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‘Hitler wasn’t all bad’, 42% of Austrians say

Over 40 per cent of Austrians believe the Hitler era wasn’t ‘all bad’, according to the latest poll conducted by the Linz Market Institute.

The survey was carried out ahead of the 75th anniversary of the country’s annexation by the Nazi Germany, the Anschluss, and included 502 people.

Fifty-seven per cent of respondents believed that "there was nothing positive about the Hitler era".

However, 61 per cent of respondents indicated that they wanted a "strong leader" at the head of Austria.

That was in fact more than in previous polls, the newspaper Der Standard reported. A similar survey in 2008 found just a fifth of Austrians could imagine having "a strong leader who does not have to worry about a parliament or elections."

Also, 54 per cent – most of them young and well-educated - were of the opinion that if there was no legislation prohibiting the neo-Nazi parties, they would succeed in elections.

Older participants in the survey strictly opposed the idea, which, according to historians, is logical.

"It's a normal process that topics are no longer considered hot after two or three generations," Oliver Rathkolb at the University of Vienna told Der Standard.

Finally, 61 per cent indicated that they thought the country’s Nazi past had been adequately dealt with, while 39 per cent disagreed with that statement.

The opinions remain similarly divided when it comes to the compensation of Nazi victims. 57 per cent of respondents thought that "the victims of this injustice or their descendants have been adequately compensated", whereas 42 per cent believed that wasn’t the case.

On March 12, 1938, Hitler’s troops entered Austria, and were welcomed by many who supported his ideology at the time. In the latest poll, 53 per cent thought the Anschluss was voluntary and 46 per cent saw Austria as a victim of the unification.

As for the present political situation in the country, right-wing nationalist parties have often triumphed in Austria, even since World War II. In January, the leader of Vienna’s Jewish Community said the number of anti-Semitic incidents reported to his office had doubled in the previous year.

The Simon Wiesenthal Center regularly grades Austria among its lowest-scoring countries in terms of prosecuting Nazi war criminals.
Random site link, but the poll results are all over the news centres, if anyone wants to crosscheck. Anyway, not very surprising (albeit that fact that almost 2/3 want some sort of Führer is) given it's the country that elected member of ethnic cleansing unit who lied about his war service for president, then acted all offended EU didn't liked another of their 'strong men', Jörg Haider, trying to rehash dictatorship ideas.

Frankly, what I think more sad than that is, that 60% of the people think Nazi past had been dealt with, when their country treated all sorts of was criminals far lighter than Germany, and that they compensated the victims when they went nowhere near German apologies or victim reparation payments. IIRC, highest ranking unapologetic Nazi war criminal still alive is Austrian, in fact.
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These polls are often asked in the wrong manner to make the results seem a lot more misleading than they were. If you asked somebody "was everything Hitler did bad?" then he probably would be right to say no.

That being said, Austria really does have a problem dealing with the shared past.
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502 people out of 8 million odd doesn't sound like all that authoritive of a survey. Though its certainly a dramatic story.

Got to agree with Thanas, asking if Hitler is 'all bad' isn't a great question and in the strictest sense he wasn't. It doesn't excuse the bad things he did.

Even in that survey though. Most people are coming down against Hitler and the Nazis.
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Hitler is responsible for the Autobahns. Those certainly aren't bad.

Misleading poll is misleading.
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Alyeska wrote:Hitler is responsible for the Autobahns. Those certainly aren't bad.

Misleading poll is misleading.
Isn´t that a myth? As far as i know plans that had even been partially realized existed some time before Hitler.
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salm wrote:
Alyeska wrote:Hitler is responsible for the Autobahns. Those certainly aren't bad.

Misleading poll is misleading.
Isn´t that a myth? As far as i know plans that had even been partially realized existed some time before Hitler.
It's a myth, the planning already started in the 20s.
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Tribun wrote:
salm wrote:
Alyeska wrote:Hitler is responsible for the Autobahns. Those certainly aren't bad.

Misleading poll is misleading.
Isn´t that a myth? As far as i know plans that had even been partially realized existed some time before Hitler.
It's a myth, the planning already started in the 20s.
The factual accuracy of Alyeska statement is actually irrelevant, though. Just the post proved how the poll could be justified to answer a no in the mids of responders.
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A yes/no answer to a question is typically a fallacy in and of itself.
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Also a "strong leader" could mean anything from Hitler to a Habsburg restoration to electing Arnold Schwarzenegger as Chancellor, so while it may be a disturbing statement in general to hear from a European country, it might also be totally irrelevant to the nation's support for Nazism.
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Tribun wrote:
salm wrote:
Alyeska wrote:Hitler is responsible for the Autobahns. Those certainly aren't bad.

Misleading poll is misleading.
Isn´t that a myth? As far as i know plans that had even been partially realized existed some time before Hitler.
It's a myth, the planning already started in the 20s.
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All the money Hitler spent for the early autobahns and other 'job creation' programs had also already been allotted by the previous government. He just took office in time to be around to see it spent.
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If the US had numbers like this wouldn't we be furiousely mocking them and making Nazi Germany comparisons?
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Crazedwraith wrote:502 people out of 8 million odd doesn't sound like all that authoritive of a survey. Though its certainly a dramatic story.
Statistics don't work that way. Minimum sample size for a meaningful observation is dependent on the method of analysis and how much error you are willing to accept, not population size (which is often unknown). As long as the sample was representative and the survey properly constructed, there shouldn't be any problem with a sample of 500. Without knowing what the survey actually asked or what their sampling method was, it's hard to actually make a judgment about the quality of the survey results.

May I inquire as to what sort of organization the Linz Market Institute is? Do they have a known agenda or bias?
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Google brings up absolutely nothing about them except in reference to this supposed poll (and one link to something about marketing), which leads me to believe it's probably a hoax.
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On the autobahn.
From my understanding they couldn't get shit done until the 30's and once Hitler decided it would be swell to have them.
Without his interest they probably wouldn't have gotten any further than they already had.
It's even more telling that his influence made them happen since they didn't have much in the way of military value. I mean wasn't it all just a jobs creation and PR move for the most part? That seems to happen because of Hitler and nobody else.
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Germany should invade Austria. :evil:
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B5B7 wrote:Germany should invade Austria. :evil:
And Greece and France and Hungary... :wink:
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Havok wrote:On the autobahn.
From my understanding they couldn't get shit done until the 30's and once Hitler decided it would be swell to have them.
Actually, they did get stuff done. The first large autobahn was already finished and in use by 1932, other projects had started or were in the final planning phase.
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Panzersharkcat wrote:Google brings up absolutely nothing about them except in reference to this supposed poll (and one link to something about marketing), which leads me to believe it's probably a hoax.
https://www.google.com/search?q=linz+ma ... e&ie=UTF-8
The "one link about marketing," is that this one?
http://www.market.at/

That's them - they do all sorts of marketing research and opinion polling.

I can't find this particular poll in their archive, but that doesn't mean much.
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Ok, I did some research. Neither market, nor "Der Standard", the newspaper who ordered the poll, are publishing the data.

I found an article about it in "Der Standard" (german)

What they published was the following:

54% think it might be possible that Nazis still have electoral support in Austria, especially young and educated people share that fear.
About the prohibition of everything Nazi-related: 37% think it's not going far enough, 50% think it's ok as is and 13% think it's too restrictive.
61% want a strong man in charge of Austria (which is a joke question - who wants a pushover in charge?)
On the question: Social benefits provided by the state should be for citizens, only, 57% were in favor, and 42% used the option "That would be narrow-minded, radical and embarrassing" (Quote from the article, so I think that poll was quite loaded in it's wording...)
42% "Not everything was bad under Hitler" - 57% "Nothing good, at all, under Hitler."
53% think th e"anschluss" was voluntary, 46% see Austra as a victim.
"There had been massive riots, back then, especially against jewish people, in Austria. If you think of modern Europe, would that be possible?" 12% impossible, 32% rather not, 39% possible, 17% very much possible.
61% think we dealed adequatelywith the past, 39% disagree.
On compensation for victims, 57% believe it has been don correctly, 42% disagree.
"Should Austria have faught back against the "Anschluss?" 15% think a war would have made sense, 42 % think it would only made things worse for Austria, and 43% say it wouldn't have mattered.
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LaCroix wrote:61% want a strong man in charge of Austria (which is a joke question - who wants a pushover in charge?)
pretty narrow-minded. how about a "senate" or some other form of non-single-concentration of power? or how about delegative democracy?
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Hamstray wrote:
LaCroix wrote:61% want a strong man in charge of Austria (which is a joke question - who wants a pushover in charge?)
pretty narrow-minded. how about a "senate" or some other form of non-single-concentration of power? or how about delegative democracy?
Well, there has to be a spokesperson, right? Like, a Chancellor, a President... Like in every Nation of this Planet... And each and every country tries to put a "strong man/ woman" in charge.
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So, no Austrians marching around with arms outstretched. Am I bad for thinking this is an exercise in sensationalist journalism?
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It's "Der Standard", the far-left "educated elite" newspaper of Austria. (which even has a "female" and a "multicultural" version of their website...) Reporting on national socialism. With data from a poll they had paid for, has (in my opinion) a pretty slanted wording, and was not published, only referenced by the paper. Your decision...
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LaCroix wrote:Well, there has to be a spokesperson, right? Like, a Chancellor, a President... Like in every Nation of this Planet...
classic argumentum ad populum
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