
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