loomer wrote: ↑2019-10-07 05:31am
Whoah, look at the big man in a uniform. Shut the fuck up with your histrionics.
You think me insulting you is me flaunting my uniform? LMAO, you should audition for drama theater. How about this. Don't expect people to be civil with you when you start throwing insults their way, got it? Prick. Also, when someone insults you they probably aren't bringing their career into it. They probably just think you are an asshole.
Trust is an integral component of why people spout off about ACAB (protip: If we trusted the cops, we probably wouldn't think they're all bastards!), and literally anyone with two brain cells to rub together can figure that out.
Like I said in the edit, which I understand you did not read, not trusting the police is a logical position to hold but we aren't talking about that. You understand that the word bastard has a meaning right? Do you understand that when you say something like "No good cops" you are making an absolute declaration?
I'm not stalling, either - I'm asking you to explain an epistemic position you've adopted and advanced so I can know how to explain the arguments to you, which again is something someone with two brain cells could figure out. I can make either purely logical arguments or logical and emotional ones against policing from an anarchist perspective, but since the former is incomplete and the latter is preferable, I'd like you to explain why we should magically exclude the issue of trust as 'emotional'.
It looks like you're stalling. I've asked anyone in this thread to justify the position that there are no good cops or all cops are bastards because without logical argument back by evidence it is just self gratification. I never asked anyone to justify why they don't trust the police and is not self gratification. That's just being smart. That is fairly easy to do and the fact that you reduced what I am asking into something so fucking simple is what makes you a coward.
You don't feel emotional arguments are acceptable reasons not to trust the police - why? How about you stop stalling, you damn coward, and justify your position.
Not talking about trust. I'm talking about holding an absolute position on a group of nearly a million people. Here's an example. Many politicians in the United States, and the world, have shown themselves to be entirely self serving. That doesn't mean, nor make it OK, for me to declare them all self serving without examining their personal record. It is self gratifying to do so but ultimately inaccurate.
Hell, using your reasoning here I could say "All Humans Are Bastards" but that wouldn't be true at all. Would it?
Or are you too used to swaggering around with a badge and a gun to feel like you actually have to justify your epistemic premises when a mere pleb asks?
We're arguing on SDN, son. We aren't in a police / citizen relationship. My badge, uniform, the gun, authority given to me by the state, and my shiny parker pens (no mustache though so you're lucky) have zero power here and you pretending like my attitude towards you has something to do with that and not the fact that you decided to insult me is just being dishonest or fucking clueless.
If you wish to return to a civil discussion I will gladly accept your apology and offer you mine. But regardless drop the "he's a bully cop" nonsense. It is probably one of the most pathetic things I've seen on this board and I don't like seeing you shamed.
Gandalf wrote: ↑2019-10-07 06:08am
That's new, considering that your initial complaint was just that people don't "back up their assertion." When I came along with something that would lead people to have that position (a minority view of abuses of power combined with systemic inability/unwillingness to address them), you dismissed it because it was "an emotional argument."
You backed up a position of why people don't trust the police but that's not what I asked for. To be clear the reasons you listed are a logical evidence backed reason to not trust the police. The emotion comes in to it when that expands into things like "All cops are bastards" or "No such thing as a good cop". That's the emotional argument I was talking about.
Another way to think about this is from the other side of the political spectrum. Many right wing Americans reacted in a similar way after 9/11. Some started viewing all Muslims as terrorists. They made an absolute declaration about an entire group of people just like the ACAB people do.
loomer wrote: ↑2019-10-07 06:09am
Isn't it funny how the cop seems to feel he has a right to arbitrarily insert new terms of engagement as and when he pleases and determine 'the subject of discussion' unilaterally, without needing to justify it?
I'm restating what I requested. It is you, and Gandalf, that have altered the discussion.
By the way...will both you and Gandalf tell me your careers so I can declare this a "insert your career" thing. Serious question. Are you like this because you personally had a bad experience with the police?