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Re: General North Korea thread

Postby Borgholio » 2016-07-29 08:05am

And when have they not been on a "war footing" for the past half century? [/sarcasm]


Yeah, we apparently declare war on them every few months and they promise vicious retaliation each and every time. Still waiting.

Truth be told, the day that NK actually has a reasonable response to something is the day I start to worry.
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Re: General North Korea thread

Postby EnterpriseSovereign » 2016-07-29 08:19pm

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And when have they not been on a "war footing" for the past half century? [/sarcasm]


Yeah, we apparently declare war on them every few months and they promise vicious retaliation each and every time. Still waiting.

Truth be told, the day that NK actually has a reasonable response to something is the day I start to worry.

It wouldn't be NK if they weren't throwing their toys out of the pram every now and then.
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Re: General North Korea thread

Postby Broomstick » 2016-09-08 08:22pm

There are reports that North Korea has now banned sarcasm, of all things, including the phrase "this is all America's fault". So far reported in the Independent, Telegraph, and Fox News.
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Re: General North Korea thread

Postby Isolder74 » 2016-09-08 09:38pm

So the North Korean leaders have basically banned their favorite means of expression. This could get interesting.
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Re: General North Korea thread

Postby Borgholio » 2016-09-09 08:15am

And it looks like NK has detonated another nuke. This appears to be the biggest one they've done yet and is close to the yield of the Hiroshima bomb.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/08/asia/north-korea-seismic-activity/
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Re: General North Korea thread

Postby Raw Shark » 2016-09-09 01:25pm

Borgholio wrote:And it looks like NK has detonated another nuke. This appears to be the biggest one they've done yet and is close to the yield of the Hiroshima bomb.


Prediction: Pretty soon, China quietly gets out of the way while Japan, South Korea, and America Fuck Yeah take care of business. We might even tag-team the Russians on this one, though I'd call it a 50/50 chance that they just think it's funny. I'm not wearing a watch, but it's getting to be about that time.

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Re: General North Korea thread

Postby SCRawl » 2016-09-09 01:53pm

What do you do about the artillery just north of the DMZ, though? My understanding is that NK could devastate the communities on the southern side in the event of an invasion (or other hostile acts).
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Re: General North Korea thread

Postby Raw Shark » 2016-09-09 02:03pm

SCRawl wrote:What do you do about the artillery just north of the DMZ, though? My understanding is that NK could devastate the communities on the southern side in the event of an invasion (or other hostile acts).


Last I heard, you park about 20,000 Marines there for training purposes and just kind of shrug your shoulders about what happens after that.

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Re: General North Korea thread

Postby Broomstick » 2016-09-09 04:29pm

SCRawl wrote:What do you do about the artillery just north of the DMZ, though? My understanding is that NK could devastate the communities on the southern side in the event of an invasion (or other hostile acts).

We're getting to a point where we either risk a massive artillery barrage on South Korea or an honest-to-god nuke dropping somewhere else. I don't really have a good answer for that dilemma.
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Re: General North Korea thread

Postby Ziggy Stardust » 2016-09-09 04:44pm

Not that the North Koreans couldn't do a decent amount of damage simply through quantity, but IIRC isn't NK's artillery a much bigger threat on paper than in reality? Even besides the fact that their equipment is old, I feel like there is a decent amount of evidence (blanking on where I read it; will provide source if I find it) floating around out there that a lot of it would be operationally non-functional due to lack of maintenance/supplies/ammunition/etc.

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Re: General North Korea thread

Postby Jub » 2016-09-09 04:46pm

Broomstick wrote:We're getting to a point where we either risk a massive artillery barrage on South Korea or an honest-to-god nuke dropping somewhere else. I don't really have a good answer for that dilemma.


I think that the optimal time to act may have passed. Realistically the regime should have been removed a long time ago, even if it meant significant concessions to China. Now we rapidly approach a situation where every answer, including let things stay as they are, are losing propositions.

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Re: General North Korea thread

Postby Raw Shark » 2016-09-09 05:45pm

Yeah, this is going to be a total clusterfuck, sooner or later. I hope we manage to evacuate Seoul first.

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Re: General North Korea thread

Postby Broomstick » 2016-09-09 08:04pm

Ziggy Stardust wrote:Not that the North Koreans couldn't do a decent amount of damage simply through quantity, but IIRC isn't NK's artillery a much bigger threat on paper than in reality? Even besides the fact that their equipment is old, I feel like there is a decent amount of evidence (blanking on where I read it; will provide source if I find it) floating around out there that a lot of it would be operationally non-functional due to lack of maintenance/supplies/ammunition/etc.

It doesn't need all of it to function to still cause a fuck-ton of damage.

Raw Shark wrote:Yeah, this is going to be a total clusterfuck, sooner or later. I hope we manage to evacuate Seoul first.

I don't see how we could evacuate even half of that city. Even if we could get, oh, let's say 90% out of the city you'd be left with millions of refugees and wrecked South Korean economy.
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Re: General North Korea thread

Postby Iroscato » 2016-09-09 09:55pm

I'm just really, really hoping The Fat One and co's sense of self-preservation continues to outwiegh their fuck-nuttery.
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Re: General North Korea thread

Postby EnterpriseSovereign » 2016-09-11 07:41pm

Chimaera wrote:I'm just really, really hoping The Fat One and co's sense of self-preservation continues to outwiegh their fuck-nuttery.

I wouldn't count on it, given how delusional their behaviour has always been.

As for Seoul, NK has it by the balls. Any evac will trigger an artillery barrage, unless SK has some way to do it under complete secrecy. Artillery shelters (if they exist) may protect the population, but it still leaves infrastructure hopelessly exposed. Unless tactical lasers have come a long, long way there's no way to shoot down even a fraction of the total number of incoming shells.

Unless NK's guns are clustered really, really close together there's no way for any strike to take them all out at once- unless SK has their own guns trained on the NK's positions.
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Re: General North Korea thread

Postby Lagmonster » 2016-09-13 11:47am

I'd rather nobody attack anybody, but I kind of wish I could cast Summon Sea Skimmer and get an opinion on how likely the West's ability to neutralize the NK artillery in a first (non-nuclear) strike is. I was under the impression that they might not have the ability to even detect some of the stuff we could throw at them, let alone retaliate.

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Re: General North Korea thread

Postby Broomstick » 2016-09-13 12:34pm

The several problems with a pre-emptive action on NK artillery, leaving aside any nuke option that may or may not be available, include that we may not know all of the locations of the artillery, given the Norks bury a lot of stuff and are continually putting in new tunnels and installations even as old ones are being found; and it's unlikely we'd get every installation and even a few getting successful shots off will make a horrible mess of Seoul. At what point do you take an action, which MIGHT prevent some horrific death toll or war, at the near-certain cost of thousands (or tens of thousands) of lives?
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Re: General North Korea thread

Postby Raw Shark » 2016-09-13 02:11pm

Yeah, they've had over half a century to prepare for this shit. If we actually have to do it, it'll be like a knife fight: nobody really wins.

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Postby Elheru Aran » 2016-09-14 10:56am

Raw Shark wrote:Yeah, they've had over half a century to prepare for this shit. If we actually have to do it, it'll be like a knife fight: nobody really wins.


But, hopefully, both fighters are still mostly alive at the end of the fight, or the better one's still standing, anyway. The question being whether he keels over from blood loss within the next few days or not... whatever happens whenever it happens between the two Koreas, it's going to be a mess, barring something like a complete collapse of the Nork governing clique, a coup by the military who then immediately turn things over to China or South Korea, something like that.
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Re: General North Korea thread

Postby EnterpriseSovereign » 2016-09-16 09:12am

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Raw Shark wrote:Yeah, they've had over half a century to prepare for this shit. If we actually have to do it, it'll be like a knife fight: nobody really wins.


But, hopefully, both fighters are still mostly alive at the end of the fight, or the better one's still standing, anyway. The question being whether he keels over from blood loss within the next few days or not... whatever happens whenever it happens between the two Koreas, it's going to be a mess, barring something like a complete collapse of the Nork governing clique, a coup by the military who then immediately turn things over to China or South Korea, something like that.

I get the impression that China would be better prepared to accept that kind of burden, as long as they install someone who isn't batshit crazy.

Of course, from a Western POV, SK would be the better choice to drag the norks into the 21st century. Whether SK would be prepared to accept this by themselves is questionable- does NK have any natural resources worth exploiting? I can imagine that if the West does end up in control it may fall to a coalition of SK and Japan- how that might work out in the long run is anybody's guess.
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Postby K. A. Pital » 2016-09-16 09:14am

Sooner the sun shall set in the East than South Korea or China work together with Japan (and much less Abe Japan) on a possible occupation of another part of Korea.

That... is pretty much a sure thing, and a "coalition of Japan and South Korea" can only exist in the minds of the unaware.
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Re: General North Korea thread

Postby EnterpriseSovereign » 2016-09-16 02:01pm

Hence why I added the part about how that might work out. And coalitions in general have a pretty poor record in regards to what to do with a country after taking it over if recent examples are any indication :?
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Re: General North Korea thread

Postby Broomstick » 2016-09-16 03:33pm

EnterpriseSovereign wrote:Of course, from a Western POV, SK would be the better choice to drag the norks into the 21st century. Whether SK would be prepared to accept this by themselves is questionable- does NK have any natural resources worth exploiting?

Reunifying Korea will not end as happily and reunifying Germany did, and Germany, for all the good will in the world, still had some bumps in the road on that one.

Of course North Korea has resources. It's about 70 percent forest by land area last I heard. Harvesting might be an issue, as most of the forests are on steep slopes. There are considerable mineral deposits, including some valuable rare earths. They have an educated population with literacy nearly universal and a willingness to work hard instilled from a young age.

Of course, their infrastructure sucks, being at best 1950's and much of it advancing backwards into the 19th Century, but that is fixable if you had sane governance.
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Re: General North Korea thread

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Now for some levity

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2016/11/1 ... ong-un-fat

November 16, 2016
North Korea asks China to stop calling Kim Jong-un fat

TBA
North Korea has reportedly made an official request to state officials in China pleading with them to stop referring to Kim Jong-un as fat.

Kim Fatty III is a popular nickname for the North Korean leader in neighbouring China.

Other popular nicknames include Jin Pang Pang (Kim Fat Fatty) and Jin San Fei (Kim Abundant III).

North Korean government officials are terrified the leader will find out about the insults and look for someone to blame, according to Hong Kong's Apple Daily.

It comes as no surprise that North Korean officials fear the wrath of their dictator, with many who have fallen foul of Kim Jong-un finding themselves on the opposite end of a military firing line.

Kim Jong-un is believed to have piled on 38kg in recent years due to his love of Swiss cheese, whiskey and scallops, according to The Sun.

© Nine Digital Pty Ltd 2016

According to some Chinese netizens, a lot of these humourous names are used for world leaders. So Kim getting this treatment is no different. Although they aren't used for official correspondence.
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Re: General North Korea thread

Postby EnterpriseSovereign » 2016-11-16 01:11pm

mr friendly guy wrote:Now for some levity

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2016/11/1 ... ong-un-fat

November 16, 2016
North Korea asks China to stop calling Kim Jong-un fat

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North Korea has reportedly made an official request to state officials in China pleading with them to stop referring to Kim Jong-un as fat.

Kim Fatty III is a popular nickname for the North Korean leader in neighbouring China.

Other popular nicknames include Jin Pang Pang (Kim Fat Fatty) and Jin San Fei (Kim Abundant III).

North Korean government officials are terrified the leader will find out about the insults and look for someone to blame, according to Hong Kong's Apple Daily.

It comes as no surprise that North Korean officials fear the wrath of their dictator, with many who have fallen foul of Kim Jong-un finding themselves on the opposite end of a military firing line.

Kim Jong-un is believed to have piled on 38kg in recent years due to his love of Swiss cheese, whiskey and scallops, according to The Sun.

© Nine Digital Pty Ltd 2016

According to some Chinese netizens, a lot of these humourous names are used for world leaders. So Kim getting this treatment is no different. Although they aren't used for official correspondence.

If he doesn't want people to call him fat he should just lose some weight. Maybe if he didn't eat all the food the rest of the country wouldn't be starving :lol:
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