FireNexus wrote:I don't disagree, but frankly if you're talking about the necessity of violence to prevent NKorean nuclear expansion prior to regime collapse, we don't have time to wait for Trump to leave. Barring an incredible stroke of luck, he's there for four years. With only mild and totally foreseeable bad luck, he's there for eight. North Korea will definitely be a full-fledged regional nuclear power in eight years, and possibly in four.
I don't know that war is necessary, and I suspect that North Korea will fall apart on their own if Russia just stops backing them, but if you take the premise that a war before they manage to become fully nuclear and that they won't collapse before that as a given, we have the cards we were dealt and that means Trump.
Hopefully it doesn't come to war and Kim is deposed and the North Koreans become happy and productive people with high standards of living and higher levels of education. I'm not as optimistic as I once was, though. And I expect this thread to be renamed "General Korean War Thread" by Monday.
The thing is... if we have a major foreign war, and Trump manages to not completely botch it (and we better hope he doesn't botch it), then he most likely goes down in history as a hero and a "strong leader", meaning that the Alt. Right gains further legitimacy as a respectable mainstream political ideology, Trump most likely wins a second term handily (barring unequivocal evidence that he committed treason, or something comparable) and the capital to push more authoritarian policies, and our Constitution faces an existential threat.
That might very well be worse
for the United States, in the long-run, than a fully-fledged nuclear North Korea. And given the disproportionate power of the United States, it might very well be worse for the entire world.
This situation is a shit sandwich any way you look at it.
Edit: And the Democrats will be in the position of having to either support the war or appear unpatriotic. The former will cost them votes with progressives, the latter with Centrists.
It may seem tasteless to view the prospects of a renewed Korean War in such political terms, but it is an issue. Because the walking corruption scandal that is Donald Trump is not going to stop being a threat to our civil liberties any time soon.
"Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes" When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics." When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty -- to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy." - Lincoln.